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Gonna be honest, by having Andor wind into Rogue One immediately it pretty much kills off any interest I have for ever watching it. I don't like that movie; most of the characters in it were boring or annoying, it felt like an unfocused film due to how rapidly they hop planets and jump about, and I actually really hate the Tantive IV scene they added, alongside Zombie Peter Cushing. It was the reason I held off on Last Jedi, and thank fuck for that.

Also by bragging about how the leaders of the Rebel Alliance are figure heads, you now can see that RatCo making the new republic weak aspect oozing in if you squint correctly. So it makes coping by ignoring and trying to slot it in away from RatCo just that little bit harder.
 
Gonna be honest, by having Andor wind into Rogue One immediately it pretty much kills off any interest I have for ever watching it. I don't like that movie; most of the characters in it were boring or annoying, it felt like an unfocused film due to how rapidly they hop planets and jump about, and I actually really hate the Tantive IV scene they added, alongside Zombie Peter Cushing. It was the reason I held off on Last Jedi, and thank fuck for that.

Zombie Peter Cushing was so bad; it was like they inserted a Polar Express character randomly into the movie, with a thousand times more stomach churning uncanny valley. They should have just hired a look alike or hired a stand-in/only filmed shots of his character from a distance/from the back.

Even if it was canon, the Senate doesn't even know about it, so they naturally won't believe the Death Star exists.

I'm pretty sure in Legends the Rebellion knew the Emperor/Navy high command had a desire to build planet-busting weapons; however not the Death Star specifically.

& I do believe Legends Senator Bail Organa had a hunch about the Maw Facility (or at least the Empire funding a secret skunksworks weapons facility). In Legends, weren't quite a few of Tarkin's engineers/employees at the Maw facility former Alderanian defense industry folks, pissed at Organa for banning Alderanian weapon manufacturing & seizing (and weirdly sending hurtling into deep space on a freighter) all their businesses' weapons? Although I suspect the pissed off Alderanian scientists were only inserted into Legends to make the Death Star blowing up Alderaan have some form of dramatic irony.
 
I'm pretty sure in Legends the Rebellion knew the Emperor/Navy high command had a desire to build planet-busting weapons; however not the Death Star specifically.
In the actual canon (the EU), the point of large vessels like Star Destroyers and their predecessors were to be able to orbitally bombard planets into compliance or until everyone is fucking dead.

The Republic on occasion would use it; with the Burning of Mandalore being an example of this. The Empire would use it on particularly recalcitrant planets. In fact, before Project Stardust was complete; that was one of the points for their heavy ship focused fleet; to be able to cut a planet's support of rebellion by bombing it to glass.

So them thinking the Death Star was fake and gay is retarded. Not massively retarded, but it's a Dave-esque decision that makes them look stupid and highlights how the EU is needed to know this shit and also needed to not be known to have you suck down the slop.
 
So them thinking the Death Star was fake and gay is retarded. Not massively retarded, but it's a Dave-esque decision that makes them look stupid and highlights how the EU is needed to know this shit and also needed to not be known to have you suck down the slop.
I guess that's why I'm fixated on said specific stupid plot point (compared to more glaring ones in Andor, like the Imperial's takeover of Ghorman being dumb af & needlessly complicated. JUST KILL THE SPIDERS AND/OR RELOCATE THEM) It's extremely Dave Filoni. Filoni loves nothing more than to dumb down smart characters/make characters behave irrationally solely to create drama that pads out the runttime.
 
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I kind of want to rewatch Rogue One now, but I wish there was a cut of it that turned it into an episode of Andor, rather than being the Jyn Erso show. Like, skip the flashback parts and just start with Kifreen. No Darth Vader telling Krennic not to choke on his aspirations, ha ha ha get it. No blind guy who sort-of uses the Force but not really.
And maybe an epilogue where five minutes after the end of Star Wars, they gotta evacuate Yavin and characters like General Draven are all kinds of pissed-off that the big hero of the day is some random teenager who just showed up with a wookie, a smuggler and Princess Leia. He has a medal and a glowstick, you know. That means he's too good to help move crates.

Dedra Meero sits in an Narkina styled prison, doomed to spend the rest of her days there.
I was half-expecting her to end up in the cell next to Leia's on the Death Star for maximum irony, not that it would make much sense (or be worth the expense of re-creating the set for 5-10 seconds of screen time).
 
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So them thinking the Death Star was fake and gay is retarded. Not massively retarded, but it's a Dave-esque decision that makes them look stupid and highlights how the EU is needed to know this shit and also needed to not be known to have you suck down the slop.
Not quite. The Empire already had been capable of destroying worlds with ships, so it makes some sense for the council to doubt the idea that the Empire would make a massive battle station that can superlaser planets into oblivion. Especially when the Senate was still there, looking over the finances. The Empire pretty much had to fund the Death Star using money that slipped by the Senate oversight committee, or slush funds they stashed on the side.

It's a telling difference that once the Senate was dissolved, the Empire was able to rebuild the Death Star within a fraction of the time, (4 years) since there was no Senate to tell Palpatine "no". He just wrote off what was needed to build the station, and off the supplies went to Endor to build the damn thing.

Also by bragging about how the leaders of the Rebel Alliance are figure heads, you now can see that RatCo making the new republic weak aspect oozing in if you squint correctly. So it makes coping by ignoring and trying to slot it in away from RatCo just that little bit harder.
By doing that, Disney undermined the very message they taught in Andor, since the democracy that these unsung heroes helped restore through their sacrifices just wound up being a nothingburger anyways. Krennic was right; the rebels' cause was just "lawless ineptitude". The post-ROTJ shows like Mandalorian and Ahsoka show the Rebels' New Republic as being completely inept; easily infiltrated by enemy spies, its senators unwilling to take risks, and the moment you leave the core worlds, it's a lawless jungle, so Krennic was right on the money when he used those words.

So all those sacrifices by Luthen and his cohorts? Andor and Luthen killing Rebel assets to cover their tracks? The Ghorman and Ferrix massacres? All for naught, since the New Republic was about as useful as a screen door on a submarine, and it was easily subverted by fascists in the First Order who bribed the feeble-minded New Republic senators to help undermine the Republic, until the First Order could snipe the NR's head clean off its shoulders with the Starkiller Base.

And by the end of the Sequels, you have a First Order army scattered across the galaxy, now without a Supreme Leader since Kylo Ren and Palpatine are both dead. The Resistance didn't free the galaxy. They just turned it into Somalia writ large; dominated by officers with Star Destroyers and Stormtroopers. Sure, there's a rebellion against them too, but we don't know if it succeeded. For all we know, it failed, and the First Order leaders put them down, then slaughtered each other in a brutal power struggle, with trillions of people caught in the crossfire.

The Rebellion and the Resistance doomed the galaxy. That young rebel's manifesto wound up being a pile of hogwash, especially since Krennic was proven right about the "lawless ineptitude" of his foes in the post-ROTJ content.

I guess that's why I'm fixated on said specific stupid plot point (compared to more glaring ones in Andor, like the Imperial's takeover of Ghorman being dumb af & needlessly complicated. JUST KILL THE SPIDERS AND/OR RELOCATE THEM) It's extremely Dave Filoni. Filoni loves nothing more than to dumb down smart characters/make characters behave irrationally solely to create drama that pads out the runttime.
Just offer the Ghormans another farm world with nutrients that the spiders can feed off of. The Empire has millions of those. And then tell the galaxy that the gouge-mining for the Ghorman Kalkite is for the energy program that will revolutionize clean energy for everyone. That way, the sacrifice of the planet Ghorman sounds good on paper, and the reasonable Ghormans will pack their bags and leave. That will just leave the arrogant, stubborn, rebellious Ghormans who hate the Empire and would riot against them anyways, giving the Empire a perfect excuse to gun them down, because not only are they seditionists, but they're getting in the way of "clean energy programs" that would "benefit the galaxy".

Frame your foes as the enemy of the greater good. The Emperor was good at that; he did that to Anakin with the Jedi. Why he didn't do the same with the Ghormans puzzles me, when Krennic's sales pitch for a clean energy revolution would've worked on the galactic populace.

I'm pretty sure in Legends the Rebellion knew the Emperor/Navy high command had a desire to build planet-busting weapons; however not the Death Star specifically.
In Legends, the Rebel leaders were ON the Death Star when the Sith apprentice Starkiller rescued and united them. So they fucking know it exists; they were on the fucking thing, and there was even a window where you can see the superlaser doing test-firings.
 
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They should have just hired a look alike or hired a stand-in/only filmed shots of his character from a distance/from the back.
They probably could have done what they did in Revenge of the Sith and get a guy wearing prosthetics to be Tarkin and only use his character in very short scenes (and make him look older too obviously). It doesn't look amazing but it looks a hell of a lot better and much less distracting than the CGI zombie Peter Cushing they used in Rogue One.
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In Legends, the Rebel leaders were ON the Death Star when the Sith apprentice Starkiller rescued and united them. So they fucking know it exists; they were on the fucking thing, and there was even a window where you can see the superlaser doing test-firings.
Wait, the Forced Unleashed games were canon (in Legends)?

I was half-expecting her to end up in the cell next to Leia's on the Death Star for maximum irony, not that it would make much sense (or be worth the expense of re-creating the set for 5-10 seconds of screen time).

I was expecting something similar as well. Like, Dedra's arc ending with her being kicked upstairs/awarded with some mundane position on the Death Star due to her brown-nosing inadvertently earning Krennic's favor. I thought that scene where Partagaz informed Dedra that her being assigned to the Ghorman Project was a gift/promotion from Krennic that she cannot turn down, was foreshadowing of Krennic eventually hand-assigning her to the Death Star. I thought the series was going to end with Dedra and Syril happily married working dead end yet prestigious jobs on the Death Star, leaving just the audience aware of their inevitable (and somewhat ironic, considering their connection to Andor) fate.
 
I rewatched Rogue One and part of me wishes that Tony Gilroy just sort of remade it but at the same time it's still okay

It's got good action sequences but the random cameos and Zombie Cushing really drag it down. I'd say watching Andor makes me appreciate how much the actors for Andor and Krennic evolved their characters from that movie to feel more fleshed out in the show
 
Wait, the Forced Unleashed games were canon (in Legends)?
Force Unleashed is canon to Legends, yes.

I bet you we get a follow up on Dedra's fate in a couple years considering that the Empire only falls a 4 to 5 years later. Unless she An Heroed during that time
Given how Imperial prisons are like, she probably did the latter.

I was expecting something similar as well. Like, Dedra's arc ending with her being kicked upstairs/awarded with some mundane position on the Death Star due to her brown-nosing inadvertently earning Krennic's favor.
Brown-nosers don't get far in the Empire. It's usually skill and results that get people kicked upstairs. The result is that Imperial high command is filled with skilled officers, but most of them are self-serving assholes like Supreme Protector Carnor Jax, Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin, or Grand Moff Trachta.
 
Given how Imperial prisons are like, she probably did the latter.
While I think Dedra stepping on the "hot" tile is what the epilogue intended to convey to the audience - since it's Disney Star Wars, I feel like we can't rule out Disney retconning Dedra to be someone important in the sequel trilogy's mom, adopted mom, childhood teacher, or something along those lines.
 
since it's Disney Star Wars, I feel like we can't rule out Disney retconning Dedra to be someone important in the sequel trilogy's mom, adopted mom, childhood teacher, or something along those lines
In the Declassified video (at 9:45~), the actress mentioned that was the end for Dedra. Not that she speaks for Disney, but given how strong the reaction is online both in favor of Andor and against Filoni's nostalgia-bait. The majority reaction is that the fans don't want endless nostalgia and live action cartoons, so I would expect Disney to not try to tarnish the one critically aclaimed thing they have. Surely they can't be that retarded, can they?
 
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