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So I figure the lack of Elvis is about censorship or trying to be modern, so much as it is an attempt to 'de-Americanize' the film for the Chinese market.
Why the fuck are american studios so hell bent on sucking commie cock?

No other country makes films aimed at one country first before their own, so why are we the only ones doing that shit with China?
 
Why the fuck are american studios so hell bent on sucking commie cock?

No other country makes films aimed at one country first before their own, so why are we the only ones doing that shit with China?
Because they are retards who keep falling for the great Chinese lie that its the land of milk and honey AKA has fuck tons of cash and a huge market to exploit.

The suits ignore that most of the revenue and, by the end of it, most of their companies IP's will be taken away by other Chinese corporations (which are just the Chinese Government in drag). Then they will be kicked out and banned like what has happened every other time a foreign company has tried to break into the Chinese market because they earnestly believed in the great lie.

This cycle will repeat until either China implodes or conquers the earth.
 
Why the fuck are american studios so hell bent on sucking commie cock?

No other country makes films aimed at one country first before their own, so why are we the only ones doing that shit with China?
Modern Hollywood movies are bloated-budget, designed-by-committee, multi-million dollar nightmares that require billions of dollars to be made internationally to turn a profit.

Modern Hollywood, and Disney in particular, are torn between soulless globohomo pandering and soulless CCP pandering:
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Stitch is absurdly popular as a mascot character in Asia, arguably as popular as Mickey Mouse. Lilo doesn't move merchandise like he does, and is therefor unimportant and can be written out. The remake is guaranteed to do gangbusters in Asia, they have no emotional attachment to the original and will go just to see Stitch.
"Pretty good, would have been better without that annoying brown girl though."

This is something that twitter 'activists' are never going to wrap their heads around- Lilo and Stitch cared more about Hawaiians and promoted Lilo as an unconventional heroine when it was a movie made by a white guy for an American audience.


SFGate posted this hilarious cope, "Ditching your family to foster care is authentic Hawaiian culture!"
The 'Lilo and Stitch' backlash reveals how little America understands Hawaiians
However, these views fail to look at family through a Hawaiian lens.

Nani isn't abandoning Lilo or giving her up. She's not leaving Lilo behind, because Tutu is a part of their ohana too. At the end of the movie, the social worker Mrs. Kekoa facilitates a type of hanai relationship among Lilo, Nani and Tutu. "It is usually a much easier transition in these foster situations if the family, hanai or otherwise, are involved," Mrs. Kekoa says, referring to Tutu as their hanai family.

However, hanai is never explained in the movie. A Hawaiian tradition, hanai is a type of adoptive relationship, which really can't be compared to the Western definition of adoption. Hanai is more complex and fluid, with many variations.

Disney's definition of ohana throughout the film is heartwarming but incomplete. To understand hanai, one must first understand the concept of ohana from a Native Hawaiian perspective. The word ohana refers to the oha, or shoots, growing out of the taro plant - the same plant that is considered to be an ancient relative to all Native Hawaiians. The oha represent the many people who make a family, all tied together in this important bond.

In Hawaiian culture or otherwise, it isn't uncommon for a grandparent or other relative to step in and help care for kids. The common phrase "It takes a village" comes to mind. Like a village, the Hawaiian family is shaped by many people who take on multiple roles.

"In Hawaiian, there is no word for aunt or uncle. They are all mothers and fathers. We have no word for cousins. They are brothers and sisters," acclaimed Native Hawaiian scholar Mary Kawena Pukui once said in a 1971 article in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Similarly, in "Lilo & Stitch," the character's name Tutu is the Hawaiian word for grandparent but can also be used to refer to anyone of that generation. And in Hawaii, auntie and uncle are commonly used out of respect for elders, no matter if they are related by blood or not.
"We have no word for cousins."
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https://www.omniglot.com/language/kinship/hawaiian.htm
 
Anyone else butthurt and conflicted about the boom in Stitch merch recently? When I was a kid, in the years following the release of the original movie, it was pretty hard to find Stitch merch, at least in the US. The Disney store usually only had one plush, and then a Christmas version at holidays. All the other Stitch merch was Japanese, and had to be imported (this was before Amazon and other massive online shopping sites were popular). I had to use a shopping service to order a Stitch kigurumi off the official Japanese site. Now, there's Stitch everything everywhere. Shirts, socks, stationary, water bottles, backpacks. Every kid has a Stitch something. My inner child is jealous, and I'm tempted to buy the new stuff, but I also hate it and hate how it's connected to the LA remake, and it feels so souless and cash-grabby. But still, it's Stitch and it's so cute. To consoom or not consoom.
 
I am curious what China has against niggers though. like I'm genuinely asking. I'm sure Tiana just had like a fucking lily pad movie poster there.
The ChiComs believe that the Han people are the master race. This is why they refuse any attempts to excavate the tomb of their first emperor because there's a good chance he was a White guy with blonde hair. Why do they hate niggers specifically? If you've ever had the displeasure of interacting with them you'd understand.

 
I am curious what China has against niggers though. like I'm genuinely asking. I'm sure Tiana just had like a fucking lily pad movie poster there.
iirc I've heard chatter that the Tianamen Square protests blew up from locals being big mad about africans getting shipped in
When I was a kid, in the years following the release of the original movie, it was pretty hard to find Stitch merch, at least in the US.
I recall he was pushed REALLY fucking hard at first to the point he was on the major parks merch on par with the secondary mains like Goofy, Pluto, and Daisy to the point that there was some pushback from the nerds that they were going too hard
 
You know, I dont care about the Disney remakes, at all. Mostly by principle because the same company that put animation on the map is the same one that is implying that the only way these classics can be improved is by removing their animation.
Thats insulting to the medium and lets not pretend that disney isnt salivating at the mouth for the day AI becomes "good enough" (in their eyes) to almost fully replace animators from the industry

Not only this is a remake that didnt need to happen the most since the original is only around 20 years old (which yeah, its a lot of time but not that much considering that the other remakes were for older movies, with the exception of Mulan maybe. At least thats the excuse the house of mouse gave but we all know its because Lilo and Stitch is among one of their most profitable brands

So its kind of extra insulting that instead of going for a bland live action/CG hybrid remake (which nearly all of those end up being at the least), they go for something that actively changes the core message of the story

Dont even get me started on the fact that the so loving left picked on Lilo's actress for daring to commit the crime of not being "dark skinned" enough despite her being from hawaii. A reminder that these are the ones that call themselves "The good guys".

If I told you that this is a disney remake where Lilo gets taken by the state and that Nani gets to finally live her dream of studying marine biology out of state (despite the fact that Hawaii has some of the best marine biology colleges in the world). YOu would think Im joking but no, they literally do this in this remake.
But hey, Lilo has access to a portal gun so her and Nani can always meet again...

As if that makes it any better. Disney truly hates family units, dont they?.

So ohana now means "put your career first and send your little sister to live away with some strangers but its kay, she has a portal gun to conveniently make this superficially not an issue"

And the funny thing is, Nani didnt have to give up anything in the original as she now had Jumba and pleakley to help keep an eye on Lilo and Stitch while she could focus on getting a proper job

its like the whole point of the ending is how family can overcome anything.

Oh yeah, Jumba is now a full on villain and Gantu is nowhere to be seen. Jumba was a minor villain at the start, sure, but he slowly comes to change his ways as it starts to dawn on him the tragedy behind Stitch's loneliness
to the point that when given the chance to go help rescue Lilo, he joins immediately.

Some could say this change was rushed but it felt it was given the right amount of build up so it feels natural. There is also the fact that Jabba never came off as malicious like Gantu did, he just wanted to get his experiment back at the reward of a lesser sentence.

Edit: oh yeah, Cobra Bubbles's character has been butched which goes to show that all the liberal nonsense that Disney and its followers spew is just that, nonsense since C.B was a great example of a good character that happened to be a POC because altho he could look intimidating, we start to see a more soft side of him as the movie goes along and he starts to legit see the tragedy of Nani failing to keep a job to sustain Lilo's needs. But he does have a mature conversation with Nani over doing whats best for Lilo and that maybe the latter needs more than what the former can provide.

Besides, there is the whole reveal he saved Earth by BS-ing some nonsense about mosquitos going extinct. Thats cool as hell.

But either way

This is a product of hate based on a product of love and the results are obvious and it pains me to see that this one made money as Im sure the house of mouse will take it as a sign that their remakes are working (despite the fact that most of them have underperformed if not been full on flops). And apparently the word is that Bambi will be their next on the chopping block and based on the people already involved in it, its gonna be a special type of awful.

Cant wait to see it

1) Unnecessary "Stitch died, loljk he's okay" ending.

Cant believe Im gonna say it but

"Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch has a glitch" did that better.
So I (unwillingly) saw L&S today and yeah, it's everything you'd imagine, maybe worse. Too many script and character changes that rubbed me the wrong way to list. Besides the obvious, three things that stuck out to me as exceptionally dumb that I wasn't prepared for:

1) Unnecessary "Stitch died, loljk he's okay" ending.
2) Health insurance being a major plot point.
3) (And this left me absolutely gobsmacked) during the "WHAT ABOUT OHANA??" argument that ensues after Nani gets fired that Nani now says, almost verbatim, that what is supposed to be the catchphrase of the entire movie is a beautiful idea but "not realistic." I have never seen Disney gaslighting THIS hard that its old movies had bad morals (But I've also not watched most of their recent catalog...)

Stuff like this is why I unironically hate this remake more than Snow White or Mulan. They are so dettached from the originals that they dont even come close to it so they might as well be their own flicks.

This remake, tho? Its close enough that its changes seem legit mean spirited towards the original and its morals. It feels spiteful and mean.
I CANNOT believe I forgot this one, but the grandma also encourages Nani to pursue college at the end by stating that Ohana "also means not leaving yourself behind." Whatever... that means.

No, no it doesnt.

You just made that one up, remake. No granny would tell the older sister of a kid to leave her for her own goals.

You suck.
Weirdest thing to me is that they cut so many important characters and scenes, yet still ended up with a movie that's about 25% longer than the original.

Thats how you know you have two bad things for a plot

1- Useless bloating nonsense
2- A bad pace
 
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Why the fuck are american studios so hell bent on sucking commie cock?

No other country makes films aimed at one country first before their own, so why are we the only ones doing that shit with China?
Theres a reason theres so many Fast and Furious or Bayformers movies, China loves that shit and they also have specific parameters for their movies and what gets shown. Like Disney was also 110% fine with China censoring John Boyega off the Star Wars posters and covering Chadwick Bosemans in Black Panther.
 
Cant believe Im gonna say it but

"Lilo and Stitch 2: Stitch has a glitch" did that better.
Funnily enough I was having this exact thought lmao. With everything the remake makes you sit through beforehand, it's just obvious nostalgia-fueled emotional manipulation.

Dead/dying Stitch in 2025 does make for a hilarious visual metaphor, though.
 
Ooooh my fucking god.
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After seeing this I looked up “New ending actually better Lilo and Stitch” and got so many fucking articles like the below. People are legitimately being like “Well, it’s actually a realistic ending, so it’s good!”
There’s many things I could say about it, but I’ll just leave it at this. Scrooge saying “What a weird dream” and not changing anything about himself would probably be the more realistic ending to A Christmas Carol, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be a better one.
 
Hercules: He'll be played by a black guy and will be lead around by Persephone who will girlboss all over the gods. Hades will be a Trump stand-in
Tangled: She'll shave her head and will be a girlboss. I never saw the original so I don't have much to work with.
NiggerPrincess and the Frog: She'll fight against an evil White man who looks like Trump that's trying to buy the restaurant. She'll girlboss him and win in the end.
Frozen: All niggers, except the evil people. "Let it Go" will be rewritten by Lin Manuel Miranda as a hip hop track. I never saw it, is it about two sisters learning to love each other or something? Maybe they'll go full degen and make it an incest love story.
Jennifer Lee basically asserted that we won't be getting any LA anything of Frozen until she achieves her sought after trilogy.

I imagine the only reason WDA listens to her on that is because of how much of a smash success the first two frozen films were for them, so we're safe for a few years at least.


When it comes to whether Frozen might get more “modern,” I’d say it’s already about as modern as it gets. From the musical side of things, it owes a fair bit to Wicked—you can hear it in the melodies and the way the story’s told. And truth be told, Frozen kind of kicked off a whole wave of Disney films that leaned into those big emotional arcs, self-discovery, and breaking away from the old "damsel and prince" routine. So unless they go ahead and make Elsa openly a Lesbo —which folks have been speculating about for a while—I can’t see them pushing much further down that track. It's already set the tone.

Bit of a fun aside though—Lin-Manuel Miranda, Robert Lopez, and Alan Menken’s niece all grew up together and ended up graduating from Wesleyan. That’s how they met Menken, actually. Small world, aye? It’s through that connection they found their way into musical theatre, and now look at them—running the show, so to speak. Might sound a bit like nepotism to some, but to me, it’s just a heartwarming tale of young creatives inspiring each other and making good on it.

Now the one you really oughta keep your eye on is Hercules. Word going 'round is Disney wants to rework it into a TikTok-style musical. Yeah, you heard that right—like one of those snappy, quick-cut shows with catchy lines designed for scrolling, not storytelling. They’re lookin’ to take a classic and turn it into something that feels a bit like *Epic: The Musical*.

And if you haven’t come across *Epic*, well… imagine if someone took the idea of *Hamilton*, mashed it together with Greek mythology, stripped out any hint of the original grit or traditional tone, and dressed the whole thing up in Tumblr aesthetics. What you end up with is a flashy, fan-service version of *The Odyssey* that’s more about vibes than substance.

Funnily enough, it’s massive with the BlueSky crowd and folks who, if I had to guess, might not have sat through a proper musical in their lives. Don’t get me wrong, creativity’s a good thing—but sometimes it feels like they’re trying to reinvent the wheel with no idea how the axle works.
 
Ooooh my fucking god.
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After seeing this I looked up “New ending actually better Lilo and Stitch” and got so many fucking articles like the below. People are legitimately being like “Well, it’s actually a realistic ending, so it’s good!”
There’s many things I could say about it, but I’ll just leave it at this. Scrooge saying “What a weird dream” and not changing anything about himself would probably be the more realistic ending to A Christmas Carol, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be a better one.
I think the better question is “How many of these articles are word for word the same for large passages?”, followed up by “How much damage control is Disney paying for?”
 
Ooooh my fucking god.
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After seeing this I looked up “New ending actually better Lilo and Stitch” and got so many fucking articles like the below. People are legitimately being like “Well, it’s actually a realistic ending, so it’s good!”
There’s many things I could say about it, but I’ll just leave it at this. Scrooge saying “What a weird dream” and not changing anything about himself would probably be the more realistic ending to A Christmas Carol, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be a better one.
"Appeal to realism" needs to be designated a fallacy in storytelling. There's telling a tale that's believable in its own world and then there's exclusively applying real-world logic to a patently unrealistic premise. If the film was realistic, it would be titled Lilo in Stitches and follow the ohana's descent into poverty before being forced to split up and/or move to Las Vegas, because intergalactic koalas (at least officially) do not exist.

In the original, Lilo and Nani room with intelligent extraterrestrials to help carry the burden. It's satisfying to see these characters cross over and enrich each other's lives, especially after so much hardship. That ending stands head and shoulders above this terrible trend of hokey Disney break-up resolutions.
 
I think the irony here is that Disney used to be a lot more clever about their commentary like you can even look at Robin Hood as an example that people should rise up against corrupted leaders because ultimately those people would be nothing without the common folk, but it's subtle enough that it can still be read as just a fable.

Not everything needs to be realistic especially since animation is a genre built off of artistic license where you can be loose with concepts to better reinterpret really hard concepts.

However, that was at a time when they basically had a office filled with people from different political ideologies that only really cared about making art and not elitist cultural opportunist who only care about cashing in on whatever the crazy red and blue haired subsection of Twitter things
 
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