Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

What are we thinkin, hoholbros?

Personally, I think he's right on the money.

I think he's definitely more right than wrong, but I think he's ascribing loftier designs to Putin than are probably going through his head, but "Russia is a great power or nothing at all" is probably why he hasn't gotten coup'd yet.

And I guess at the end of the day, the reasoning doesn't matter; Russia views Ukraine as their rightful satellite, like they do every other former SSR, and the war will continue until they are disabused of that notion.

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Something I notice:
The first clip has a tanker train as we'd expect, but the other two show drone strikes on boxcars.

Yeah I can see them actually doing it now, probably only the most offending/directly connected to Kremlin ones. 1 or 2 should be enough to scare the rest of them. And I don't think Kremlin can retaliate in the same manner because I don't think Kyiv is employing shills in the same manner as them

I think in the interests of fairness and global improvement, Ukraine budanovs Hinkle and Galloway, Russia is allowed to use whatever left over coldwar spy gadgets they to take out upto 4 NAFO members of their choice.

 

[Blackstar]

Ukrainian drone finds a Russian tank hiding and surrounded by ammo.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

And I guess at the end of the day, the reasoning doesn't matter; Russia views Ukraine as their rightful satellite, like they do every other former SSR, and the war will continue until they are disabused of that notion.

Ukraine's in a worse position than a satellite, similar to the Baltics and Poland - these were directly controlled by the Russian Empire prior to the USSR, which means an end goal of annexation. The Stans and Caucasus countries just need to be puppet states and given the USSR's experience with them in the end stage Putin no doubt prefers to keep them at arm's length.

I'd love to see Russia try to take on Poland though.

Especially with a population similar in size to Ukraine, an economy equal to 30% of Russia's GDP (vs. Ukraine's 10%), and some serious bad blood towards Russia that goes back generations.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Ukraine's in a worse position than a satellite, similar to the Baltics and Poland - these were directly controlled by the Russian Empire prior to the USSR, which means an end goal of annexation. The Stans and Caucasus countries just need to be puppet states and given the USSR's experience with them in the end stage Putin no doubt prefers to keep them at arm's length.

I'd love to see Russia try to take on Poland though.

Especially with a population similar in size to Ukraine, an economy equal to 30% of Russia's GDP (vs. Ukraine's 10%), and some serious bad blood towards Russia that goes back generations.

It begs the question why Russia wants these states to begin with.
I highly doubt the Baltics were crucial to Soviet success.
Ukraine was though, which is where this suicidal dedication to trying to destroy it comes from, I guess.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I highly doubt the Baltics were crucial to Soviet success.

They were crucial in certain ways. The Baltic SSRs were the most economically developed and home to technologically advanced industries and a more sophisticated industrial base. Because of this a lot was looted during the annexation, as "reparations" after WWII, as well as through direct budget transfers to the Soviet budget.

Part of the reason the independence movements there gained so much steam so quickly was the much more widespread availability and use of fax machines, teletype printers and computers.

Ukraine was though, which is where this suicidal dedication to trying to destroy it comes from, I guess.

Ukraine is the most valuable due to its enormous agricultural potential and ability to generate plenty of power to support heavy industries, as well as large deposits of coal, natural gas and other resources. As well as its strategically useful position on the Black Sea.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

The first clip has a tanker train as we'd expect, but the other two show drone strikes on boxcars.

It's all the same train. The boxcars are behind the on-fire tank cars in the second drone shot and the on-fire tank cars are present in the third. The boxcars probably have POL loaded at the same depot as the fuel.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Trump: "I'm not happy with what Putin is doing. He's killing a lot of people and I don't know what the hell happened to Putin. I've known him a long time ... we're in the middle of talking and he's shooting rockets into Kyiv and other cities. I don't like it at all. I'm surprised."

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Reporter: You mentioned you’re unhappy with Putin. You've talked before about putting more sanctions on Russia. Is that something you're considering?

Trump: Absolutely. He’s killing a lot of people. What the hell happened to him?

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[Ghostse]

It's all the same train. The boxcars are behind the on-fire tank cars in the second drone shot and the on-fire tank cars are present in the third. The boxcars probably have POL loaded at the same depot as the fuel.

The cars on fire in the 2nd and third clips look to be more boxcars, though its hard to tell through the IR.
of course that doesn't mean anything; Its common to have mixed car types n the same train.

Shame they didn't have drones with payloads able to hit the locomotive.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

It begs the question why Russia wants these states to begin with.
I highly doubt the Baltics were crucial to Soviet success.

Geographically the Baltics are important as they provide more coastal real estate and ports all the way to the Kaliningrad Oblast. As it is right now if NATO theoretically decides to, they can lock Russia out of even the Baltic Sea by setting the blockade between Estonia and Finland.

 

[-Jack-]

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It makes it funny that he keeps saying, "This would have never happened if I were president." Well, what's stopping you now? You're just letting him slowly take the land he wants. All talk and no bite.

 

[No. 7 cat]

unironically, the reclamation of the lost Soviet states. Failing that, exerting total influence on the political landscape of said states.
Once achieved, they will use these resources to torment Europe for reasons I cannot fathom.

https://tass.com/politics/1961499

One of Putin's advisor essentially said the USSR had not been legally dissolved, that it still legally exists, that a vote of the Congress of People's Deputies had not happened or was not done correctly according to procedure. A self identified conservative who supports Putin gargles more cum than Destiny.

 

[SBG]

It makes it funny that he keeps saying, "This would have never happened if I were president." Well, what's stopping you now? You're just letting him slowly take the land he wants. All talk and no bite.

It is strange messaging for him to act like he's powerless as president when he tries acting like he's such a powerful and influential figure. But then he is trying to avoid the political fallout from having his negotiations fail so badly with Russia.

He's getting questioned on Russia constantly and how little he's progressed wit his negotiations so he's taking the easy out of saying it's someone else's problem.

 

[-Jack-]

It is strange messaging for him to act like he's powerless as president when he tries acting like he's such a powerful and influential figure. But then he is trying to avoid the political fallout from having his negotiations fail so badly with Russia.

He's getting questioned on Russia constantly and how little he's progressed wit his negotiations so he's taking the easy out of saying it's someone else's problem.

Agreed, I'm also not going easy on Europe/UK either, they should be doing more, with or without the U.S, but sadly there is such a power vacuum when it comes to the US-Europe, we have all these American made /partially funded weapons we could be giving or using for Ukraine, but are not allowed to or won't.

Just a circle jerk of power projection and Ukraine is the only one not allowed to cum.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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The ride never ends...:

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[No. 7 cat]

https://bsky.app/profile/24hoursukraine.bsky.social/post/3lpz5pbyas22s

Three more victims of ziggers trying to remake the Soviet Union. Roman 17, Tamara 12, Stanislav 8. Forever young. They will not grow old. Murdered while sleeping.




Final tranch of 303 prisoners returned.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-brings-home-303-pows-in-final-phase-of-major-prisoner-swap-with-russia/

 

[-Jack-]

The ride never ends...:
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Fucking LOL. 'This is Bidens war'....sir, you're now the president, it is YOUR war. Fucking retard.

 

[Foltest]

Fucking LOL. 'This is Bidens war'....sir, you're now the president, it is YOUR war. Fucking retard.

but but but BIDEN!!!!!
If the orange man mention biden enough times, people will forget that he is the president and in charge.

 

[R00T]

Fucking LOL. 'This is Bidens war'....sir, you're now the president, it is YOUR war. Fucking retard.

It’s also Biden’s economy, and Biden’s immigration problem, and Biden’s gas prices, and Biden’s housing market.

Heck it seems like it might still be Biden’s presidency.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

https://tass.com/politics/1961499

One of Putin's advisor essentially said the USSR had not been legally dissolved, that it still legally exists, that a vote of the Congress of People's Deputies had not happened or was not done correctly according to procedure. A self identified conservative who supports Putin gargles more cum than Destiny.

Funnily enough, that's also the argument Russian sovereign citizens use when they claim to not be the subjects of Russian Federation
That's how retarded Putin is

The ride never ends...:
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Orange fatigue is real. It is the new black, after all...

 

[East_Clintwood]

BBC has a fascinating article up with a couple of ordinary Russians who chose to report on Russian army movements for Ukraine: https://archive.is/ZxQG9

It was shortly after Moscow annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 that Sergei and Tatyana Voronkov decided they would leave Russia.
The couple, who had long been critical of Vladimir Putin, had condemned the actions of Russia to friends and acquaintances. In response, they were told that if they didn't like it they could leave.
So the couple, both Russian citizens, decided to relocate to Ukraine, where Tatyana was born.
In 2019 they eventually settled in Novolyubymivka, a village of about 300 people in the south-eastern Zaporizhzhia region.
The couple got four dogs and started raising livestock, while Sergei, 55, also found work as a land surveyor – his specialism during his time in the Soviet army.
They hoped for a quiet life. But when Moscow launched its full scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the peace of their new lives was shattered by the first Russian rockets flying over their home.
"I heard something whistling, something flying, and I went outside," Tatyana, 52, recalls.
"A rocket was flying right over the house.
"I went on the internet to see what had happened and they wrote that Kyiv had already been bombed."
The couple quickly found themselves in occupied territory, and decided to become informants for Ukraine.
What followed was detention, interrogation, an escape into Europe – and a letter of thanks from the Ukrainian army.

The full thing is quite long so I'm not gonna quote it all here but I found it interesting both to see what ordinary people are willing to do for what they think is right, and for how fucking nonsensical the Russian response seems to have been.