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A 3700 in the day of our lord? The ryzen 3000 series was mid at best and is bottlenecking your entire build. But what do I know? I've only built 3 PC'S in the last year alone.
Maybe you can build him a shiny new Threadripper rig then. Those are like ten bucks, right? :story:
 
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They see that the federation is a post-scarcity post-capitalism society and because they cannot separate fiction from reality they think no conservative can enjoy it, whether just reading on a surface level and enjoyinh the cool spacefights or just seeing the scenario of star trek for what it is, a fantasy future akin to lord of the rings. Star Trek is not an ideological thesis on the shape of society and anytime someone starts looking at it too closely it starts falling apart. What exactly makes everyone start pursuing enlightenment among the stars instead of abusing drugs and substances? What's the incentive for people to train in the naval academy, enroll in mundane work like administration when doing nothing gets you the same result? You have people now that have all their needs met and still engage in destructive tendencies. As much as the later star treks suck, they will end up bringing in modern day problems because that's the only way to visualize what that society would look like.
Star Trek was kino when it actually tackled issues with frightening accuracy.
When the writers understood the setting and then "looked back" into "our world", it made those episodes timeless. Modern writers can only write about what they see around them, not hypotheticals.
 
They see that the federation is a post-scarcity post-capitalism society and because they cannot separate fiction from reality they think no conservative can enjoy it, whether just reading on a surface level and enjoyinh the cool spacefights or just seeing the scenario of star trek for what it is, a fantasy future akin to lord of the rings. Star Trek is not an ideological thesis on the shape of society and anytime someone starts looking at it too closely it starts falling apart. What exactly makes everyone start pursuing enlightenment among the stars instead of abusing drugs and substances? What's the incentive for people to train in the naval academy, enroll in mundane work like administration when doing nothing gets you the same result? You have people now that have all their needs met and still engage in destructive tendencies. As much as the later star treks suck, they will end up bringing in modern day problems because that's the only way to visualize what that society would look like.
The point of Star Trek wasn't really to show how to solve all those problems, it was to show how nice it would be if we did solve them. The sci-fi premise it examines is deliberately utopian which gives people a future to strive for. The in universe answer to how we get there was by having genocidal nuclear world wars led by transhuman warlords. It wasn't trying to get us to try that out.

Why do conservatives like it? Well, it imagined the military positively as a force for peace, defense, and progress. It depicted the military as staffed with people of high character, intelligence, professionalism, and strength. It depicted characters standing up for reason and law and order. It promoted educating and taking care of children and teaching them to try and follow a code of morality. It encouraged kids to be interested in science and engineering and the military. The assumption that a conservative couldn't like a non-capitalist society when it is a society with nearly limitless resources and energy springs from an assumption that conservatives are too dim to understand the entire concept of science fiction is to examine a "What if?" Capitalism can't value things when everything really is free. It didn't cease to exist ideologically, it ceased to exist practically. Why would heaven need a stock market?

The woke on the other hand really can't grasp a "What if?" scenario. Every show has to be depiction of right here and right now in the America they imagine no matter when and where it's set. Anyway, this whole conversation is just an unnecessary derail away from Captain Planet.
 
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They see that the federation is a post-scarcity post-capitalism society and because they cannot separate fiction from reality they think no conservative can enjoy it, whether just reading on a surface level and enjoyinh the cool spacefights or just seeing the scenario of star trek for what it is, a fantasy future akin to lord of the rings. Star Trek is not an ideological thesis on the shape of society and anytime someone starts looking at it too closely it starts falling apart. What exactly makes everyone start pursuing enlightenment among the stars instead of abusing drugs and substances? What's the incentive for people to train in the naval academy, enroll in mundane work like administration when doing nothing gets you the same result? You have people now that have all their needs met and still engage in destructive tendencies. As much as the later star treks suck, they will end up bringing in modern day problems because that's the only way to visualize what that society would look like.
I genuinely don’t understand how someone can think “post scarcity” is within the realm of possibility.

Scarcity existed before us, it’ll exist after us, shit it probably exists in heaven too. It’s universal. A fact of life. Natural law.
 
Maybe you can build him a shiny new Threadripper rig then. Those are like ten bucks, right? :story:
>glances at my 2700x/1660 build that still works well enough for everything I play

No sense upgrading if it works for what you do. No way I can justify an upgrade, especially when I'm still gaming at 1080p lol
 
What exactly makes everyone start pursuing enlightenment among the stars instead of abusing drugs and substances? What's the incentive for people to train in the naval academy, enroll in mundane work like administration when doing nothing gets you the same result?

The world of star trek has always been schizo about this. The polite has dr crusher saying "charge it to the crusher account" at the farpoint station.

Riker does a trade offering some kinda bio gell.

Trade happens.

That butch lesbian tasha yar comes from a planet whose goverment collapsed and had drug fuel rap gangs.

As for the answer to your other question. its easy alien pussy
 
The world of star trek has always been schizo about this. The polite has dr crusher saying "charge it to the crusher account" at the farpoint station.

Riker does a trade offering some kinda bio gell.

Trade happens.

That butch lesbian tasha yar comes from a planet whose goverment collapsed and had drug fuel rap gangs.

As for the answer to your other question. its easy alien pussy
DS9 has entire episodes based around trade, both legal and otherwise. Post-scarcity doesn't magically mean everyone HAS everything easily, it means everyone can GET everything easily. Anything can be manufactured but it still needs delivered.
 
"They're not owed an argument"

And this is why the left will lose. They refuse to actually explain their position to outsiders; they refuse to convert people. If you're not already part of the club, you're not taken seriously; you're condescended to, or ignored.

Well I hope the 'you can't sit with us' strategy works for them because meanwhile Trump is like 'hey you can sit with me if you want.'
It isn't that they refuse to explain, more so they want to (for lack of a better word) preach to outsiders without any sort of push back. Which is why they are so determined to hold onto their control of education at all levels. Children aren't equipped to either reason why leftism is bad, or to have the life experience if they can't reason it out. Where else but the school house are they going to be able to have access to other people's children for several hours a day without the parents around? Forcing tele school from home during covid really fucked them up once enough parents started hearing just what was being taught.

What would you do if you found out you were 1% Jewish?
Nothing, it would change absolutely nothing about me, and to me at least, the important bit on the "I'm not white, I'm jewish" bullshit is how you perceive yourself. Those kikes being called out see themselves as jews first, white second. As if being "white" is a group they can opt into and out as is convenient. Which frankly speaks to their leftist beliefs that "white" is a social construct, and not a racial reality.

Part of the problem we have with, and had historically with, who is and isn't white is more a matter of who is American, non-American, and brown. Like its funny to joke Italians aren't white, but they clearly are. I think because America is a product of so many different Europeans, its hard to have really distinct idea of being English or being French, or so on. Like when the Italians, Germans, Poles, various Slavs came over in the late 1800s, there was already a steady mixing of English, Scots, Irish, Welsh and some French. That ESIWF was "white" whereas everyone else that wasn't strictly Germanic was "not-white" but clearly not "brown." It would have been better if the people of that time made the distinction between people of the British Isles and continentals. However, I can see how a bunch of Americans would prefer not to call themselves "British", but there isn't a better word (that I know of) for it.

I think the problem of solving who is and isn't "white" is really a matter of making American into a proper ethnic identity as English, Irish, Welsh or Scots is. That easily could have been done over a 100 years ago to today if we hadn't tried to import everyone we could find via 1965 act. It is something that despite current ethnic flux could be done if we closed the border for the next 100 years. Close the Border.

What I'm trying to say is these "I'm jewish types" will be ground under, and their children (if they ever have any) will see themselves as White American, or simply American if we close the border. Their children, and grandchildren will say "I'm American, but my ancestors were English, Scots, Irish, Welsh, French, and Jewish" like everyone else might rattle off their mixed European ancestry. Which for the current "I'm jewish" coward is more terrifying than any gas chamber. They fear not being "God's chosen" more than they do being prosecuted for it. Which is why they're so opposed to closing the border, and not worshipping the brown alien.

Close the Border.

Dems have had decades to fix the fraud problem and all they do is squeal and whine that the Republicans are going to demolish Medicaid, so they have zero leg to stand on here.
What if I told you fraud is the point. They can't get enough of taking money from White men, that would have paid for White children, and giving it to browns. Anything that causes more of this racial wealth transfer is good in their eyes.

Do any of you know about the French Revolution or the late 1800s Russia? I’ve seen parallels about today drawn between those times and late 1960s America, but I know a decent amount about that time.
Neither of those are comparable to current United States. History rhymes, it does not repeat. Which is one of the reason marxist analysis is worthless. Take France on the eve of the revolution. France wasn't a multi-ethnic, multi-religious nation ruled by what amounts to an occupying force. Instead it was nearly all French, and nearly all catholic. The insanity that resulted was a product of people tossing away tradition as a way to over come horrible leadership. America's current problems come from an abandonment of tradition on the part of current leadership. Or put another the causes and insanity of the French revolution was a search for solutions to bad management. Whereas current problems are a vocal minority being too loud, and aggressive trying to force on the majority a new order.
 
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The European powers used Africa and India and south America as the resources and funding for all the advancements of the industrial revolution
Progressive cope bullshit. Almost all colonial enterprises were a net loss for the colonial powers in terms of resources. Colonialism was never about resources, you could hardly fit a damn thing worth half a shit on those boats. They had low capacity, sailed slow as shit, and the materials couldn't be condensed like they can now.

Colonialism was mainly about strategic naval bases for wars against other colonial powers. The majority of resources extracted were luxury things like spices and diamonds and shit. Cotton was the most useful colonial enterprise due to it's use in gunpowder but almost all of that was made in the USA which actually DID become a functional country (i wonder why?) The idea that the prosperity of the west is built on things they stole from the global shitholes of the world is one of the biggest lies ever told.

It also has been lost to history but the white man's burden was a big thing.
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Empathy, our greatest strength and our greatest weakness, told us we had to civilize these people at any costs. For their own good, because we saw things like this https://youtu.be/JI4uirwxx1Y?t=388

With the exception of possibly some parts of Asia, every single place that was touched by colonialism benefited drastically in the long run and short term, far more than Europe did from the "stolen" resources. That includes native Americans who are almost extinct. If you took any native American back in time and let them live like that for a day they would never choose to go back willingly.
without sharing any of the expertise with the locals, they may have left refinery's but not one university.
Unimaginable cope. The fucking machines were left sitting there. The textbooks were sitting there. They were desperately trying to teach them language other than maybe under Leopold's congo. Other civilizations managed to do this from the ground up starting with sticks and stones, why can none of these places manage to do it with a 2000 year head start? Can nobody reverse engineer the damn things?

Can you imagine if the ancient Greeks or Romans stumbled upon a fucking rifle? A steam engine? A printing press? Even a fucking fountain pen? They wouldn't have been able to make it immediately but with a proof of concept like that they wouldn't give up until they found a way.

The entire world owes Europe a massive debt and I say this as a pure blooded American who was Scottish before that (one of the few white nations that never colonized a damn thing unless the English forced us to) so i really take no genetic pride in being able to do it. England, Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, produced the human beings who created everything good about the modern world and to deny that is to live in fantasy land. Deep down every seething internet brownoid, every woke leftist, every college professor, knows this. But they will do everything they can to keep the cope going.
 
It's not weird. It's that they're hypocritical gatekeepers.

They demanded to be let in the door, and then closed the gates behind them on anyone who didn't "fit" their mold. Remember, Star Trek was always woke. (I nearly retched as I wrote that last part.)
I think that’s a flawed premise a lot of these lefty retards use. Star Trek in 1964 was not “woke.” It was just pro-civil rights.
Modern lefties avoid ever looking at the old Star Trek because it’s not progressive their eyes. Just because something isn’t racist for the time doesn’t mean it was woke or that it was pushing the same agenda they are today.
You saw the same shit with that awful animaniacs reboot. “We were always political!” Yes, you always made political and cultural jokes, but you weren’t hyper lefty and Republican bashing.

You can’t simultaneously claim something was always on your side but then alter the thing to fit your side. It’s one or the other.
 
I think that’s a flawed premise a lot of these lefty retards use. Star Trek in 1964 was not “woke.” It was just pro-civil rights.
Modern lefties avoid ever looking at the old Star Trek because it’s not progressive their eyes. Just because something isn’t racist for the time doesn’t mean it was woke or that it was pushing the same agenda they are today.
You saw the same shit with that awful animaniacs reboot. “We were always political!” Yes, you always made political and cultural jokes, but you weren’t hyper lefty and Republican bashing.

You can’t simultaneously claim something was always on your side but then alter the thing to fit your side. It’s one or the other.
Star Trek is set in a post-war post-scarcity society and you know what the prime directive is ? Do not interfere.

Yes that's right, the woke space hippie show tells you don't fucking interfere in a planet's interior conflicts or "uplift" civilizations

The last 30 years have been neoconservative -- ex leftists, mostly jews (at this point is there anyone who thinks it's not just Israel laundering its foreign policy?) who want wars in the middle to "set up democracy" and humanitarian interventionists like Samantha Power, Hillary, Susan Rice, who got us Syria, Libya and more dogshit wars from the "left-center"

Star Trek is very not woke in that interfering with a society that doesn't ask for your help is heavily discouraged, almost a taboo. We need to go back to that point and stuff every warhawk or crocodile tear bleeding heart leftist into a locker where they belong.


one of the few white nations that never colonized a damn thing unless the English forced us to
lmao the Scottish leapt at the chance to lead colonization, they lead most of the East India company and other fleets. The english didn't force them to do shit, remember it was the Scottish who actually united the crowns. If anything the Scottish were vastly overrepresented in colonial endeavours, probably because scotland itself kinda sucks to live in as a whole.
 
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I genuinely don’t understand how someone can think “post scarcity” is within the realm of possibility.

Scarcity existed before us, it’ll exist after us, shit it probably exists in heaven too. It’s universal. A fact of life. Natural law.

because if you're not retarded you understand that the green revolution happened and food is no longer scarce

post-scarcity is inevitable
 
>glances at my 2700x/1660 build that still works well enough for everything I play

No sense upgrading if it works for what you do. No way I can justify an upgrade, especially when I'm still gaming at 1080p lol

I've been running a Ryzen 5 5600 + RX 580 for the last 4 years. Been running pretty well for a what I do. I've got a PS5 for anything new that catches my eye. *Shrug*.
 
they lead most of the East India company and other fleets
As far as i'm concerned those are just brits with scottish ancestory. Scotland itself is a colonized civilization after william wallace's retarded chimpout.

I guess you could argue everything was a colony of rome but you get my point, i really don't even have much personal pride in the "white people did all the work" thing because none of those white people came from my bloodline, but i can still accept that said people were just fucking better for the world. Italy, France, Germany, Britain, Spain, and the various "offshoots" of them like Belgium and Austria and portugual are the nations that took the Roman miracle and turned it into various versions of something great, every other nation on earth should be grateful for what they accomplished.
 
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