AI Art Seething General

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Guy spergs out over someone with ALS using AI to allow himself to keep speaking using his own voice. Goes so crazy that even bleeding-heart liberals in the server call him out for his stupidity.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Oh boy, more seething over ZUN using AI:

I have a fair few Japanese artist friends. Every single one of them would agree that yes their fair use laws are fucking retarded. I have tried to pay them a fairly large amount to draw for me but they refuse for legal reasons. They would love to draw shit for me but legally can't. The average American artist would die if they had to deal with Japanese copyright. There's a reason Nintendo is how it is. But idk bitching about tight copyright laws in a situation that is retarded but understandable and bitching about AI in the same breath is a level of hypocrisy and lack of self awareness that only a redditor could achieve.

Guy spergs out over someone with ALS using AI to allow himself to keep speaking using his own voice. Goes so crazy that even bleeding-heart liberals in the server call him out for his stupidity.

Or a discord user.

I don't understand why you'd be pissed about AI in healthcare. There was that one story about an image classification AI that some Japanese bread store made to identify bread being reused to scan for cancers. It's not worth the breath to say anything about how important catching cancers early is, anyone with an even slightly functional brain (read not a discord user) knows that. And honestly from experience with GPs I would much rather trust chatGPT for that anyway. Obviously I wouldn't trust it to make a diagnosis but I wouldn't trust a GP either. They can easily forget things or not realise a niche or a combination of common symptoms are part of something more serious, whereas some AI wouldn't. The whole having a headache could be a sign of brain cancer or just a headache type shit.

Actually you know what nah, fuck the disabled. Where can I buy those police spike strip things I want to go glue them on every disabled ramp in the city. Clearly his name was stephen hawkin because we were meant to euthanise the spastic and feed him to hawks. So sick of them being able to sit down all the time, I'm not respecting the lazy cunts until they can leg press at least 100kg I don't give a shit if they're 'paralysed' or whatever woke bullshit they've come up with that day.

 

[linchan]

Guy spergs out over someone with ALS using AI to allow himself to keep speaking using his own voice. Goes so crazy that even bleeding-heart liberals in the server call him out for his stupidity.
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These people don't actually care about being able to own the extensions of your body, they care about how it misaligned with their ideals of society. They are effectively socialists who don't believe at all in property rights despite their constant appeal to IP laws.

 

[weirdMcGee]

I noticed most anti-ai folks are progressive in nature yet paradoxically hate the very tech that brought to existence Trans and NBs and other associated identities. Why must they fight progress despite being for progress? Without tech, how else will they sperg with their fellow failures of society?

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I noticed most anti-ai folks are progressive in nature yet paradoxically hate the very tech that brought to existence Trans and NBs and other associated identities. Why must they fight progress despite being for progress? Without tech, how else will they sperg with their fellow failures of society?

Cognitive dissonance is a thing, as strange as it is. That is to say - I wish I knew.

 

[linchan]

I noticed most anti-ai folks are progressive in nature yet paradoxically hate the very tech that brought to existence Trans and NBs and other associated identities. Why must they fight progress despite being for progress? Without tech, how else will they sperg with their fellow failures of society?

They tend to be religiously pro-covid policy, and pro-vaxx. But the for some reason hate AI being used even in medical contexts.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

I noticed most anti-ai folks are progressive in nature yet paradoxically hate the very tech that brought to existence Trans and NBs and other associated identities. Why must they fight progress despite being for progress? Without tech, how else will they sperg with their fellow failures of society?

Because most of them aren't actually progressive, they're just reddit autists. They don't hold these beliefs because they genuinely believe them, they hold them because each one has been groomed into them alongside the autism itself. They didn't look at the world and decide on something, they looked at a reddit post and decided on that instead. When you allow your world view to be decided by individual reddit posts like that then you aren't forming any real set of beliefs, you're forming individual ones glued together without thought. It's the same reason that lets the pro lgbtqahageher people support hamas, the pro muslim people call themselves feminists or the anti fascist hate israel. They don't have a belief system or any internal thoughts, they have several opinions they picked up from r/all that week and never interacted with what that means on any deeper level. They don't need to worry about hypocrisy or paradoxical beliefs, someone on reddit will have already churned out a response that they can memorise word for word to regurgitate when criticised, if they even have the maturity to hear you out when you call them a hypocrite.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

They tend to be religiously pro-covid policy, and pro-vaxx. But the for some reason hate AI being used even in medical contexts.

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

 

[linchan]

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

If they shared that level of skepticism in all of the medical field they'd have a point but these are highly "trust the science" people who makes exception to AI because its trendy to do so. These are the same people who think that covid didn't implement strict enough policy and want to arrest people for leaving their homes for any reason.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

Is relying on some paki that half the time couldn't sound less interested in your health not just as bad? If you can double the quality of a GP's training and cut out all the shit ones, just use AI to help the good doctors to work twice as fast, twice as fast but half as many. That would be much better than the current system. You're also not relying on AI, you'd still need a qualified doctor to check everything and it's not like chatgpt is going to be the one doing cpr in the emergency room. It'll be for speeding up the paperwork, analysing scans quicker, doing the shit that doctors need to do but you don't need to be a doctor to do them. Any medical AI would also not just be chatgpt, it'll be something either specially designed or modified far enough to be a completely new thing anyway.

 

[linchan]

Is relying on some paki that half the time couldn't sound less interested in your health not just as bad?

To be fair I feel reassured there is a human pilot on board on a flight, even if the automated system in the plane is vastly more safer than if the human were driving it. It's a bit irrational to put more trust in a human than a statistically more effective mechanism but I do want to have back ups for back ups.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

Medical AI is mostly being used for diagnosis based on x-ray/ct/mri/etc. results these days, and as such it's no more of a direct risk than you might incur with a human analyst. In fact, AI is arguably (read: definitely but people don't like it) much better at interpreting scan results than a human is, especially if a human is put at the end of the process to double-check everything and make sure it makes sense. Really, most "professional" use cases for AI are supposed to have a human at the end but execs (boomers) are idiots and think it's a magic machine like the star trek computer back in the 90s so they shouldn't have to pay someone to make sure everything's done right.

But, you know, being able to catch cancer before it's too late to stop or accurately diagnose and treat obscure diseases without forcing a patient through years of testing and dozens of specialists pales in comparison to the moral superiority of not supporting a technology because it makes shitty pornslop that puts the bottom rung of furry fetish artists out of business. Choosing not to prevent extensive and ongoing human suffering is a small price to pay so that degenerates can charge $200 for a crayon drawing of an anthropomorphic rabbit shitting into the mouth of a dragon while ejaculating, at least according to anti-AI purists. But don't you ever refuse a clot shot, goyim.

 

[Runch]

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

All that matters is success rate. If a real doctor fucks up 15% of the time and AI fucks up 10% of the time, AI would be better. It doesn't feel as good trusting something important to AI, but that could be an irrational fear. Like people who are afraid of flying even when it's statistically one of the safer ways to travel.

It's likely that the best success rate will be AI reviewed by humans.

In fact, AI is arguably (read: definitely but people don't like it) much better at interpreting scan results than a human is

Although, there is apparently evidence that AI can mistakenly learn to diagnose things based on spurious evidence in x-rays.

http://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11192466/

To simplify the idea, imagine that a high percentage of people in San Francisco have lung cancer, so if the x-ray ID in the corner is associated with San Francisco, the AI is likely to just say "yeah you have lung cancer" rather than basing it on what the actual x-ray shows.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Although, there is apparently evidence that AI can mistakenly learn to diagnose things based on spurious evidence in x-rays.

especially if a human is put at the end of the process to double-check everything and make sure it makes sense

Also this is user error, they shouldn't be giving the machine extraneous information. Actually, they should be forcing the machine to produce several results with different levels of context to then be analyzed by a human professional.

 

[AnOminous]

If AI messes up even images, let alone animation, then would not relying on AI when people's lives are on the line be deadly?

It's pretty good for basic research like solving complicated issues like the protein folding problem (extremely important for cancer and other pharma research).

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

Not to mention AI is used in nearly all forms of simulation used in Engineering and other aspects of life like projected weather radar. The "trick" just like any Tool is how you use it to help you achieve a greater goal. Honestly, that's probably why people are tired of AI Art gens because the people posting them do so without a single bit of modification or guidance.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

CorridorDigital (one of the people who started experimenting with AI first with their AI Anime) Got an artist for the second episode.

There was also Love Letter to LA, where they had the animators work with the AI on pretty much every step:

You actually get better results with an artist, because you can fine tune the models with the help of the artists themselves instead of relying on whatever you can scrape and confusing the model with junk images. But the companies refuse to do this because the end result they want is all the zeroes on the balance sheet rubbed off, not more efficency or a better product.

This is another exceptional use of both the traditional 3d workflow merged with AI.

After "Very Noise", we explored the possibilities of AI for this new Igorrr music video: "ADHD". We embraced almost all existing tools, both proprietary and open source, diverting and mixing them with our 3D tools. This video is a symbolic journey into an experimental therapy for treating a patient with ADHD, brimming with nods to "Very Noise".

We know the use of AI in art might be polemic right now, plus we with Meat Dept actually started the clip in 3D, like we did for Very Noise, but at some point we were laughing so hard trying to do creepy things in AI that the clip ended as a mix of both technologies. The music, however, is 100% homemade.

It is also where I got my pfp. But I really wish more artists would go in this direction and actually use the tools to create something cool or bizarre with it. Hell, just create anything.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

It is also where I got my pfp. But I really wish more artists would go in this direction and actually use the tools to create something cool or bizarre with it. Hell, just create anything.

I'm pretty much onthe same page. My annoyance with AI is 0% an existential freakout of what is art and 100% annoyance at people who think that the first result of midjourney is a great idea to spam 100 times over the internet.

Another 50% goes to the people that essentially see this new tool as undervaluing, or straight up killing the need to learn the traditional methods. Time and effort spent into learning is never wasted. My time in Woodprinting class taught me ways to be a better digital artist. That applies no matter what tool or method you end up using, and that includes using generative AI.

 

[𖦹Junkpop𖦹]

Another 50% goes to the people that essentially see this new tool as undervaluing, or straight up killing the need to learn the traditional methods. Time and effort spent into learning is never wasted. My time in Woodprinting class taught me ways to be a better digital artist. That applies no matter what tool or method you end up using, and that includes using generative AI.

It’s gonna kill the entire creative field and possibly the internet. Look at Google veo 3. How the hell are you going to get attention as a human artist, animator, musician, actor, etc when the entire internet and streaming services are filled to the brim with quickly churned out indistinguishable AI content? It’s been happening on TikTok with fake music and video. It’s gonna happen everywhere soon.

Yeah it’s a tool as the nuclear bomb is. The people pushing this want the cheapest/faster way possible and that’s where this is headed. Google also has created their own ai music platform. It’s over. Not just for the creative field either.

And before you niggas pull some of the hypothetical medical benefits I’m fully aware. Giving people with cerbal palsy/ALS the ability to communicate is beautiful. But at the same time a lot of people who need that type of thing aren’t gonna get it.

Look at big pharmaceutical/health insurance companies. The pursuit of profits and control go beyond all else. The people at the top would never allow a world without scarcity.

It’s why we’re not getting a world without copyright, IP, or patents either. Not even these AI companies want that. They benefit from that shit just as much as Disney and other mega corps.

 

[Skeletonized Cow]

It’s gonna kill the entire creative field and possibly the internet. Look at Google veo 3. How the hell are you going to get attention as a human artist, animator, musician, actor, etc when the entire internet and streaming services are filled to the brim with quickly churned out indistinguishable AI content? It’s been happening on TikTok with fake music and video. It’s gonna happen everywhere soon.

Yeah it’s a tool as the nuclear bomb is. The people pushing this want the cheapest/faster way possible and that’s where this is headed. Google also has created their own ai music platform. It’s over. Not just for the creative field either.

If you actually believe this, you're retarded.