Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[AnOminous]

Yeah regarding #1. I notice that more recently the Magistrate has stopped being all "Play Nice Kids" and scolding both sides. In the hearing his only pushback on anything to Hardin was a minor comment that one of his points was probably getting too nitpicky, but he said it in a jovial collegiate way. Basically saying "Yeah man I get the point". Whereas Greer got hit repeatedly over the head with the Cluebat of Justice. There was no more "Both of You Play Nice" or any sense of equivalency to maintain any illusions of impartiality. Bennet had clearly twigged to who the Fuckwit in the room that was causing all the problems was. And it was not Hardin.

"I'm granting this dude's motion for extension, that slobbering, drooling freak's opposition was a piece of shit and that's all I'm going to say."

 

[Thomas Talus]

2. Is "If it pleases the court" a phrase that's used outside of movies or TV shows? If so, is it ever used on paper instead of in person? Hell, it might be for all I know. My only experience with court is sitting around with a thumb up my ass while waiting on jury duty to tell me they don't need me, but it seems like that phrase is doubly retarded here.

I've heard it used, but don't use it myself. There are legal terms that are used because they're well-litigated and still in common use, like remainderman or replevin, and there are terms and phrases that are used to sound more solemn and impressive, like that one. Maybe there are judges out there that get upset if you don't use it, but generally they just like you to be polite and clear.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

"Mr. Greer, it is the opinion of this court that you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded..."

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Part of being polite and clear is using not only the jargon of the profession, but the forms.

If all motions start "HERE COME THE DEFENDANTS" you best hell start yours that way, too, because doing otherwise means everyone has to stop and figure out what you did.

Of course, using the snippets in the wrong place is even worse than not using them at all.

 

[AnOminous]

If all motions start "HERE COME THE DEFENDANTS"

Here come the plaintiffs and they're all gay and retarded.

 

[Dyn]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

Greer can't afford a PPO, he's on the Obamacare HMO. Or just HoMO.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

A judge is a judge is a judge. If Greer goes to a judge in his home town and files a complaint -- IFP and Pro Se, of course -- complaining about harassment from the Magistrate Judge to get a protection order, then the District Court judge will HAVE to replace the Magistrate with a different one. Maybe even a female one, and everyone knows females hate the Kiwi Farms and love them some Greer. It's a win win idea. No one tell Russface.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Greer must be addicted to that 10th circuit appeal, because otherwise getting this shitshow transferred would be one of the best ways to (maybe) get a reset and a chance to fuck up again.

Of course, I think we're far enough along now that a new judge is GOING to take notice of what has come before.

 

[Harvey Danger]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

There's 2 judges. If one gets taken out by Greer's legal jujitsu, the other can avenge him.

 

[ScooterL]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

StopGivingRussellGoodAdvice

 

[Sneed Force One]

If Greer gets a PPO against the judge does this mean nobody will be able to make him pay those sanctions?

PPO Application:
"The Utah District Court is harassing me by denying my motions, this is evidently abuse of the disabled and supporting the MURDERERS of THREE PEOPLE and they are trying to kill me! The judges and magistrates are complicit!!!"

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Since divorcing spouses often get restraining orders against each other, and still somehow navigate the court process of the divorce, there has to be a way for a court to ignore or at least modify the order such that communications can continue, perhaps through the docket only.

This shit could get insanely lit and all it takes is one fucknut judge in Vegas.

The process there is the lawyers deal with each other rather than the former spouses. but if Greer somehow pulled that off I think the judge might force him to get a lawyer rather than ban Hardin, if that's an available sanction. It'd definitely be a delicious monkeypaw

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I'm making a prediction. Russ will not give Mr. Hardin the docs. I'm not going to speak about how much time he has left, but he is clearly stalling. That either means he won't have the time needed to do it on the last day, or he's planning on not doing it to begin with. Either way, (and in addition to his comments of IFP fraud and ignoring court orders) I don't think Russ will comply.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

Russ will not give Mr. Hardin the docs.

I suspect he'll try some mealy-mouthed justification like "plaintiff sincerely tried, but he just doesn't know how to get it".

He's already tried to argue that vaguely gesturing to Mr Hardin that "it's over there somewhere" is the same as producing.

Whatever flavour of non-compliance we get, whether it's refusing to pay up on sanctions and fees or just straight up refusing to produce even after being compelled, it's over for Greerbros.

I think he's finally realising Mr Hardin will not be steamrolled by a literal drooling retard and just wants to moooooove ooooon.

 

[TooManyKittens]

I checked deadline and I think u_m is onto something. Assuming Hardin would be fairly prompt about relaying the receipt of said document to the court and all since we won't see the actual document only the confirmation or not.

That said I am almost willing to bet that the filing fee of all things ends this case as Russ seems to think being IFP, admitting to the court you can pay and then playing stupid games with nonpayment of the ordered fee is going to work somehow instead of being a mandatory case end.

Ngl if IFP of all things kills the case it's still funny as it's Russ fault and stupidity but wow that nothing else did and it's that quirk.

 

[Harvey Danger]

That said I am almost willing to bet that the filing fee of all things ends this case as Russ seems to think being IFP, admitting to the court you can pay and then playing stupid games with nonpayment of the ordered fee is going to work somehow instead of being a mandatory case end.

I'm placing my bet on an Emergency Motion To Stay Filing Fees Pending Appeal Of IFP Ruling, which gets the case tossed for non-payment. This gets an immediate appeal because "Plaintiff sincerely believed it automatically paused the deadline to pay".

 

[Oliver Onions]

That either means he won't have the time needed to do it on the last day, or he's planning on not doing it to begin with.

Maybe he's been browsing threads besides this one and decided to try the 5D 420 IQ lawfare of lawyer extraordinaire Ty Beard.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

IF he tries to comply (he probably won't) he'll send some half-assed email to the (wrong) police station after close of business today.

 

[Bogliacci]

I'm placing my bet on an Emergency Motion To Stay Filing Fees Pending Appeal Of IFP Ruling, which gets the case tossed for non-payment. This gets an immediate appeal because "Plaintiff sincerely believed it automatically paused the deadline to pay".

Yeah, hopefully the magistrate doesn't do like he did last time and give russ a multimonth long delay before he even rules on it and then says it wasn't a big deal.