US Can Dems Save Themselves by Spending $20M on ‘Speaking With American Men’? - Democrats spend 20 million in order to not learn the lesson that they need to drop the idpol stuff

In the aftermath of Donald Trump’s morbidly authoritarian return to the White House, several members of the Democratic Party elite have been pitching plans and multimillion-dollar ideas for how to win back young male voters, many of whom spurned Democrats last fall.

One of these proposals, “Speaking With American Men: A Strategic Plan,” went viral after receiving a brief shout-out in The New York Times on Sunday. Described as a $20 million effort to “study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality” in male-dominated spaces online (such as video games), the “SAM” fundraising pitch was roasted by everyone from left-wing podcasters to Kamala Harris 2024 operatives to Joe Biden’s former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, who discussed the proposal with The Bulwark.

After days of watching derisive comments pile up online and on TV (including on Fox News), and joking among ourselves about starting a competing “Speaking to Dudes” plan for only $19 million (codename: “STD”), Rolling Stone decided to get to the bottom of questions that until now remained publicly unanswered, including: Who or what is “SAM,” and who is actually running this thing?

Our reporting soon led us to the names of two Democratic Party heavy hitters running the “SAM Project,” as well as to some of the national party’s stalwarts who offered preemptive, hefty derision toward the new effort.

Certain details of this project had been circulating in Democratic circles for weeks. One Democrat who received the fundraising prospectus says that they saw it, skimmed it, then closed it immediately because what they had seen seemed so “fucking stupid.”

Still, we wanted to see for ourselves, so we reached out to the two key figures behind the SAM Project to learn more about it and review its much-discussed fundraising prospectus (embedded below). The group also shared with us its 31-page presentation titled “How to Stop Losing the Culture Wars — and Win Back Men.”

“Speaking With American Men” is being led by Ilyse Hogue, the former president of the abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America, and John Della Volpe, director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics and an adviser to Biden’s 2020 campaign. The project’s fundraising pitch lists former Rep. Colin Allred (D-Texas), a one-time NFL player who lost a Senate race to Ted Cruz last year, as part of the SAM Project team.

In a joint interview today with Rolling Stone, Della Volpe and Hogue wanted to clarify a few things. (Yes, they have seen the mean social media posts.)

For one thing, they stress that the $20 million they set out to raise is for a two-year budget, which would be dedicated to not just research, but also for outreach, organizing efforts, and communications. The group intends to study and engage niche communities popular with young men of different races and backgrounds, including in forums and spaces focused on video games, cryptocurrencies, fitness, and DIY videos.

The point of the project, they explain, is to listen to “a cohort of young people who don’t feel like the Democratic Party hears them or cares about them,” as Della Volpe puts it. He says Democrats’ failure in 2024 was about “over relying on analytics and not listening to people,” and that the Harris campaign did “something that no other [Democratic] campaign this century has done, which is to not optimize young people.”

Hogue and Della Volpe both sought to warn Democrats last year about their growing problems with men, particularly younger men. Hogue wrote several pieces for The Bulwark last year about Trump’s appeals to young men and Democrats’ “male voter problem.” Della Volpe wrote an op-ed for the Times about how Trump was successfully “exploiting the fears and insecurities of young men.”

Their SAM Project is not just a fundraising pitch — it’s happening. Without saying how much money they’ve raised, Hogue confirms they’ve received “initial investment in the work that we’re doing and a lot of interest, honestly, in the research that is coming out of it.” Over the past two months, Della Volpe’s research firm conducted 30 focus groups among men ages 18-29.

“This level of listening is something that these young men have expressed explicitly that they have been waiting for for a long time,” says Hogue, adding that “$20 million seems like actually a drop in the bucket when you think about what is being spent over … a two-year cycle on speaking to voters. It actually feels pretty modest when you think about by how much we lost this group and how much we have to make up ground.”

The SAM Project says it is being fiscally sponsored by Democracy Matters, a Washington-based nonprofit with ties to David Brock’s liberal American Bridge network.

While some of the planks in the SAM Project documents risk coming off as ham-fisted (“Develop, disseminate, and test high-quality, meme-friendly content”), the group aspires to engage with real problems, such as how the right radicalizes men via online platforms — “utilizing the algorithms to cycle them into a right-wing funnel.”

It also highlights key financial concerns that young men face in today’s society: “job security, home ownership, wage growth, and affordable education/trade programs.” The prospectus seeks to “highlight the ways in which billionaire-backed culture war distractions serve as a smokescreen to divert attention from economic inequality, stagnating wages, and corporate exploitation.”

The SAM Project’s presentation notes that young men recognize that “institutions have failed them.” They feel “let down by politics, education, law enforcement, and labor systems.” They “don’t believe Democrats fight for them, but many don’t think Republicans care either.” And they have “learned to expect neglect, not support.”

The presentation says that “economic insecurity cuts across income and identity,” and young men are “overwhelmed by the cost of living, the instability of work, and the distance between what was promised and what’s real.”

On the other hand, the SAM Project’s financial solutions, as described in the fundraising prospectus, seem fairly small ball: “expanded child tax credits, homebuyer incentives, and workforce training.” Democrats’ 2024 platform, which failed to drive necessary support among young men, already contained references to such items. (The SAM Project team advises developing “specific language” to frame these policies “as a path to economic empowerment rather than government dependency,” which almost sounds like a conservative talking point.)

Asked about the fact that Democrats had already pitched similar ideas during the Harris campaign, Hogue says it’s impossible for the party to “build trust” around their economic policies “if you’re not in the spaces [where] people are debating them far in advance of the election, and the Democrats were completely absent from those spaces.”

Hogue says there are areas where many young men agree with Democrats, such as on social issues, as well as on economic policies, but the latter are “not being emphasized.” She explains that “unless the Democrats are saying these are top priorities because they affect young men, which they really were not, then that’s not going to resonate as much as it could.”

The SAM Project presentation indicates that many young men view Democrats as weak — and “want leadership that signals strength, clarity, and follow-through — especially in a world that feels unstable and demanding.” The document says there appears to be some level of “generational tolerance for authoritarian tendencies,” relating in part to institutions that aren’t working for them.

Hogue says that, in their research so far, what they’ve been hearing from people is that “‘Democrats don’t care about us, [and] even if they did care about us, they’re weak. They can’t get anything done. And that is an issue — that is a gap, a chasm, that needs to be addressed.”

The presentation quotes a Hispanic man from a rural background saying of Trump: “I think he has that strong man, you know, vibe that definitely a lot of guys, you know, like or relate to. I think people view him as, you know, kinda tearing down the structures that maybe they feel haven’t helped them.”

The duo fronting SAM are acutely aware that they have, even at this early stage, their fair share of intra-party critics who appear far from being won over. Several of these SAM Project skeptics are not mincing words, either.

“I think both Ilyse and John are smart, talented operatives who have very good intentions. I think broadly, writ large — and this is hardly unique to Ilyse and John — it is beyond embarrassing that in the year 2025, the Democratic Party wants to spend tens of millions of dollars to figure out how to talk to half of the population. It really isn’t that hard,” says Ammar Moussa, formerly the rapid response director for Harris’ 2024 campaign. “This really isn’t rocket science. We’re treating young men and working-class voters like they’re foreign aliens who just visited Earth who are speaking a different language. And to some degree, we are [speaking a different language], for a multitude of reasons — mostly because the Democratic Party is staffed with operatives who no longer reflect what the electorate looks like anymore. And that’s a problem.”

But, Moussa adds: “This isn’t a zoo!”

The Democrat who received the SAM Project’s prospectus, and who requested anonymity, says: “What pissed me off is that we’re doing all this research trying to find out the right combination of words to try to get them to like us, rather than understanding what their struggles and dreams are, and what they want out of life, and meeting them there.” This person also argues that multimillion-dollar fundraising efforts such as this run the risk of siphoning “money from organizations actually doing the work.”

One other Democratic recipient of the fundraising document says the pitch — particularly things like the use of word “syntax” — made the project read as broadly “condescending” to young American men. The price tag of $20 million also seemed “way too expensive,” this source says, referring to the idea of conducting a “safari-type study” of young male voters “as if they are a different species” as “insulting … why do this?”

But Hogue and Della Volpe contend that the issue is that there simply aren’t enough effective messengers or committed Democrats actually doing the work in these spaces, and that any liberal consultants or Democratic officials saying otherwise are fooling themselves.

In Hogue’s view: “‘Syntax’ is obviously sort of an academic word, but the way that breaks down for me is, when I, in the summer of 2024, was saying, ‘Hey guys, we have a problem. Trump just did a town hall on Kick with Adin Ross,’ and Democratic operatives were saying to me, ‘I don’t understand a single word you’re saying,’ that is a problem. When I wrote a piece earlier that year about the intentionality of RFK Jr. doing his failed presidential launch, bench-pressing shirtless in jeans, which was a direct line to the red-pill fitness channels, online Democratic operatives looked at me and said, ‘I’ve never heard of red-pill fitness.’ So they are free to suggest that the focus on language is a problem, but they don’t understand the language that people are speaking in the spaces where they are absent.”

“The solution is not wordsmithing our way to better slogans,” says Della Volpe, arguing that he and critics of the SAM Project likely “feel the same way around understanding values and experiences. There’s a misrepresentation, I think, of what the project is about.”

Here’s the SAM prospectus. See for yourself what all the hullabaloo was about:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25955887-sam-plan/#document/p1

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Ironically the liberal "antiracism" of the past 10 years has done more to solidify group identity amongst men, and white people, and particularly straight white men than a million Klan rallies could have ever done.

Solidified identity as a function of their own framing, yes. I didn't consider myself "White" until the rise of Left identity politics and the Floyd riots, particularly, the point at which a Smithsonian museum infographic was released (see attachments, can't embed on mobile for some reason): it described all the ways "Whiteness"as a set of cultural values was (implicitly) bad, insofar as any expectations of niggos to comport with any sort of standard is bad because muh different societal values. Really? The bedrock of modern technological society is bad, things like punctuality, logic, and respect for authority are bad, you technology-dependent, Nigger-worshipping, intellectual infant? Firstly, that's retarded, but worse, the choice of grouping those cultural values under the banner of "Whiteness" was a clear motte and bailey by which to tar the phenotypically white, not just "Whiteness" as a culture!

Well, if they're going to define Whiteness in both cultural and racial terms, interchangeably, in some grotesque wordplay of convenience simply to put me down not just for what I look like but because I value punctuality, structure, and universality, then I guess in every sense I'm forced to group myself as "White": I'd prefer not to have been put into an us-or-them dichotomy, but what am I going to do, quiet down and LISTEN so more Black disabled womxyn queer/nb transfolx and confabulating delusional street shitters can grift our society into the dust? Fuck it, I'm AkSHuAlLy some schizo pro-cultural-"Whiteness" dude who believes everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves culturally "White" but those details don't matter, I'm going to get lumped with the 3rd Reich anyway so NIGGER PAJEET KIKE I'M WHITE FUCK YOU, good job Dems, until you uproot the idpol-activist infestation and rediscover some semblance of liberal values I'm staying on the political sidelines and watching things burn, no voooting for the lesser evil from me.
 

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Solidified identity as a function of their own framing, yes. I didn't consider myself "White" until the rise of Left identity politics and the Floyd riots, particularly, the point at which a Smithsonian museum infographic was released (see attachments, can't embed on mobile for some reason): it described all the ways "Whiteness"as a set of cultural values was (implicitly) bad, insofar as any expectations of niggos to comport with any sort of standard is bad because muh different societal values. Really? The bedrock of modern technological society is bad, things like punctuality, logic, and respect for authority are bad, you technology-dependent, Nigger-worshipping, intellectual infant? Firstly, that's retarded, but worse, the choice of grouping those cultural values under the banner of "Whiteness" was a clear motte and bailey by which to tar the phenotypically white, not just "Whiteness" as a culture!
What always gets me in this is that you can always, always spot some objectively good and practical virtues, and you realise when reading them that these people are trying to demonise virtues they don't have.
 
This is too much of a reality check for the modern Democrats.
I expect them to double down with what they went into the 2024 election with..

“Speaking With American Men” is being led by Ilyse Hogue, the former president of the abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America, and John Della Volpe, director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics and an adviser to Biden’s 2020 campaign.
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What always gets me in this is that you can always, always spot some objectively good and practical virtues, and you realise when reading them that these people are trying to demonise virtues they don't have.
"Ayyyy yo, showin' up fo' work in the morning is for white folks an' shit!"

"So you're saying you expect to be paid for doing nothing all day?"

"Dat's rite!"
 
Only an actual retard would ever believe anything any of these retards say.

For fuck's sake there's enough footage of Democrats campaigning on limiting illegal immigration and against gay marriage in the aughts only to deep throat brown rainbow cock five years later, including Hillary and Obama.

They don't get it. The old con can't continue unless they censor the entire fucking internet and destroy all evidence of their duplicity.
Democrats have this very weird perception of time where you're being unsporting if you bring up anything that happened more than a few weeks ago. During the 2020 democratic primaries I tried pointing to things Biden had said/done in the past that contradicted his current positions. And all I got in exchange was "so what, that was 15 years ago, why does it matter now?" It's like they don't really think a person has continuity of being from moment to moment, and it's unfair to act like the past version of someone is the same as the current version of someone. Because heaven forbid you use a persons past actions as a predictive model for their future behavior.

I think this also works in the other direction. They don't really perceive their future selves as the same person as the version of themselves that exists in the present. This helps explain why they keep committing to strategies that have short term gains but screw them in the long run due to the second and third order consequences that they refuse to consider. If this strategy helps me now, why should I care if it screws me in the future? If you perceive your future self as a separate person then it doesn't matter, because you aren't going to deal with the consequences, some random other person is.

It comes across as stupidity, but what I always go back to is that I don't think the people who run the Democratic party are stupid in the traditional sense of lacking brainpower. It's more that they are so ideologically dedicated to a particular vision of how the world works that they have conditioned themselves out of their capacity for higher order thinking so they don't accidentally end up contradicting their own positions. Because their worldview can only be sustained by maintaining a very rigidly distorted sense of the world around them.
 
Moving back to the policy of liberal universalism that they succeeded with under Clinton and Obama would probably be a good tactical move for the dems
It’s ironic, given their efforts to drag the Overton window so far left, that Trump is basically a late 80’s-late 90’s Democrat so to adopt Clinton-era policies would be seen as a collapse of their ‘values’ and a betrayal by their voter base.

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I'd love to be constructive but I have to ask the snide question: what happened to all the men who voted for Biden in 2020 and why can't you get them back?
They all went the way of @GHTD and Ronnie McNutt'd themselves when they realized too-late that fancy centrism is a death sentence on itself.
It comes across as stupidity, but what I always go back to is that I don't think the people who run the Democratic party are stupid in the traditional sense of lacking brainpower. It's more that they are so ideologically dedicated to a particular vision of how the world works that they have conditioned themselves out of their capacity for higher order thinking so they don't accidentally end up contradicting their own positions. Because their worldview can only be sustained by maintaining a very rigidly distorted sense of the world around them.
It can go both ways. Democrats are dyed-in-the-wool believers in neoliberalism and are also extraordinarily devoid of any intelligence and even sentience.

It's good that everyone is talking about Joe Biden being a brain-obliterated skin puppet and that's not going to leave the news cycle for at least a few years, but creatures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (who was being relentlessly touted as the "Future of the Democrat party"), Jasmine Crockett, David Hogg, Ilhan Omar (who denounces the core population of the USA on a regualar basis) are all even more cognitively-disabled and infantilized than Pedo Joe, and they don't have the excuse of advanced age. Being a shitlib means being the most unlikable and vacuous creature imaginable and then some.

The rest of your post is spot in, because neoliberalism is an infinitely evil, totalitarian and dysfunctional ideology. It's adherents are monomaniacally obsessed with moralization campaigns, as demonstrated by the very topic of this thread. Neolibs/Dems are so self-unaware to the point that they don't realize or care that said campaigns are rapidly waning in effectiveness for a number of different reasons.

For one, shit has been getting real for a while now. People have real problems, and when you have real problems, goofy moralization stuff becomes much less appealing. Neolibs around and signaling to everyone how they're such "good people" because they arbitrarily produced and support the latest moralization campaign is a luxury for people who have literally no real problems at all.

Along with that, the fact that we’re all watching Palestinians be slaughtered on an industrial scale by the Jews, and that this is being broadly and aggressively supported by the same Neolibs who push these various moralization campaigns, shows how dumb and decadent this post-modernist landscape is.

“We have to have an endless war in the Ukraine because of democracy values or whatever but also we need to slaughter tens of thousands of children and elderly in Palestine, also because of democracy or something."
 
How many more times does the party need to blow multiple millions on consultants to give them terrible advice instead of just sucking it up and going to a blue collar bar or church and just eavesdropping on the dudes there?
Why would they need to listen to them, they own the unions therefore they own the blue collar workers. If only the fuckers would obey!
 
You can't polish a piece of shit so much that people will want it because at the end of the day, it's still just a piece of shit.
Even when the Mythbusters crew polished some shit it was more like "huh I didn't know you could make a shit this shiny." The DNC is much the same, a remarkable piece of shit.
 
Why would they need to listen to them, they own the unions therefore they own the blue collar workers. If only the fuckers would obey!
They also don't realize how useless the union vote is today vs 30 or 40 years ago.

Most American workers today aren't unionized, and most that are have serious issues with their Unions wasting their dues on candidates they don't like.

Even if they sincerely went to Union meetings? They'd learn nothing because they'd be inserting themselves into yet another self-reinforcing bubble of out-of-touch managers speaking for disaffected rank and file and assuring them everything's fine, we're with you, you don't have to change a thing!
 
Ironically the liberal "antiracism" of the past 10 years has done more to solidify group identity amongst men, and white people, and particularly straight white men than a million Klan rallies could have ever done. They are such complete fucking failures. The vast majority of white people were ready to accept a post racial society not that long ago, but liberals said that isn't good enough, there's a war between white and non-white and you have to pick a side. And then they were shocked when white people picked the side of white people. I think even Asians and Latinos are starting to abandon the Democrats because they realized they are too low down on the oppression olympics hierarchy to really benefit from siding with liberals. So even groups that stand to benefit from antiracism don't want it because they don't want to be second place to blacks and trannies.
I mentioned this in another thread, I wouldn't even care much about politics if the left was consistent when it came to anti racism. But no, when it comes to racism towards white people the left completely ignores it or they justify it. For example, these people go on about indigenous people and race mattering when it comes to non white races and how its ok for non white majority countries to preserve their cultures and people. When demographic data came out and showed the native American population rising last year (or the year before), liberals were cheering and claiming they deserve to be the majority in their homeland. Yet if you suddenly care about that stuff when it comes to white people, and whites being made a minority in many western countries if you look at birth rates, they have the attitude of "Why do you care so much about race?" Hell, these same fucking hypocrites will come up with excuses about how British people aren't indigenous to England, but a random native American whose tribe wasn't even living in another part of America is indigenous to all of America. Honestly, fuck em. The only thing I dislike is how there's a portion of whites who still vote democrat still.
 
“We have to have an endless war in the Ukraine because of democracy values or whatever but also we need to slaughter tens of thousands of children and elderly in Palestine, also because of democracy or something."
I know it wasn't a big news story in the US. But it did bother me that the US elite sided with Azerbaijan over Armenia during the recent rounds of violence there. Whatever else you can say about Armenia, it is a democracy. And Azerbaijan is a textbook totalitarian dictatorship. But the US elites commitment to democracy disappears when the totalitarian country has oil and the democracy that it is fighting with does not.
I mentioned this in another thread, I wouldn't even care much about politics if the left was consistent when it came to anti racism. But no, when it comes to racism towards white people the left completely ignores it or they justify it. For example, these people go on about indigenous people and race mattering when it comes to non white races and how its ok for non white majority countries to preserve their cultures and people.
Not just white people. I have to give Kangmin Lee credit for pointing out that "Stop Asian Hate" went from being a big liberal social justice campaign to disappearing from the news completely overnight. Because someone asked "who is it that is going around committing hate crimes against Asians?", and when liberals found out the answer to that question they didn't like it.
 
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