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Old people dying and their 2+ homes each going onto the market will bring prices down. The boomer death wave is the incoming market correction. They're sitting on so much real estate it's not funny. It isn't vanguard or blackrock who bought up the housing supply. It's boomer trying to play landlord. Funniest part of it all is that welfare pays for these decrepit demons to keep housing out of the hands of the working people who pay for the welfare.

The day of the pillow can't come fast enough.
Very few if any boomer estates will be inherited or actually hit the open market. Most will be sold to banks and multinational holding companies to cover a decade of biomechanical horror as the boomers desperately cling to life in fetid nursing homes.
 
Call it cowardice, sure, I get it. But it's completely understandable, from a individualistic notion, which of course libertarianism is. I ain't gonna serve time in your backward ass rule system to further my beliefs in hopes of my railroading enlightens and emancipates YOU.
If everyone does this then you don't have the ability to flee out of the system like you want. It's a form of freeloading, where you benefit from the freedom of the society without doing anything to defend it.

And when it's threatened you run off declaring that individualism is paramount. But you were happy to benefit from the collective protection and governance but you didn't govern society to keep it that way despite having the power and opportunity.

That's cowardice. It's what the silicon valley types found out. You can't keep running away from responsibility to keep your society free no matter how much you scream about individualism
 
If everyone does this then you don't have the ability to flee out of the system like you want. It's a form of freeloading, where you benefit from the freedom of the society without doing anything to defend it.

And when it's threatened you run off declaring that individualism is paramount. But you were happy to benefit from the collective protection and governance but you didn't govern society to keep it that way despite having the power and opportunity.

That's cowardice. It's what the silicon valley types found out. You can't keep running away from responsibility to keep your society free no matter how much you scream about individualism
But, like, i'm not jewish. this isn't a fascist society. My fate is not tied to that of the country or that of the people around me. "the system" is not uniform and you can literally just go buy land in missouri somewhere and never have to deal with anybody ever again. It's only cowardice if you're framing this as some kind of cosmic struggle but i'm not part of some grand drama i'm a fucking guy. To some degree yeah we're all born into the bondage of government tyrrany or whatever anarchist spiel you want to give but ultimately it's the same kind of faggotry that informs fascism, jews, collectivism, whatever. you're not stronger as a collective than as an individual, and almost every single piece of media in the world today is written to trick you into caring more about the collective than yourself.
 
you're not stronger as a collective than as an individual, and almost every single piece of media in the world today is written to trick you into caring more about the collective than yourself.
The reason collectivism is the MO everywhere is because the collective steamrolls the individual every time. Society is basically an ossification of this relationship, so that TPTB don't have to run every retard who thinks he's stronger than whatever collective he inhabits over with a tank to prove it to him. I think that people who think that the individual is stronger must not have ever had to actually do anything. Whatever you choose to do to support yourself as an island unto yourself would fail in a vacuum. Just living off the grid without the rest of society would require you to be an architect, blacksmith, farmer, electrician (or to properly cut & store firewood, know how to make a spring/root cellar and preserve crops, etc), carpenter, etc. And saying 'I'd trade with other people' is a cop-out - society exists in a large part to create and enforce the rules of a market and defend that order against external threats, so the claim devolves into 'I'll build a different, better kind of collective'.
 
The reason collectivism is the MO everywhere is because the collective steamrolls the individual every time. Society is basically an ossification of this relationship, so that TPTB don't have to run every retard who thinks he's stronger than whatever collective he inhabits over with a tank to prove it to him. I think that people who think that the individual is stronger must not have ever had to actually do anything. Whatever you choose to do to support yourself as an island unto yourself would fail in a vacuum. Just living off the grid without the rest of society would require you to be an architect, blacksmith, farmer, electrician (or to properly cut & store firewood, know how to make a spring/root cellar and preserve crops, etc), carpenter, etc. And saying 'I'd trade with other people' is a cop-out - society exists in a large part to create and enforce the rules of a market and defend that order against external threats, so the claim devolves into 'I'll build a different, better kind of collective'.
are you trying to insinuate i'm taking the unabomber position because i have no clue what you're talking about

we live in a society, man. i don't even know what you're trying to say. you're going to recieve some benefit from the people around you as a result of your labor. that's how a society functions. the smallest unit of that society is an invidual person, not a eusocial worker drone that subsumes the roles of the collective.
 
Some people don't seem to understand that yes, there is a social contract in any system, but also nobody ain't gonna give a damn about anyone else when it comes down to it either. The social system just keeps us from bashing in each others' skulls on a mass scale, in theory. Most people can barely support their own family financially, much less anyone else down the road.

Basically the invisible hand is the only thing irl that works.
 
wrong
strength in numbers is real
yes in caveman land but this is a representative republic run by shadow oligarchs overlaying a fake white picket fence democracy, the chances of you benefiting from any of those collectivistic movements is very small and the chances of you getting your shit pushed in by them is very large.
 
are you trying to insinuate i'm taking the unabomber position because i have no clue what you're talking about

we live in a society, man. i don't even know what you're trying to say. you're going to recieve some benefit from the people around you as a result of your labor. that's how a society functions. the smallest unit of that society is an invidual person, not a eusocial worker drone that subsumes the roles of the collective.
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become. Someone who pursued the extreme form of this in the middle ages (hermits) never took it as a sign of strength - it was always seen as a sacrifice.
 
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become.
Yeah and the current context we live in is a society that seeks to strip all native/natural collectivist aggregations and render them into ideological identities that end up serving a single cohort.

So, in such a system, individualism after a fashion is stronger in ways such as allowing for the eyeing of opportunities others would not notice, or by being a breakout individual who is capable of establishing your own collective-within-the-collective.

It's not individualism vs collectivism. It's never black and white like that. To say one is 'worth more' than the other is as idiotic as saying cars are better than boats.
 
A single person, stripped of any collective context (family, village, religion, ethnicity) in which people support one another and consider one another members of a group with duties to that group, is much weaker than one who exists within those frameworks and has sacrificed some degree of individual autonomy to do so. Of course society is reducible to the individual, but individuals derive a huge amount of advantage and benefit from various collective associations and actions. Choosing to 'go it alone' without engaging in any sort of collective action doesn't make you stronger, it makes you profoundly weaker. People can certainly choose to do so, but the idea that this isn't a sacrifice is nonsense. The more collective support and obligations you strip away, the weaker you become. Someone who pursued the extreme form of this in the middle ages (hermits) never took it as a sign of strength - it was always seen as a sacrifice.
the post you're quoting literally says "i'm not taking the unabomber position" so i don't know why you doubled down on explaining why it's dumb
 
Yeah and the current context we live in is a society that seeks to strip all native/natural collectivist aggregations and render them into ideological identities that end up serving a single cohort.

So, in such a system, individualism after a fashion is stronger in ways such as allowing for the eyeing of opportunities others would not notice, or by being a breakout individual who is capable of establishing your own collective-within-the-collective.

It's not individualism vs collectivism. It's never black and white like that. To say one is 'worth more' than the other is as idiotic as saying cars are better than boats.
it's ayn rand level cosmic idealism and it's really annoying that you can preface things with "i am speaking entirely about brass tacks" and you'll still get people throwing millenialist bullshit at you
 
The social contract died when Citizens United v United States came down in favor of the corpos. Larry Fink and his ilk were already the unofficial kings of the U.S but once that actually got enshrined as law it was actually literally Joever in terms of the United States being a real country.
The "real country" you're referring to is just the baby boomer cultural hegemony manufactured at the end of ww2 where they had to carefully maintain the image that the US military industrial complex was trustworthy and that there were real patriots fighting hard inside of it. It's a fucking lie and it was always a lie. they just took the gloves off.

america is combination liquor/tackle stores and used car lots. it's smoking a joint while laughing at the kids doing donuts in a church parking lot. it's a chinese resturant run by cambodian immigrants staffed with shoeless children and $8 takeout boxes with mystery meat. It has absolutely nothing to do with what some faggot jew banker wants people to think
 
The one common American identity that can be traced back to the founding is hating taxes and the faggots who want to take your guns so you can't do anything about it.
Need the damn suppressor laws redone for sure. And the NFA totally scrapped. There's bits and pieces going on but at the rate it'll take another 100 years to get rid of it fully. The Force Trigger Reset is a tiny step in the right direction but doesn't really mean much in the end.
 
I despise the liberal narrative of immigration because america is the new colossus, it was created out of the discarded parts of other nations to form a sum much greater than its parts ever were and it completely dominated the 19th and 20th century by being an immigration powerhouse. but the modern world doesn't need manpower anymore so we gotta pretend that it was just white protestants from 1776 to now
 
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