Sid Meier's Civilization

[Kane Lives]

Probably the last time I will do this, but a few things of interest:





Civ V is clearly the winner of this dog race for second place, with VII falling to a record low of 10k players peak now. Firaxis, you should be ashamed that you're being mogged by a 10 years old game. I may not like the direction Civ V started, but I can respect it as a game in its own right.

Civ VI numbers remain steady, and looks like it'd be top dog for the foreseeable future.

All in all, I think they should be worried. They clearly lost the casual crowd to their last game, and as expected, the hardcore MP crowd isn't remotely enough to sustain any sort of interest in the game.

(Funny note, Civ IV numbers may look low in comparison to her sister games, but it's still double most other "Civ killers" like Humankind, Old World and Ara.)

 

[Computer God Autism]

(Funny note, Civ IV numbers may look low in comparison to her sister games, but it's still double most other "Civ killers" like Humankind, Old World and Ara.)

Even funnier is that a (nearly) twenty year old game, which most Civ players haven't given the time of day, is able to command a fifth of the playerbase of the latest iteration not even four months after its launch.

Civ IV gigachads stay winning.

 

[Jesus Swept]

I'm doing my part (badly).

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

(Funny note, Civ IV numbers may look low in comparison to her sister games, but it's still double most other "Civ killers" like Humankind, Old World and Ara.)

I had a 6 month old review video of Spiffing Brit going over Ara Untold's launch come up on timeline the other day.

TL; DR
- A Microsoft game that got zero marketing & no one's ever heard of
- The combat is awful & should be avoided at all costs
- Spiff complained a lot about endless supply chain management mechanics not usually seen in 4X games where the gameplay loop involves monotonous cycles of acquiring a new resource then continuously refining it to produce infinity downstream products for your supply chains.
- Spiff surmised that only 10% of the casual 4X crowd would possess the autism required to learn to endlessly min/max the Anno/Port Royale/Factorio mechanics while the other 90% of players would give up confused & bored within 30 mins.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

(Funny note, Civ IV numbers may look low in comparison to her sister games, but it's still double most other "Civ killers" like Humankind, Old World and Ara.)

Image loosing to a 20 year old game, lol. you tried to be a killer for old Civ but failed. Even the latest one is failure.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Image loosing to a 20 year old game, lol. you tried to be a killer for old Civ but failed. Even the latest one is failure.

I accidently wrote this like a Chinese person. lol.


But back on topic of Civ IV. For a little bit of trivia for all of you, did you know that Mohammed and Sargon was going to be leaders in Civ IV? Imagine how that would have turned out.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/muhammad-was-going-to-be-an-arabian-leader-in-civ-iv.689719/

 

[Chickenpolar]

I accidently wrote this like a Chinese person. lol.


But back on topic of Civ IV. For a little bit of trivia for all of you, did you know that Mohammed and Sargon was going to be leaders in Civ IV? Imagine how that would have turned out.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/muhammad-was-going-to-be-an-arabian-leader-in-civ-iv.689719/

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Good old Civ fans. Thought that thread was locked because of "muh Islamophobia" after a fatwa & religion of peace discussion but no, they just started arguing about leaders included/not included in IV

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I accidently wrote this like a Chinese person. lol.


But back on topic of Civ IV. For a little bit of trivia for all of you, did you know that Mohammed and Sargon was going to be leaders in Civ IV? Imagine how that would have turned out.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/muhammad-was-going-to-be-an-arabian-leader-in-civ-iv.689719/

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My own autism notices the “Native Americans” were meant to be the Sioux after all, and as Civ IV is the last gasp of classical Civ, the kid in me who got until history via playing Civ II is very happy they’re the real nation all along. Even if my head will always admit the Iroquois are far more logical to include as the North American Amerindian civ.

 

[Computer God Autism]

did you know that Mohammed and Sargon was going to be leaders in Civ IV? Imagine how that would have turned out.

Sargon would call Mohammed a feminist and own him with facts and logic.

 

[Sandnigger Mudhut]

Playing Alpha Centauri and I really miss "intellectual" games like this that were clearly made by well-read people capable of producing something truly deep and intellectually engrossing. The industry isn't capable of making a game like this anymore, exemplified by Civ: Beyond Earth. Everything that is wrong with Beyond Earth is surmised by the fact that it isn't made by nerds who read Iamblichus and Bentham in high school.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

My own autism notices the “Native Americans” were meant to be the Sioux after all, and as Civ IV is the last gasp of classical Civ, the kid in me who got until history via playing Civ II is very happy they’re the real nation all along. Even if my head will always admit the Iroquois are far more logical to include as the North American Amerindian civ.

As a kid I mostly read about Eastern Woodlands Indians, so I feel utter spite when the Sioux make it in to stuff but Iroquois don't (and Cherokee always get shafted). I like my Indians to live in longhouses and eat corn and beans.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Played Ascendancy, a rather obscure 1995 space civilization vidya by the now defunct The Logic Factory. Much of that vidya is spent ordering projects on colonies, and trying to get ships to hop from one system to another via "star lanes" to get them to destinations. The vidya AI is rather lobotomized, so setting a colony to self-managed is not a good idea. But on the plus side, the starmap, solar system displays, and tech tree are all in 3D. But no polygon models: it's "billboard sprites" like the trees in Mario 64.

There's an "antagonizer module" (antag.exe) that improves the AI though. There was also an iOS version released in the early '10s, but was later pulled from the "app" store.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

As a kid I mostly read about Eastern Woodlands Indians, so I feel utter spite when the Sioux make it in to stuff but Iroquois don't (and Cherokee always get shafted). I like my Indians to live in longhouses and eat corn and beans.

To add, I genuinely despise that in the Current Year of Our Lord 2025 the Sioux are always the default Plains Indian civ and not the Comanche (who were much more impressive and demented).

Effectively vassalizing a colony = Comanches
Beating back the entire Texan frontier 100 miles (I think) during the Civil War = Comanches
Largest sack of an American city (city may be exaggeration) by Indians = Comanches
Deep Hun-like penetration raids into the vicinity of Mexico City = Comanches
Sitting around hoya-hooing until they win a battle or two and then get wiped out = Sioux

I think much of it probably comes down to that the Sioux had a big set-piece battle. Although you likewise see the Shawnee and Friends get totally shafted too: Thousand Slain was an even more impressive battle than Little Bighorn (total destruction of a large American army, total temporary strategic victory as the Americans are basically cast back east for a decade or two).


Edit: Political leader going on to found a church (Native American Church/peyotism) that actually lasts = Comanches

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Lol

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Comanches

For a second I thought that said "Chamachies" (technologist lizard-folk from Ascendancy).

Sioux

Civ II

The Sioux are in Civ 2, with violet "team color" BTW. So if they are in a game, the other kind of Indians can't be there, nor Mongols.

 

[Greene County Health Dpt]

Lol Civ 7 was so bad it drove one of their strongest shills into a depression episode

 

[Computer God Autism]

Lol Civ 7 was so bad it drove one of their strongest shills into a depression episode

Burn the coal, pay the toll

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Lol Civ 7 was so bad it drove one of their strongest shills into a depression episode

On one hand, Potato has a good ASMR voice. And anyone would tire of playing one franchise over & over for years and getting pigeonholed no matter the fame or fortune.

OTOH, he's an insufferable Irish shitlib who last I checked was still living with his parents. And had a whole Twitter timeline full of TDS, pro-Open Borders stuff while complaining about affordable housing.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Lol Civ 7 was so bad it drove one of their strongest shills into a depression episode

"The world is fuck how could I bring kids into this world?"

This mindset is how they have power over you.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

To add, I genuinely despise that in the Current Year of Our Lord 2025 the Sioux are always the default Plains Indian civ and not the Comanche (who were much more impressive and demented).

Effectively vassalizing a colony = Comanches
Beating back the entire Texan frontier 100 miles (I think) during the Civil War = Comanches
Largest sack of an American city (city may be exaggeration) by Indians = Comanches
Deep Hun-like penetration raids into the vicinity of Mexico City = Comanches
Sitting around hoya-hooing until they win a battle or two and then get wiped out = Sioux

I think much of it probably comes down to that the Sioux had a big set-piece battle. Although you likewise see the Shawnee and Friends get totally shafted too: Thousand Slain was an even more impressive battle than Little Bighorn (total destruction of a large American army, total temporary strategic victory as the Americans are basically cast back east for a decade or two).


Edit: Political leader going on to found a church (Native American Church/peyotism) that actually lasts = Comanches

That big set piece battle is probably why, possibly buttressed by being entirely within what's always "been" American-centric territory (did the Sioux really do anything notable vis-a-vis the French during French Louisiana, beyond being given their common European exonym?) versus the Comanches happily being their bastard selves within (New/) Mexico and not just (Texas/) America. But you'd think "the Mongols of America" would have some more prominence by this point in the franchise's lifespan. I suspect it's also because on a world map, the Sioux can conveniently gobble up middle Canada and the Upper Great Plains instead of pressuring *Aztecs/Mexico and America and leaving so much space unsettled before conflict inevitably happens.

You do have an excellent point on the Shawnee. On the world map I'm thinking they could be an occasional and more useful replacement to the Iroquois in being positioned in the Midwest (I know they came from Georgia... but their most famous period is in the Midwest and Tippecanoe as a city site is prime...), ensure the Americans definitely get all the eastern seaboard to colonize before spreading west in a vague real-world parallel.