Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[CheepMeds]

To be fair, that's basically how he resolved USA's tensions with North Korea, he got lucky with a nat 20 roll, leading to the first time in history that a US president set foot inside the Korean demilitarized zone. I recall that prompting a South Korean president at the time to state that Trump should receive the Nobel peace prize for that. So I think Donald thought that resolving the Ukraine war will be a similar cake walk - stir up some shit, which prompts the countries leaders to meet up with you and then everything's gonna solve itself out, with all the insults being bygones, get ready on a plane ticket to Stockholm to receive a medal for ending a war.

Just makes me think that the only way Russia will want the ride to end is after it gets to live like Best Korea 2.0. for like a decade.

 

[No. 7 cat]

He's 100% correct when he says US Negotiators are wildly out of their depth.

Trump seems averse in his second term to hiring anyone competent. The failed and inexperienced lawyer to head the EPA is the latest. The problem with non retards is that they might answer back. Witless Wikloff, the dimestore Trump, surely makes Putin snigger.

 

[Type 10 MBT]

* WW2 USA had principles: It did the same thing of only supplying equipment and entering the war only after being attacked by the Japanese.

I don't want to go too deep in to a history sperg rant but the U.S did far more than just supply weapons until pearl. The U.S did more pre-entry in to WW2 than the U.S is doing now with Ukraine. The U.S in 1940 pushed several buildup budget plans that increased the size of the military and shipbuilding industry. The reason the U.S was able to produce so much after the entry to WW2 was because they had a head start on production. things like the two navies act were passed to increase the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and retired army and airforce personnel were paid on a contract basis to act as advisers to the ROC and Chiang-kai shek's government. The U.S also seized Japanese owned property be it national or private including businesses as small as corner stores. Lend lease was huge and after the end of WW2 the ROC received several modern destroyers of both the Fletcher and Kidd class with a total of all Naval vessels acquired being 165 under the "China aid act". Fast forward to today and Ukraine doesn't get nearly as much in comparison and the U.S isn't nearly as pressed about arms buildups.

 

[Skylavijas]

Just makes me think that the only way Russia will want the ride to end is after it gets to live like Best Korea 2.0. for like a decade.

Well... more so after enough people that are zealously pro-war simply die off, leaving only pragmatists and opportunists behind. The people surviving the war will not be those that proudly go into kamikaze banzai charges, it will be those who are able to outwit and exploit the system. That includes military commanders as well, those who are able to make up bullshit, brownnose their superiors and are able to adapt to changing narrative will be substantially more likely to maintain their positions than rigid ideologues. This will breed a corrupt post-war class and underclass, as to them corruption will be just a mere means of survival, but these people will hold more common sense and accurate understanding of how truly broken their state is, over those that will get killed by being overly trusting of the system, which could bring about change. Not make Russia return back to being pro-western as it was in the 00s, but some kind of positive change, however minimal.

Not only that, but a gender imbalance of so many men dying will lead to women holding a more prominent lore within society, as was seen with the world wars, when way more women were hired into traditionally masculine fields, to fill the void of a lost productive force to manufacture construction materials and ammunition. Currently they outnumber the men in Russia by 10 million and also tend to live 10 years longer on average as well (source). Meaning, that any man surviving the war will die much earlier due to poor coping mechanisms and lifestyle diseases like smoking or alcoholism, while all the widows, to whom the war brought nothing but pain, will get to live much longer and be active within society for longer.

Unless Russia institutes some insane reform like polygamy or decides to sign a mail-order bride contract with China, I have no clue how it will keep such demographic of women under control, since... how can you force a woman to adopt traditional values and lifestyle when there's literally not enough men for them to marry to have kids with? "Go back to the kitchen" whose fucking kitchen will they go to!? Will they be making sandwiches for ghosts? They'll be forced to live non-traditionally, by needing to find work to support themselves and what remains of their families. And you can't exactly silence them by threatening them with violence or giving them draft papers as you could with the men either, without causing some sort of public uproar. I anticipate the demographic collapse within Russia will manifest by the country sharply transitioning from being a patriarchal to a matriarchal society after Putin's time is over, as traditional lifestyles and values collapse due to the sheer number of widows and boys raised in single parent households.

 

[CheepMeds]

@Skylavijas
I've generally now view history through a Ted-pilled lens where after West industrialized wars have been a strong dysgenic selector against physical health and masculinity.
Which is why Europe sadly finds itself where it is today. However, ever since Russia got hit with Leninism, it has probably been speed-running it's descent with their very high casualty rate military doctrines. It just hasn't been exposed to industrialization and enlightenment for as long as Europe, but I think it has already made a significant dent on the physical health of it's general population (that and vodka).

So I can believe the "Long-housing" that you describe could be coming too. I believe it did already happen to Germany after the World Wars and I kinda expect something similar in Russia if an anti-war cultural narrative sets in.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

WSJ article link.

Xitter source.
Financial Times article link.

WSJ article link.

The UTAC team, in cooperation with the Air Force, used F-16s to hit ground targets in the Kursk region with American GBU guided bombs.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Euros won't ever be happy even if they fought to the last American.

 

[Skylavijas]

I've generally now view history through a Ted-pilled lens where after West industrialized wars have been a strong dysgenic selector against physical health and masculinity.

Not... exactly? Ever since the ancient era, most states would recruit men exclusively into military ranks and some rulers recognized a weakness in that. In the old testament you see an account how once the jews made it out of Egypt to conquer Judea, they slaughtered all the men, married into all the women and made children into slaves. Utilizing "genealogical warfare" is not a new tactic by any means. I guess it's a lot more noticeable in 20th century, because human populations in general became much larger, which includes the amount of manpower available, making any gender population gaps coming out from post-war era much more noticeable.

Also, "survival of the fittest" isn't just about physical fitness, but all the features at the creature's disposal, including wisdom and intelligence. Not only that, but fitness is also determined by outside factors like geography or climate. If a penguin is unfit to survive an Australian outback, that isn't necessarily down to it being weak or stupid, it's just that on a physiological level their body cannot endure so much heat. Same is true for humans, if you take the average office worker and place them to live with tribesmen on north Sentinelese island, they likely will not survive such environment and be unfit. Does being unfit to live among tribal savages make the person weak or dumb? Not at all. You could be jacked like a truck, healthy like a baby, but it means absolutely nothing if you end up eating poisonous berries, that cause you to shit out your organs. However, if you were to take one of those tribals and placed them in front of a computer to make an excel sheet, they'd also be utterly unfit to operate in such environment. Very frequently things are unfit to live simply because they're born at the wrong place at the wrong time, even if they come with blessed genetics... if they even have an opportunity to be born that is. Nature is cruel like that.

What matters the most here is I say not genetics, but wisdom. Yes, genetics play a factor, but at the end of a day, a fat bastard that decides to get his shit together, proceed to exercise and eat healthier, will always be better than the fat bastard that's blessed with faster metabolism or the right body type to hypothetically become a wrestler, but who doesn't put in any sort of effort in realizing their potential. Needless to say, the fat bastard who got thin will be a better father both literally and in a context of biological health, over the fat bastard blessed with good genetics, that lets such features atrophy and not develop any discipline.

 

[Rezza]

But it seems like even Trump is starting to realize what kind of unreasonable psychopath Putin truly is and that another moment of exceptional luck will not manifest here. That is scary to think about, that Trump had an easier time meeting up personally with a North Korean dictator then president of Russia. That can't be a good precedent in foreign politics.

It needs to be said that despite the usual nork shenanigans, Kim Jong Un grew up and was educated in the west. That's why he loves basketball. Even his father was known to have such a great love for cinema especially the western one that it was said he secretly directed several of their propaganda movies

Putin on the other hand, was a 100% product of Soviet society and education. It is not that much of a insane of an idea that the Kim might be more of a normal adjusted person than Putin simply because of this difference in upbringing

 

[Skylavijas]

It needs to be said that despite the usual nork shenanigans, Kim Jong Un grew up and was educated in the west. That's why he loves basketball. Even his father was known to have such a great love for cinema especially the western one that it was said he secretly directed several of their propaganda movies

Putin on the other hand, was a 100% product of Soviet society and education. It is not that much of a insane of an idea that the Kim might be more of a normal adjusted person than Putin simply because of this difference in upbringing

You may be unto something here. I do recall learning about film productions of North Korean films, that were directed by people who were kidnapped from South Korea, and the bizarre fact I learned was the that Jong Ill treated these people as his best friends, a sort of reverse Stockholm syndrome, because they were the only people he could be blunt and honest with. Even going so far as admitting to them that he detested the role of being worshipped as a god, but saw it as a necessity to keep the regime going. I can't fathom how lonely must that make one feel... You have the whole country to yourself, but nobody to play ball with, at least not in a sense of there being any threat of you losing.

While yeah... Putin ever since his youth was bred to be an asset of the state. From red pioneers to the KGB, he never really experienced western culture as anything else but alien or foreign. He holds no attachment to it.

 

[No. 7 cat]

while all the widows, to whom the war brought nothing but pain, will get to live much longer and be active within society for longer.

Many, but there's a class of SMO professional widows who marry a contractor who dies, they get the resulting payments, rinse and repeat. Now they can show the latest iPhone off on the banned but easily accessible Instagram and be an influencer.

 

[CheepMeds]

...Utilizing "genealogical warfare" is not a new tactic by any means...

That is very interesting, but as of now I still assume this kind of phenomena happened in more isolated examples in olden times as oppose to the globally uniform environmental change that modern life has synchronized on much wider human populations.

Also, "survival of the fittest" isn't just about physical fitness...

I am well aware what "survival of the fittest" means. I'm sure the best software engineers are very "fit" to be in their high IQ positions, but many that aren't genetically pre-disposed to run and lift as much as a soldier I would not call "Phyisically healthy".
The more modern societies outsource physical labor to technology, the less I see selection for biological physical ability. Blue collar workers seems like the most hopeful example - they reproduce somewhat consistently and their physical health goes well with their work, but they are often a class that is looked down by the larger modern society and are first to get drafted.

What has been constant in history is that the most reproductive classes have always been in the agriculture and farm work definitely is helped by a good physical condition. However, modern society has done everything to minimize the human participation in the agricultural sector. That is why the most reproductive people in US are generally the Amish.

Now here comes Russia tanking it's civil economy then switching to a "war economy" where the best paying physical labor is to go to the front and get blown up by a flying tech gizmo.

What matters the most here is I say not genetics, but wisdom...

Yes, I agree that both genes and memes (and even diet) matter for societal health. I probably think genes matter more than you. For one while genes aren't as malleable as new cultural ideas and standards, a degradation in the gene pool has muuuuch more lasting and permanent consequence even if the effects are passive. Which is why I really am not a fan of large industrial scale warfare that Russia seems to base it's whole culture around.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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[Foltest]

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Come on you orange fuck, do something!

 

[CheepMeds]

Gosh, if Trump really doesn't want to appear to his base that he is "wasting US tax dollars" on a "pointless war". Can't he just turn US military support to Ukraine into a "subscription model" for EU? US companies really seem to like those.
EU just allocated a good amount of money for such things. He could now make a tiered subscription plans - like "The Regular Biden plan" or the more expensive "The Pro TZD plan".
I was told he was a good salesmen.

 

[Dana scully]

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Putin puppet threatening to go nuclear in response

https://x.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1927427723028238477

Negotiating with Russia is as helpless as negotiating with Iran. These countries just bully everyone around them to go nuclear if they don’t get what they want.
The only way Russia will agree to something if their economy takes a big hit with real repercussions and people start protesting in the streets.

 

[Skylavijas]

Many, but there's a class of SMO professional widows who marry a contractor who dies, they get the resulting payments, rinse and repeat. Now they can show the latest iPhone off on the banned but easily accessible Instagram and be an influencer.

That's weirdly similar to how women became prominent landlords in Sparta, unlike most other Greek city states. All the men, including their brothers and husbands, would go out to die in constant wars Sparta would get itself in, to sustain it's slave economy, leading to the women inheriting entire family estates. And they could remarry multiple times, acquiring even more property in the process. I think one estimated figure was that at around the start of the city's decline, women owned 40% of the property. Although in this instance, they never acquired official political power and the city just declined into irrelevance.

This of course should be prefaced with the fact that Sparta in general was an anomaly within the ancient world and should not be taken as the standard on the norms of that time, but it still serves as a cautionary tale in modern warfare, that men, including great men, are finite, not infinite. In the case of Russia, it should be even worse than after WW2, since under USSR at least nearly all property was state property, which ensured that stuff like widows gaining inheritance from 5 different spouses would never happen.

TLDR, the sims marriage strat in obtaining property works IRL.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

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So the orange cuck is just outright admitting that he's giving favors to a hostile foreign state at no benefit to the US or its allies by preventing any retaliatory and defensive actions against Russia? Nixon had to resign over less.

 

[Ghostse]

Nigga cmon, be reasonable. You can't excuse all of the president's failures by just pointing at Biden. Trump thought he could end a war by just telling both sides to cut that shit out. It wasn't that easy and now he's turned his eye to other issues leaving Ukrainians and Russians to murder each other. It's a stereotype to be elected into office, fail at solving a foreign issue that you thought was simple, and then try to forget about your failures by focusing on dumber, domestic problems while blaming your predecessor. It's nothing new and Trump is just another incompetent politician in a long line of idiots.

Again, he's been back in the seat about four months and got dropped into a shit situation he didn't care about it. It took Biden 3 years and making it someone else's problem before his puppeteers managed to finally get shit in gear. Economic strangulation doesn't work so well when Europe (primarily Turkey but the EU as well) has inserted a breathing tube into Russia's windpipe and keeps pumping oxygen.
(China and India too but they aren't trying to claim this is the US' problem to solve)

We all know the right solution is the usual dictator response of moscow fly-overs and tomahawking dachas. But I'm not going to lose my mind over it taking time especially when we're finally getting movement in the right direction.

No one was in here melting down about Biden. I'm still waiting on the Euroqueer contingent to make posts blasting Scholz for holding up aid.

It needs to be said that despite the usual nork shenanigans, Kim Jong Un grew up and was educated in the west. [ ... ] Putin on the other hand, was a 100% product of Soviet society and education.

That's a solid point.

I don't want to go too deep in to a history sperg rant but the U.S did far more than just supply weapons until pearl. The U.S did more pre-entry in to WW2 than the U.S is doing now with Ukraine. The U.S in 1940 pushed several buildup budget plans that increased the size of the military and shipbuilding industry. The reason the U.S was able to produce so much after the entry to WW2 was because they had a head start on production. things like the two navies act were passed to increase the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and retired army and airforce personnel were paid on a contract basis to act as advisers to the ROC and Chiang-kai shek's government. The U.S also seized Japanese owned property be it national or private including businesses as small as corner stores. Lend lease was huge and after the end of WW2 the ROC received several modern destroyers of both the Fletcher and Kidd class with a total of all Naval vessels acquired being 165 under the "China aid act". Fast forward to today and Ukraine doesn't get nearly as much in comparison and the U.S isn't nearly as pressed about arms buildups.

US was also economically sanctioning Japan as well.

WSJ article link.

Took longer than it should have but we're finally getting there.

Xitter source.
Financial Times article link.

That will be some real shit if it goes through.
Eurosisters, I hope you are ready.

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Challenge Level: Damage Russia than Putin & 70 years of Communism already have.

Euros won't ever be happy even if they fought to the last American.

And they'll be insufferable about the last American wasn't sufficient happy to die while they kept supplying the other side.

Just makes me think that the only way Russia will want the ride to end is after it gets to live like Best Korea 2.0. for like a decade.

They're already half way there and no one is trying to coup Putin; the last guy who got close just wanted to be the new Defense Minister.
I think shitting in a bucket and getting a package of toilet paper every time a relative dies in a golfcart assault is sitting fine with a majority of Russians, just so long as they can larp about being globally important.

I've actually seen it work in one incident with traffic police (there's dashcam footage somewhere), who eventually decided it was more trouble than it's worth and let the dude go. I'm not entirely sure the driver was serious, but he had the whole spiel rehearsed and just drowned cop in so much bullshit he gave up... even had his old USSR passport with him, which he promptly shoved into policeman's face along with the barrage of plausibly sounding nonsense
It was great

This is how it "works" in the US too - mostly its just being more hassle than you're worth. There was some good bodycam footage I saw of a Texas shift supervisor who knew all the SovCit bullshit and was 100% ready to debunk it.
My favorite ones are where they try it in a state where the police ARE allowed to detain them and their brains flame out as their magic spell doesn't work.
"AM I BEING DETAINED?"
"Yes."
"AM I BEING DETAINED? AM I FREE TO LEAVE?"
"No, I am detaining you"
"..... AM I BEING DETAINED?"

Why are you completely unable to criticize and be critical of Donald Trump?

I just said its only been 4 months but he hasn't done anything. I'm not going to performatively fling my shit like you TDS asylum escapees.
Let me know when you've got your polemic against Scholz and Orban ready to go.

Your people are at fault for this, somehow.

This but unironically.

The Jew false flag 10/7 attacks redirected weapons shipments from Ukraine, all part of the Jews' reptillian plan to maximize Goy casualties and import more muslims in to a previously nearly all Christian area to ensure the goys are divided and infighting.
/sneed. I shouldn't have to add a /sneed here but I know I have to.

 

[No. 7 cat]

source

RT mocks Trump, but the point is apt. Trump has some outburst, emotional overload as Putin called it, and the threats are forgotten, or just lamely repeated.