Mega Rad Gun Thread

[DocAwe]

It won't matter how long the barrel is.
The real future of warfare is going to be drones.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

It won't matter how long the barrel is.
The real future of warfare is going to be drones.

the ruskies and ukies are just using drones as a replacement for massed artillery and air support, neither of which both sides have in significant numbers.

a few days ago I saw somewhere a bit of news stating something to the order that most casualties the Ukrainians are suffering now are from drones. most people took that to mean drones are the future and terminators are real. What i took from it is that they can't afford using their artillery on the tactical level anymore.

 

[Foley]

It won't matter how long the barrel is.
The real future of warfare is going to be drones.

I mean I guess if we are talking about golf ball sized autonomous drones that fly next to a person and explode next to their ear, yea sure. Might as well get rid of all the militaries at that point.

As of right now, drones are very much like artillery. And they are used in place of artillery, because Ukrainians lack shells, and Russians lack effective ways of using their artillery. But countermeasures will be developed. And until we actually have real droids doing the fighting for us, there will be infantry taking ground, and they need firearms.

What i took from it is that they can't afford using their artillery on the tactical level anymore.

A combination of the lack of artillery ammunition and equipment, the lack of skill, and the way that the battlefield has staled and it's mostly small skirmishes that are more efficient to deal with using drones than artillery (which either side can't utilize to its full potential).

Soviet artillery is not efficient. It works, because they have a shit ton of guns and shitload of shells. Their artillery tactics are still very much WW2 based, which were outdated even at that time. Now both sides are running out of that equipment. Russia had to use North Korean shells ffs. Drones are a cheaper way to deliver precision strikes, on a battlefield that is mostly skirmishes these days. I guess we are going to see a bit more traditional artillery footage in the coming weeks, as Russia is gearing up for their summer offensive. Means larger waves, more use for traditional artillery.

 

[DocAwe]

the ruskies and ukies are just using drones as a replacement for massed artillery and air support, neither of which both sides have in significant numbers.

a few days ago I saw somewhere a bit of news stating something to the order that most casualties the Ukrainians are suffering now are from drones. most people took that to mean drones are the future and terminators are real. What i took from it is that they can't afford using their artillery on the tactical level anymore.

I mean I guess if we are talking about golf ball sized autonomous drones that fly next to a person and explode next to their ear, yea sure. Might as well get rid of all the militaries at that point.

As of right now, drones are very much like artillery. And they are used in place of artillery, because Ukrainians lack shells, and Russians lack effective ways of using their artillery. But countermeasures will be developed. And until we actually have real droids doing the fighting for us, there will be infantry taking ground, and they need firearms.

A combination of the lack of artillery ammunition and equipment, the lack of skill, and the way that the battlefield has staled and it's mostly small skirmishes that are more efficient to deal with using drones than artillery (which either side can't utilize to its full potential).

Soviet artillery is not efficient. It works, because they have a shit ton of guns and shitload of shells. Their artillery tactics are still very much WW2 based, which were outdated even at that time. Now both sides are running out of that equipment. Russia had to use North Korean shells ffs. Drones are a cheaper way to deliver precision strikes, on a battlefield that is mostly skirmishes these days. I guess we are going to see a bit more traditional artillery footage in the coming weeks, as Russia is gearing up for their summer offensive. Means larger waves, more use for traditional artillery.

I Should have elaborated more.
What I mean is the small arm won't matter that much.
The bulk of the fighting is going to be done with smart munitions and remotely controlled vehicles.
There will always be a need for boots on the ground to hold taken land, but the weapons they carry won't be that important in the grand scheme of things so long as it's reliable.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

What I mean is the small arm won't matter that much.

small arms have not mattered all that much in at least 200 years. they lost prominence arguably in the Napoleonic wars but certainly took a backseat by the US civil war, during which artillery had forced both sides into trenches by the end of the war. after approximately the 1870s easily 2/3 to 3/4 of casualties in peer conflicts have been from artillery. a artillery shell and gun are cheaper than drones in the long run too.

here is a diagram of artillery disposition during the battle of Gettysburg. this artillery duel was the largest in the western hemisphere and was heard as far off as Washington D.C

 

[Foley]

What I mean is the small arm won't matter that much.
The bulk of the fighting is going to be done with smart munitions and remotely controlled vehicles.
There will always be a need for boots on the ground to hold taken land, but the weapons they carry won't be that important in the grand scheme of things so long as it's reliable.

Yea well, that has been true for what, like 170 years? @Romulus augustulus gave you an example from the US civil war, and another one from the same time period was the Austro-Prussian war. That's literally the last time small arms won battles, as Prussians had their breach-loading Dreyses against muzzle loaders from the Austrians. Ever since then, it has been other factors.

Doesn't mean, that we shouldn't strive towards giving soldiers the best equipment for them to survive on their mission. It might give an edge to that one soldier, who has an impact on a firefight, which lends to and impact on a bigger battle. It probably boosts their morale that they have equipment that they trust and like.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

as Prussians had their breach-loading Dreyses against muzzle loaders from the Austrians. Ever since then, it has been other factors.

Even that didn't matter much. Brett Gibbons of the paper cartridges channel on youtube goes into extreme autistic detail on the musketry of the austro-prussian war.

 

[Laminated Flooring Panel]

a few days ago I saw somewhere a bit of news stating something to the order that most casualties the Ukrainians are suffering now are from drones. most people took that to mean drones are the future and terminators are real. What i took from it is that they can't afford using their artillery on the tactical level anymore.

It is the spot where we are currently. In Ukraine we have went from 2022 mechanised SPGs shooting and scooting and towed guns traditionally in battery to point where towed guns were vulnerable due to counterbattery fires.

But now towed guns have found a sweet spot in fortified emplacements with netting and camouflage as SPGs while moving are too vulnerable to FPVs or Lancets and massed fires can be treatened by fiber optic FPVs. Until either side can break this stalemate, the action will be centered around individual guns operating.

There's a Twitter thread that touches upon this from Nexter regarding CAESAR. Of course it is marketing talk, but couple interesting points can be found from there.

https://x.com/JakOSpades/status/1925932364418461907

 

[Clostridium Botulinum]

It won't matter how long the barrel is.
The real future of warfare is going to be drones.

This is why I carry a shotgun as part of my kit. I have a remington 887 nitromag with steel no7 shotshells.

Speaking of shotguns, this is how I have my shotgun set up:

* 7+ 1 in the gun. First 2 shots are rifled slugs. (Basically extended version of Neal protocol)

* 3 Esstac 5 rd shotgun cards loaded Slug, 00, 00, 00, 00. One on stock of gun, one on PC, one in pack.

* 1 shotgun card for specialty applications (1 Pyro, 4 No7 for drones.

* extra slugs, buck, and no. 7 in the pack. Not too much because it's heavy as shit

 

[NeonFlux]

The friendly Afghan Vet I got my CCW from 2-3 years ago got bought out by his competitor and moved away. Hope he's doing well.

 

[Seafarer]

US Thread 'Facing a wave of P320 lawsuits, Sig Sauer asked for immunity. NH lawmakers granted it.'

May 30, 2025

(Article) | (Archive)​

New Hampshire Public Radio | By Todd Bookman​

Published May 28, 2025 at 4:28 PM EDT
Dan Tuohy

The new law has drawn pushback from people who've been injured from unintentional firings of their Sig Sauer pistols.​

Back in April, in a nearly empty room at the New Hampshire State House, Bobby Cox, an executive with gunmaker Sig Sauer, had come with a request.

He said his company, one of the biggest gun manufacturers in the country and a major employer on New Hampshire’s Seacoast, needed protection. Specifically, Sig...

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[Pretend To Imagine]

US Thread 'Facing a wave of P320 lawsuits, Sig Sauer asked for immunity. NH lawmakers granted it.'

May 30, 2025

(Article) | (Archive)​

New Hampshire Public Radio | By Todd Bookman​

Published May 28, 2025 at 4:28 PM EDT
Dan Tuohy

The new law has drawn pushback from people who've been injured from unintentional firings of their Sig Sauer pistols.​

Back in April, in a nearly empty room at the New Hampshire State House, Bobby Cox, an executive with gunmaker Sig Sauer, had come with a request.

He said his company, one of the biggest gun manufacturers in the country and a major employer on New Hampshire’s Seacoast, needed protection. Specifically, Sig...

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Siggers gonna Sig.

 

[Gurney Halleck]

I really liked my P229, had a P320 and was planning on getting a P365 but I just kept losing faith in Sig and how they were handling this mounting fiasco. I finally got rid of my P320 a couple of weeks before the 'It ends today' meltdown and I won't be looking back at anything they make unless they do a complete 180 and publicly purge Ron Cohen. It's become blatantly obvious that the P320 should've stayed as a prototype or proof of concept and wasn't ready for mass adoption, it and the remaining owners still defending it are basically the shitbull/shitbull owners of the handgun world at this point.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Good enough for Duke Nukem, good enough for autistic goobers like us. (I'm way to poor to ever own one though.)

It looks cool in movies and has an interesting bolt system but it's not practical. Reminds me of the Mars pistol that preceded it decades before.

Don't get me wrong, .50 AE is no slouch but it's not something I'd choose first for a variety of reasons.

Besides, the pistol in DN3D resembles the Glock 17 more than anything else.

 

[likeacrackado]

B&T is suing Surefire over their mounting system:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKS78SQuAWB/

https://archive.ph/qr0nv

I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent issue with "out of spec"(according to B&T) Surefire muzzle devices causing issues with B&T adapters and/or Surefire releasing their own HUB compatible mount adapter. This article from truth about guns has a link to the full pdf of the filing and a quick search pulls up other filings under the case, alas I'm too retarded to archive the full docs in a readable and safe format.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

B&T is suing Surefire over their mounting system:
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DKS78SQuAWB/

https://archive.ph/qr0nv

I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent issue with "out of spec"(according to B&T) Surefire muzzle devices causing issues with B&T adapters and/or Surefire releasing their own HUB compatible mount adapter. This article from truth about guns has a link to the full pdf of the filing and a quick search pulls up other filings under the case, alas I'm too retarded to archive the full docs in a readable and safe format.

Ah yes, B&T the company that makes $2500 direct blowback 9mm guns

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I mean I guess if we are talking about golf ball sized autonomous drones that fly next to a person and explode next to their ear, yea sure. Might as well get rid of all the militaries at that point.

As of right now, drones are very much like artillery. And they are used in place of artillery, because Ukrainians lack shells, and Russians lack effective ways of using their artillery. But countermeasures will be developed. And until we actually have real droids doing the fighting for us, there will be infantry taking ground, and they need firearms.

A combination of the lack of artillery ammunition and equipment, the lack of skill, and the way that the battlefield has staled and it's mostly small skirmishes that are more efficient to deal with using drones than artillery (which either side can't utilize to its full potential).

Soviet artillery is not efficient. It works, because they have a shit ton of guns and shitload of shells. Their artillery tactics are still very much WW2 based, which were outdated even at that time. Now both sides are running out of that equipment. Russia had to use North Korean shells ffs. Drones are a cheaper way to deliver precision strikes, on a battlefield that is mostly skirmishes these days. I guess we are going to see a bit more traditional artillery footage in the coming weeks, as Russia is gearing up for their summer offensive. Means larger waves, more use for traditional artillery.

A bit optimistic as Russian artillery went though a small revolution from 2008 to 2022 with Orlan drones and a "dial an artillery strike" app/system coming along in that ~14 year timeframe.

Russian also makes ~2-2.2 million shells a year and N. Korea can supply an extra 500k to 1 million. Russian hasn't had "shell hunger" for over a year now and even when it did it was at worst at parity with Ukraine.

The Absolute Biggest issue is the near constant ISR drones and space based sensing making surprise almost impossible anymore. So you start massive artillery/vehicles/infantry you hit with FPVs/bomber drones/artillery/glide bombs/ rockets (depending on range) before the massing is complete.

small arms have not mattered all that much in at least 200 years. they lost prominence arguably in the Napoleonic wars but certainly took a backseat by the US civil war, during which artillery had forced both sides into trenches by the end of the war. after approximately the 1870s easily 2/3 to 3/4 of casualties in peer conflicts have been from artillery. a artillery shell and gun are cheaper than drones in the long run too.

here is a diagram of artillery disposition during the battle of Gettysburg. this artillery duel was the largest in the western hemisphere and was heard as far off as Washington D.C
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They matter when you had a rifled breechloader, a repeater, and especially smokeless powder and the other guy didn't.

Or machine guns.

Even that didn't matter much. Brett Gibbons of the paper cartridges channel on youtube goes into extreme autistic detail on the musketry of the austro-prussian war.

Austria and Prussia both agreed that the Prussiana firing 2-3x more than the Austrians was important as well as being able to easily reload prone or kneeling.

Now of course black powder means you can't see SHIT after 2-5 shots but if you get 2-3 we'll aimed shots off and the other guy gets ONE you're having a great time.

It is the spot where we are currently. In Ukraine we have went from 2022 mechanised SPGs shooting and scooting and towed guns traditionally in battery to point where towed guns were vulnerable due to counterbattery fires.

But now towed guns have found a sweet spot in fortified emplacements with netting and camouflage as SPGs while moving are too vulnerable to FPVs or Lancets and massed fires can be treatened by fiber optic FPVs. Until either side can break this stalemate, the action will be centered around individual guns operating.

There's a Twitter thread that touches upon this from Nexter regarding CAESAR. Of course it is marketing talk, but couple interesting points can be found from there.

https://x.com/JakOSpades/status/1925932364418461907

Fascinating that S. Korea is dumping all 60mm and 81mm mortars.

The presentation is interesting as they mentioned that the Caesar isn't even being used to it's Max range because of the shells and propellant Ukraine gets is for 39 caliber guns.

Mkay SPHs these days are moving towards wheeled platforms with ultra Heavy tracked platforms becoming the minority.

getting a P365

It's fine. You MIGHT break a spring in is that needs replacing after a few thousand rounds.

 

[quaawaa]

The Pooner Shooter made sure to follow the four rules of gun safety:

 

[AGPinochet]

Handguns of a Syrian Jihadist




Gunnery trainer


Dentler DR21 Straight pull bullpup


Sten's with nonstandard stocks



DP with Kubynov hopper feed conversion based on the Japanese type 11






@Club Sandwich
I was recently made aware of 100 KAC X Magpul Dynamics rifles that were made around the time of the eponymous DVD's. They have unique hand guards based on the URX-II/3 but have what looks to be a unique mounting system, my question is just what is the mounting system? Proto-Mlok? A dead end KAC development?


C8 MRAR with that funny Strategic Sciences suppressor

Better image of the supposed internals of the suppressor


Five SeveN auto sear



I don't think I've ever seen a VSS/Val with a suppressor cover


Fish outta water


10/22 masterkey


MAT-49 in Syria


Stg in post Saddam Iraq

 

[The Dude]

So I was going to get the ball rolling on getting the Vector Form 1'd, but then I found the 3-lug mount for my Hybrid 46m in stock and decided to get everything I need to run it on the Vector until I can afford a decimated 9mm can. Finding parts for anything SilencerCo has been VERY difficult for over a year. So I got the 3-lug mount, 9mm nose cap, and a 9mm 3-lug muzzle device, plus a socket to tighten the muzzle device. Need to order some Rocksett as well, but otherwise have everything I need to run the Hybrid on the Vector.

I've decided when it comes time to mount the stock, I'm going to go with an ExoLock stock. I really like the way they look. Kinda future-industrial, sturdy, but not too beefy.