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Two Israeli Embassy staff members were shot and killed during an event at the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday night, authorities confirmed.

Tal Naim Cohen, a spokesperson for the Israeli embassy in the capital, confirmed to Fox News that two diplomats were shot "at close range" during a Jewish event at the museum. The American Jewish Committee confirmed it was hosting the event in a post on X.

"We have full faith in law enforcement authorities on both the local and federal levels to apprehend the shooter and protect Israel’s representatives and Jewish communities throughout the United States," Cohen said.

Fox News confirmed a man and a woman were both killed in the shooting. Further details on their identities were not immediately available.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said DHS is "actively investigating" the incident and "working to get more information to share."

"Please pray for the families of the victims. We will bring this depraved perpetrator to justice," Noem wrote on X.

The Metropolitan Police Department said a shooting investigation was underway near 3rd Street and F Street Northwest, which is where the Capital Jewish Museum is located.

Danny Danon, Israel's Ambassador to the United Nations, said an event was taking place at the museum and the deadly shooting was a "depraved act of anti-Semitic(sic) terrorism" in a statement posted to X late Wednesday night.

"Harming diplomats and the Jewish community is crossing a red line. We are confident that the US authorities will take strong action against those responsible for this criminal act. Israel will continue to act resolutely to protect its citizens and representatives – everywhere in the world," he wrote.


Fox News Digital has reached out to DC police, the Israeli embassy and the Capital Jewish Museum.
 
Regardless of how anyone feels, can we at least agree that the murder of diplomats on American soil is an objectively bad thing?
Hate to break it to ya, but with Orange Man in office there’s plenty of people cheering on any bad thing that happens to tarnish his administration. Even on KF. So nope, never happening.
 
Argumentum ad baculum has been a recognized logical fallacy for hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, and it remains so today. The ability to deploy disproportionate force does not confer a moral right to do so.
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According to your argument the tanks are in the right and the man in front is in the wrong. Are you really comfortable with applying these moral standards without fear or favor?

On reflection you’re 100% correct and I misinterpreted the thrust of @Disdainer of the Plebs argument. You’re both quite right, an unenforced law is worthless from a legal perspective, leaving aside basic ethics and morality.

I'll follow this whole discussion up with a Heinlein quote that I alluded to earlier:

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms”​


Using force doesn't determine who is morally right, rather who gets to impose their will. This is the source of the truism "Might makes Right", it's not about being morally right, its about taking the right to impose your will via conquest. The victor anoints himself morally right as part of this and there is nothing the vanquished can do to stop it. Morals and ethics are social fabrications specific to the groups of people that hold them and are therefore to be considered separately from who wins due to their fungibility. If you are a Maoist, the men in the tanks are in the right, because Tank Man is a Marxian class enemy who must be (and was almost certainly) killed and (due to western journalism, immortalized rather than being) erased from history.

The other thing is: once war gets intense enough, moral and ethical pretense is dropped. This is because ethics are a lie we all agree to pretend is true to cope for the fact that anybody can do whatever they want at any time for any reason, and there's precious little anyone can do about that fact. Morals are basically society's shared intuition on what behaviors are necessary for the success of that society. When you engage in total war, both of these are irrelevant because ethics are performance art, and the most critical moral is "ensure our society has a future by any means necessary". This results in a near universal moral reasoning during war: "everything we do is good and right because we are us, and everything the enemy does is an atrocity because they are fighting against us." To use a very cliche example, notice how critical your education was of the Germans bombing population centers in the opening years of the second world war, and how they didn't really talk about the fact that Britain and America did it A LOT more. The west doesn't teach schoolchildren about Operation Vegetarian for a reason. The leftoids supporting Palestine seem to be capable of using only the total war moral rationale, and no other moral reasoning, which is why you see their activists murdering foreign dignitaries, but you don't see Jews killing Arab/Iranian diplomats in the streets of Washington - they are content to keep the violence in the conflict zone because they are winning; openly killing diplomats in a foreign country would be more harmful to their society than beneficial at this time. If this calculus changes, you'll find out about it on twitter within about 20 minutes.

The Palestinians are fighting total war (by which I mean that the enemy's civilian population itself is a strategic target) and have been for a very long time. Israel is lucky that Hamas is bad at the large-scale violence you need a real army to commit. The only thing I'm shocked by is the fact that the IDF hasn't gone in and blown up anything that moves. I'm not fond of either of them, so I'm quite happy to watch the Jews and their ethnostate expend the social capital they were granted in the wake of the Holocaust to slaughter Arab barbarians by the bushel fucking basket.

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Regardless of how anyone feels, can we at least agree that the murder of diplomats on American soil is an objectively bad thing?

Yeah, this is really bad. Much like Thompson assassination (committed by Luigi), despite the significant enmity large swathes of the public had for the victim(s), these actions cannot be tolerated. The proper (and only correct) response is to impose the most severe punishment legally possible - failing to do so encourages further incidents. To call back to morals, a very important one that all functioning societies seem to share is that going out and killing people you don't like must not be tolerated, for when you tolerate, you get more. This is doubly important when foreign dignitaries are involved, because any smart country isn't going to tolerate us for long if we don't respond to their envoys being killed in public.
 
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A nation where the murder of diplomats becomes a common thing is a collapsing and degenerate state that has no honor.
Look I know this is shocking for someone coming out of a coma but the year is 2025 and the last president was a dementia patient cheated into office.
To call back to morals, a very important one that all functioning societies seem to share is that going out and killing people you don't like must not be tolerated, for when you tolerate, you get more. This is doubly important when foreign dignitaries are involved, because any smart country isn't going to tolerate us for long if we don't respond to their envoys being killed in public.
'We' aren't the government and haven't been for decades. It is not a problem for 'us' to be tolerated anywhere, I am not a diplomat nor is anyone in my family a diplomat. If some faggot working for the USGov gets shot in retaliation in some shithole sandland he shouldn't be in to begin with, it's not my problem. If anything it's one less government worker to give a fuck about subsidizing.

To appeal to 'morals' in the modern age of ubiquitous hypocrisy is as tragic as it is moronic, as well. That would be a compelling emotional appeal in... 1985 at the latest.
I'm quite happy to watch the Jews and their ethnostate expend the social capital they were granted in the wake of the Holocaust to slaughter Arab barbarians by the bushel fucking basket.
Case in point.
 
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Look I know this is shocking for someone coming out of a coma but the year is 2025 and the last president was a dementia patient cheated into office.

'We' aren't the government and haven't been for decades. It is not a problem for 'us' to be tolerated anywhere, I am not a diplomat nor is anyone in my family a diplomat. If some faggot working for the USGov gets shot in retaliation in some shithole sandland he shouldn't be in to begin with, it's not my problem. If anything it's one less government worker to give a fuck about subsidizing.

To appeal to 'morals' in the modern age of ubiquitous hypocrisy is as tragic as it is moronic, as well. That would be a compelling emotional appeal in... 1985 at the latest.

Case in point.
As I asserted earlier, morals are rooted in a sentimental reflection of reality - reality is always true, and morals can be (and often are) true, but not necessarily. In the case of the American Government tolerating the assassination of foreign dignitaries, both the reality and moral reflection of it are true - more bad things will happen if assassination of foreign dignitaries, or just murder in general are tolerated. Should the American Government decline to punish the assassin, the possible consequences are more assassinations and murders, foreign relations turning hostile, and foreign countries retaliating by refusing to prosecute their citizens if and when an American citizen is victimized. These are all very bad, so it is in every American's interest, government employee or not, to punish the assassin and tamp down on homicide in general - thus aligning the US Government's cynical and amoral behavior with commonly held moral prescription. Two things can be true at the same time.
 
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As I asserted earlier, morals are rooted in a sentimental reflection of reality - reality is always true, and morals can be true, but are not necessarily true.
Don't appeal to higher morality if you yourself will not hold yourself to a consistent standard.

If you are not willing to do that then you are not going to find people willing to hold themselves to a standard at all as you are demonstrating that it is a fluid choice rather than an objective absolute to be adhered to, this isn't hard to parse.
In the case of the American Government tolerating the assassination of foreign dignitaries, both the reality and moral reflection of it are true - more bad things will happen if assassination of foreign dignitaries, or just murder in general are tolerated. Should the American Government decline to punish the assassin, the possible consequences are more assassinations and murders, foreign relations turning hostile, and foreign countries refusing to prosecute their citizens should they attack an American.
Good. Americans shouldn't be traveling abroad to nations with hostile citizenry to begin with. It is not anybody's right to travel abroad, and moreover it's only enriching hostile nations with tourist dollars that could've been otherwise spent domestically. As far as assassinations and murders are concerned I frankly don't care if some government goon gets shot. It is the very definition of something that isn't my problem.
These are all very bad,
You've said yourself that it's a sentimental reflection of reality whether or not something is bad so I am going to use that stance to justify your opinion as exactly that, an opinion. One I disagree with and dismiss.
so it is in every American's interest, government employee or not, to punish the assassin and tamp down on homicide in general - thus aligning the US Government's cynical and amoral behavior with commonly held moral prescription.
It is not in my interest as I am not of the targeted people's cohort in any category. It's in the interest of the hostile parties involved in this conflict perhaps, but I personally have no benefit nor loss from this 'assassin' being punished or these politically motivated murders being given extra special treatment.

As a matter of fact had I not heard of this via the news I would've not even known it had happened, such is its insignificance to my life. As far as the US Government's cynical and amoral behavior? That's not aligning it with commonly held moral proscription it's giving it license to crack down on behavior that is dangerous chiefly to it and its members. It does not magically make the US government in line with (what used to be) common morality.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Sure but you can either appeal to an objective morality or a subjective one. If you are predicating yourself on the latter you can not make appeals to the former. Especially not in the same breath (not literally in the case of a forum post obviously) as you demonstrate your own subjective moral standard.

It's all very simple really. I reiterate my statement:
'We' aren't the government and haven't been for decades. It is not a problem for 'us' to be tolerated anywhere, I am not a diplomat nor is anyone in my family a diplomat. If some faggot working for the USGov gets shot in retaliation in some shithole sandland he shouldn't be in to begin with, it's not my problem. If anything it's one less government worker to give a fuck about subsidizing.
government lackeys getting shot by retarded products of their propaganda programs misfiring is not my problem and never will be, period. Neither is any retaliatory action as a result of such misaligned brainwashed retards' actions.
 
Don't appeal to higher morality if you yourself will not hold yourself to a consistent standard.

If you are not willing to do that then you are not going to find people willing to hold themselves to a standard at all as you are demonstrating that it is a fluid choice rather than an objective absolute to be adhered to, this isn't hard to parse.
I'm not. I asserted that the moral of "assassination/murder is wrong and should be punished" aligns with the cynical behavior of "don't let murders and assassins run amok because it causes problems (more murders/assassinations) that don't need to exist". Morals are fungible and change or are dropped to suit the group of people that hold them. The absolute morality of which you speak is a lie that said groups of people agree on because it is necessary for social cohesion.

That being said, I agree with the moral in this case because I don't want to be randomly killed by some nut case nor do I want one or more of my loved ones to be randomly killed by some nut case. This is cynical self interest. Is it hypocrisy? Yes. Do I care? No. Most people behave like this. You should look into getting that sand removed from your vagina.

Sure but you can either appeal to an objective morality or a subjective one. If you are predicating yourself on the latter you can not make appeals to the former. Especially not in the same breath (not literally in the case of a forum post obviously) as you demonstrate your own subjective moral standard.
Anyone can appeal to anything they want. Whether others buy it or not is a different story. You don't buy it? Fine. Others might though.

It's all very simple really. I reiterate my statement:
government lackeys getting shot is not my problem and never will be, period.

We are arguing two different points here. You are saying you don't care about political assassination of some random employees of the Israeli government, and that's your right. I am asserting there's two layers to this happening, and this is why I care about random Israeli government employees being killed on American soil. Emphasis on killed on American soil. If this happened in Germany, I wouldn't give a single fuck, but because I am an American, this incident has become my problem because it happened in my country and was perpetrated by my countryman.

1. Murder in the general sense - No sane human being wants to live in a place where that allows people to commit wanton murder because they are angry. Like all crimes. this is impossible to stop entirely, but if this behavior is not punished, it becomes much, much more common. For example, look to New York and California refusing to prosecute petty theft. What did they get? A fuckload of petty theft, organized petty theft rings, open air markets selling stolen goods, having Walgreens treat random citizens who want to buy a fucking stick of deodorant like a thief and general economic downturn. The same concept applies for random murders. Because I don't want to be murdered if I irritate some random douchebag, and because I don't want to be randomly murdered by some nut job because I went to the wrong museum, it is in my objective interest that homicide (excepting cases of self defense or defense of others) be prosecuted severely. Because pretty much every sane person both logically and sentimentally agree, it becomes a moral.

2. Political assassination specifically - I'm no fan of Israel, as I stated before, but this is an international incident and it will cause international problems. It is for the best, both morally and cynically, that Americans not let this slide because the next happening might piss off someone who will decide to retaliate. If we properly deal with the assassin, it might prevent another incident. For example, next time it might be some deranged Ukraineaboo killing a Russian dignitary next time and the Russians elect to impose consequences in the form of a massive cyber warfare attack. Americans will be directly harmed as a result and that is objectively bad for Americans, and therefore also morally bad for Americans.
 
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I’m barely even going to touch on the concept of ‘Da Jooz’, but I think there’s something else that’s important.
Israel will never have the support of the American people it used to. Essentially the entire American under-40 demographic either dgaf about or actively hates Israel, almost entirely because of this war and the modern US Middle East wars being for the sole benefit of Israel. Boomers love Isreal more than America because ‘muh WW2’ and ‘muh Third Temple’ meanwhile every Zoomer has heard ‘I’m not going to die for Isreal’ and, yes, the Internet makes it easier to notice things.
I could get into the difference between Jews and Da Jooz, but you guys are smart you know what’s up. But that doesn’t stop noticing in regards to undue influence over media, politics, law, business, and most importantly banking. Without the good will that Isreal has, this influence is highlighted more and rallied against more.
Once the Boomers are gone, Israel will have very little support from the American people and that’ll be a fucking problem for them. Because right now they have done nothing but dig a massive PR hole for themselves, to the point that a terroristic shooting is like ‘whatever’.
 
I'm not. I asserted that the moral of "assassination/murder is wrong and should be punished" aligns with the cynical behavior of "don't let murders and assassins run amok because it causes problems (more murders/assassinations) that don't need to exist". Morals are fungible and change or are dropped to suit the group of people that hold them. The absolute morality of which you speak is a lie that said groups of people agree on because it is necessary for social cohesion.

That being said, I agree with the moral in this case because I don't want to be randomly killed by some nut case nor do I want one or more of my loved ones to be randomly killed by some nut case. This is cynical self interest. Is it hypocrisy? Yes. Do I care? No. Most people behave like this. You should look into getting that sand removed from your vagina.
The problem here is that if you're going to state openly that it's a matter of whether or not you agree with it then don't bother bringing morality into it at all, it comes off as obscurantist horseshit.

And in this specific section you and your loved ones aren't at threat at being killed by some nut case at random as a result of this unless you're actually arguing that 'two hyper-specifically contextual murders not being treated in the extreme = all murder will be normalized' in which case you're a mental midget too short for this entire avenue of discussion.
Anyone can appeal to anything they want. Whether others buy it or not is a different story. You don't buy it? Fine. Others might though.
Exactly what my point is, your entire argument hinges on this illogical notion that two heeb diplomats getting shot somehow will radiate into people killing each other over parking squabbles via clown logic and Schrodinger's emotional appeal to a self-described cynical subjective standard of morality.
We are arguing two different points here. You are saying you don't care about political assassination of some random employees of the Israeli government, and that's your right. I am asserting there's two layers to this happening, and this is why I care about random Israeli government employees being killed on American soil. Emphasis on killed on American soil. If this happened in Germany, I wouldn't give a single fuck, but because I am an American, this incident has become my problem because it happened in my country and was perpetrated by my countryman.
It didn't happen in 'your country' and wasn't perpetrated by 'your countryman'. You fucking faggot. This is my point, it is not 'my problem' because I am an American citizen any more than it is logically my problem that some tourist gets kidnapped in Juarez because they thought going outside of the local established tourist zones to 'experience authentic local color' was a good idea. It doesn't suddenly mean I need to be afraid for my life of being kidnapped in Juarez.
1. Murder in the general sense - No sane human being wants to live in a place where that allows people to commit wanton murder because they are angry
This wasn't a 'wanton murder because they were angry' you retard. This is the very definition of a targeted, specific crime.
.Like all crimes. this is impossible to stop entirely, but if this behavior is not punished, it becomes much, much more common. For example, look to New York and California refusing to prosecute petty theft. What did they get? A fuckload of petty theft, organized petty theft rings, open air markets selling stolen goods, having Walgreens treat random citizens who want to buy a fucking stick of deodorant like a thief and general economic downturn. The same concept applies for random murders. Because I don't want to be murdered if I irritate some random douchebag, and because I don't want to be randomly murdered by some nut job because I went to the wrong museum, it is in my objective interest that homicide (excepting cases of self defense or defense of others) be prosecuted severely. Because pretty much every sane person both logically and sentimentally agree, it becomes a moral.
This entire spastic line of reasoning is based on a non sequitur. Two people in demographic cohorts entirely unlike you in every comprehensible manner being targeted does not suddenly make you a target.
2. Political assassination specifically - I'm no fan of Israel, as I stated before, but this is an international incident and it will cause international problems.
Cool, good thing I don't plan on traveling internationally like the vast majority of Americans, then.
It is for the best, both morally
Shut the fuck up with the moral appeal if you yourself do not care for morals as anything other than subjective standards to be picked up and discarded as is necessary for cynical personal purposes.
and cynically, that Americans not let this slide because the next happening might piss off someone who will decide to retaliate.
And cynically, most Americans - the vast majority myself included - do not belong in any group that would be targeted in such a retaliation and as such this is not their problem nor mine. Period.
There is no 'we' retard.
properly deal with the assassin, it might prevent another incident. For example, next time it might be some deranged Ukraineaboo killing a Russian dignitary next time and the Russians elect to impose consequences in the form of a massive cyber warfare attack. Americans will be directly harmed as a result and that is objectively bad for Americans, and therefore also morally bad for Americans.
In your extreme and hopefully hyperbolic, insane and illogical example you're leaving out that the targets of such a cyber warfare attack are likely to be:
A: Politically important targets such as cities (blue hellholes I don't give a shit about)
and
B: Individually politically important targets such as military infrastructure (that I don't give a shit about because I am not in the military), three-letter agency infrastructure (fuck the feds), and the political class/government worker class who can also feel free to all go jump in a lake wearing a backpack full of horseshoes.

Your entire framework crumbles because it hinges on the necessity of me accepting your batshit-insane premise that I'm somehow going to be personally targeted in any of this, which is just again nonsensical. I like most of John Q Public in America am not:

A government worker
A diplomat
An international tourist
A member of the military (government worker but whatever)
A bughive dweller

So I really have nothing but upsides in your hypothetical. The other aspect of your argument that is equally important as it is deranged is this notion that somehow a hyper-specific politically motivated attack will lead to people shooting each other at Wal-Mart which not only already happens but is fucking preposterous when it's the very definition of a niche case.

This is all a not-so-cryptic form of emotional manipulation ('we-ism') to try to rope myself and others into caring about an incident that categorically across all domains is not of my concern whatsoever as to its resolution and I actively have no interest in agitating for any kind of action on, individually or as part of some nebulous group that is observed to not exist in the first place. This 'we as Americans' shit died a decade ago and is now recognizable to the public as the completely transparent bandwagoning tactic that it always was.

It in fact, is NOT in my interest to see this retard get punished any more than anyone else. If anything him NOT getting punished would be a boon as it would lead to less trips from Israeli diplomats to the U.S.
 
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idk why jews think everyones too stupid to remember them telling us that a fifth of what theyre doing to the palestinians done to violent chomo rape niggers here made us irredeemable whites. the fucking left even remembers which is why they throw jew rhetoric back at you, "doesnt israel have a right to defend itself and establish its borders?" no nigga you said we didnt. why the fuck would a white pissed at you for that say you can do it? why would a white who hates his own for trying to exist give a fuck about one of you trying to exist?
Was it Israel that said that or liberal western Jews? unless you are grouping all Jews together in which case why are you upset that Jews do the same to whites?
 
Was it Israel that said that or liberal western Jews? unless you are grouping all Jews together in which case why are you upset that Jews do the same to whites?
Hell not even all the Israeli Jewish political and religious groups are all the same. The major population growth from almost exclusively Hasadics and more ultra nationalists groups is likely to send the nation to be a basket case if current trends continue, but this is a discussion far past the scope of what should just talk about a political assassination on American soil.
 
I’m barely even going to touch on the concept of ‘Da Jooz’, but I think there’s something else that’s important.
Israel will never have the support of the American people it used to. Essentially the entire American under-40 demographic either dgaf about or actively hates Israel, almost entirely because of this war and the modern US Middle East wars being for the sole benefit of Israel. Boomers love Isreal more than America because ‘muh WW2’ and ‘muh Third Temple’ meanwhile every Zoomer has heard ‘I’m not going to die for Isreal’ and, yes, the Internet makes it easier to notice things.
I could get into the difference between Jews and Da Jooz, but you guys are smart you know what’s up. But that doesn’t stop noticing in regards to undue influence over media, politics, law, business, and most importantly banking. Without the good will that Isreal has, this influence is highlighted more and rallied against more.
Once the Boomers are gone, Israel will have very little support from the American people and that’ll be a fucking problem for them. Because right now they have done nothing but dig a massive PR hole for themselves, to the point that a terroristic shooting is like ‘whatever’.
I think that might be a bit reductivist but not entirely wrong. You definitely see less support for Israel among the under 40, even though I think there is a strong contingent of people who still support Israel as either the only democratic nation in the Middle East and defender of the Christian minority a la Charlie Kirk or as a lesser of two evils. I believe Israel has long taken US popular support for granted and like everyone else didn't appreciate how much the woke brainrot infected American society.
 
Communist infighting over who has the most "revolutionary line" here.
As I pointed out, the PSL openly praises violence, and terrorist acts, but refuses to accept the implications of statements. Other leftists organizations are calling their hypocrisy and inconsistency out. Mind you, the PSL has been around for 20 years, and have not accomplished anything of value. Which makes you question - what are they doing? Why do they even exist? What is the point? Why exist in the first place? Where are the results? These questions are central to all sectarian, leftist politics.View attachment 7399482
Have they ever tried running a candidate in an election?
 
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