Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It sounds like the disneywars writers here are projecting the end result of modern leftist nonsense.

Naboo was always loyal to the Republic. Not the Empire.

Naboo even rebelled against the Empire once, if I recall.

 

[Imperial Commandos]

Naboo even rebelled against the Empire once, if I recall.

The Queen tried to succeed from the Empire in the 501st journal. Though there was no real reprisal from the Empire like there would be on other worlds. They just installed loyalist politicians to replace the ones who were actively advocating treason against the Empire and business went on as usual until after Endor. Then they were some of the first to join the New Republic after news of Palpatine's death reached them.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Queen tried to succeed from the Empire in the 501st journal. Though there was no real reprisal from the Empire like there would be on other worlds. They just installed loyalist politicians to replace the ones who were actively advocating treason against the Empire and business went on as usual until after Endor. Then they were some of the first to join the New Republic after news of Palpatine's death reached them.

The  Empire was surprisingly gentle with them considering they were harboring Jedi fugitives. Other worlds like Kashyyyk had it worse for committing the same crime.

Even if you interpreted it as the danger of the Empire resurging if not vigilant it's done sloppily and with no regard for worldbuilding.

The First Order just appears out of nowhere with near infinite resources and having built a superweapon several times larger than the death star. This isn't being negligent, this is being absolutely retarded.

Then the First Order invades and occupies the entire galaxy within a few days.

This is the equivalent of the nazi vampires in Hellsing Ultimate conquering the planet... as in all of it... simultaneously.

Even Legend of Korra of all things does it better, where fascism doesn't just appear out of thin air. Anarchists and bandits tear apart the former good guy kingdom, so a former ally has to restore order, but in the process decides that for order and security to be ensured then the kingdom needs to be restored by force, stronger, and with an iron grip .

When fucking Korra does something better than you, you know you've fucked up.

And speaking of Kuvira's story, it could've gone the same. After the New Republic takes over, they become relaxed and decentralized, as a reversal of Palpatine's extreme centralization during the height of Imperial rule. However, this leads to many of the outlying worlds in the Outer Rim being left to fend for themselves. You can then introduce a few well-meaning Imperial remnants who left the core systems instead of disarming, and they use what's left of their military might to eradicate pirates, extragalactic invaders, and feuding factions, in order to create a lawful and organized society in the Outer Rim.

The people, thankful for the Empire's efforts, openly embrace their new rulers and begin to harbor hatred towards the Republic which abandoned them, leading to a Cold War scenario as both sides start to build up arms due to their mutual distrust of each other. You can even have a lot of Imperial loyalists from the Core Worlds emigrate and join them because they disagree with how the New Republic runs things. They use their economic and technical skills to help the Outer Rim systems develop their economy further, which makes them an economic rival to the Republic-aligned Core Worlds.

A border skirmish between the two factions eventually snowballs another war between the Empire and the New Republic, once diplomatic talks break down and hostilities have mounted to a point where it's beyond salvaging.

Only in-universe explanation that makes sense is everyone prefers the Nazi larpers over the New Republic, especially scientists since they're afraid of Mon Mothma using the mind flayer on them.

Between the Clone Wars and the Empire, you had an entire generation of people who excelled at military engineering, only to be driven out of work once Mon Mothma forced an agenda of extreme demilitarization upon the Republic. So no shit, they'll look elsewhere for employment, and the First Order/Final Order is as good a place as any, considering they were designing top of the line starfighters/warships/planetary weapons. Instead of being shunned by a decentralized Republic because your bread and butter was making weapons of war, you get embraced by the First Order/Final Order, and your skills become a valued asset to their agendas, making you a valued member of their team.

fascism was always better than communism

Fascism is Communism with a Cross and a Flag for ease of digestion, as well as a slight tolerance for private property so long as you don't encroach on the matters of state. It's them realizing that Communism can't work, so they took its totalitarian political atmosphere and tweaked it a bit to make it more palatable to religious people, nationalists, citizens with private property, and economists.

 

[Adamska]

The  Empire was surprisingly gentle with them considering they were harboring Jedi fugitives. Other worlds like Kashyyyk had it worse for committing the same crime.

It's due to Sheev likely having some form of twisted fondness for the world being his stepping stone to power, but also Vader due to his hang ups with Padme. Vader would also not willingly ruin the planet his wife loved so much unless he was forced to do so after other methods failed.

Nice to see these idiots forgot that Naboo was very much like Denmark during the Nazi occupation. Oh yes, they kowtowed the line as asked, but made it very annoying for anyone dealing with them after the failed secession.

Also Wookies ain't human, and Sheev liked the Trandoshans more.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's due to Sheev likely having some form of twisted fondness for the world being his stepping stone to power, but also Vader due to his hang ups with Padme. Vader would also not willingly ruin the planet his wife loved so much unless he was forced to do so after other methods failed.

They deposed the pro-Jedi queen, appointed another as a puppet ruler, and allowed Moff Panaka to rule the sector afterwards. A pretty sweet deal, all things considered.

Nice to see these idiots forgot that Naboo was very much like Denmark during the Nazi occupation. Oh yes, they kowtowed the line as asked, but made it very annoying for anyone dealing with them after the failed secession.

Modern ANTIFA-types can't see the difference between that and the average Nazi. They think all who cooperate with the Fascists are as bad as them.

Also Wookies ain't human, and Sheev liked the Trandoshans more.

The Trandoshans were willing to shoot anyone for a price, whereas the Wookiees got squeamish when you try to make them fight "dishonorable" wars. Hence why the Empire was willing to use Trandoshans as mercenary auxiliaries, whereas the Wookiees got demoted to forced labor.

 

[Sneedmiser]

Wookiees make good slaves because a lot of them have technical knowledge, they're strong, and they have a lot of stamina. They were also unflinchingly loyal to the Republic and Jedi, so they were a natural target of the Empire.

 

[BullfrogBill]

It's official. The Rebellion was bad for Naboo.

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You'd think the Rebels would do better than just to punish a world because of its association with the Emperor, but no. Naboo became wealthy and powerful thanks to Palpatine's influence as a Senator, and during his reign as Emperor, it stayed wealthy and powerful, so the people who hated the Emperor punished the world, and it became a shithole after he was gone, and the New Republic allowed it to happen, doing nothing to salvage the world or dissuade people from punishing the Naboo.

Not only are the Rebels in this new canon complete asswipes who'd sacrifice fellow resistance fighters and their own guys, but they'd also punish people just because the Emperor was nice to them. The Rebellion's fall from Grace is complete. They are no better than animals who see everyone on the other side as a threat. Naboo was loyal to the Emperor, so they paid the price for that when the Rebels overthrew the man.

It is so fucking funny how the rebellion and New Republic in Disney SW is just modern day Democrat Progressives. How do the writers not realize that they are making the Rebels come off as the villains here which kind of shits in George Lucas' face don't you think?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It is so fucking funny how the rebellion and New Republic in Disney SW is just modern day Democrat Progressives. How do the writers not realize that they are making the Rebels come off as the villains here which kind of shits in George Lucas' face don't you think?

If an enemy makes a mistake, the last thing you do is stop them.

Between this comic and the Andor show, Disney has unmasked the wannabe-Antifas (who identify themselves as the Rebels) in our midst as a negative element. Why stop them?

After all, we still have the old Rebellion in the SWEU which was far more genteel and less rubbish.

 

[Übertroon]

And speaking of Kuvira's story, it could've gone the same. After the New Republic takes over, they become relaxed and decentralized, as a reversal of Palpatine's extreme centralization during the height of Imperial rule. However, this leads to many of the outlying worlds in the Outer Rim being left to fend for themselves. You can then introduce a few well-meaning Imperial remnants who left the core systems instead of disarming, and they use what's left of their military might to eradicate pirates, extragalactic invaders, and feuding factions, in order to create a lawful and organized society in the Outer Rim.

The people, thankful for the Empire's efforts, openly embrace their new rulers and begin to harbor hatred towards the Republic which abandoned them, leading to a Cold War scenario as both sides start to build up arms due to their mutual distrust of each other. You can even have a lot of Imperial loyalists from the Core Worlds emigrate and join them because they disagree with how the New Republic runs things. They use their economic and technical skills to help the Outer Rim systems develop the economy further, which makes them an economic rival to the Republic-aligned Core Worlds.

A border skirmish between the two factions eventually snowballs another war between the Empire and the New Republic, once diplomatic talks break down and hostilities have mounted to a point where it's beyond salvaging.

I wanted the warlords era of the Empire from the old EU to bridge the original and sequel trilogy, the Empire remaining a galactic faction, but a shadow of its former self

The villains in the sequel trilogy being more like the villains of Kotor 2, using subterfuge and clandestine tactics to strike at the heroes. The New Republic will have won the war, but be losing the peace.

I want the last set piece of the saga to be Coruscant burning to the ground as the villains put it to the torch, in the end the center of the galactic government is gone, both the sith and jedi order functionally gone, the galaxy dividing like the Roman Empire, and hopefully the franchise can end there or find a new path free from the shackles of the previous movies

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Disney’s writers want the Rebellion to be the LARPing as 1900s leftist revolutionaries, but it does make me think about how an actual class-based revolution would work in Star Wars.

We don’t get much of a class consciousness in Star Wars. We have some trade unions. The homeworld of the Gran species, Kinyen, is governed under the socialist demarchic Tayan League.

It would be fun to see a communist uprising in the Corporate Sector. Or, given how monarchies are prevalent in the galaxy, have an anarcho-monarchy.

 

[Eventide]

He hates Sidious so damn much because man replaced him and set him up to die in his mind. It was specifically realizing that he was a replaceable tool that made him hate Palpatine that much.

I found Maul's sudden Harlequin/Mill & Boon writing-style flowery soliloquies in the last season of Clone Wars to be fucking hilarious. He went from saying one or 2 words in the entirety of The Phantom Menace, to monologuing like Bloefeld in a 70's Bond film. I know everyone blames Kathleen Kennedy and her merry band of queer writers for fucking up Disney Star Wars, but damn, Filoni is just as bad, if not, worse!

Wookiees make good slaves because a lot of them have technical knowledge, they're strong, and they have a lot of stamina. They were also unflinchingly loyal to the Republic and Jedi, so they were a natural target of the Empire.

True. Although I've noticed there's been a trend with Disney Star Wars, depicting the empire as specifically enslaving animal (or animal-like) races. For example the Lepi rabbit people (wait, is Jaxxon canon now?) were depicted as slaves in a few of those Star Wars cartoon shorts.

 

[chocolatebargalileo]

I don't know if this video was already featured here. But I found it very informative and helpful about my opinion about George Lucas.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I found Maul's sudden Harlequin/Mill & Boon writing-style flowery soliloquies in the last season of Clone Wars to be fucking hilarious. He went from saying one or 2 words in the entirety of The Phantom Menace, to monologuing like Bloefeld in a 70's Bond film. I know everyone blames Kathleen Kennedy and her merry band of queer writers for fucking up Disney Star Wars, but damn, Filoni is just as bad, if not, worse!

Funny enough, Prequel haters like the Nostalgia Critic saw that as an upgrade. They complained that Maul didn't do enough in TPM, so Lucasfilm turned him into Sith Shakespeare as a response.

Again, everything you're getting in the New Star Wars was a response of people bitching at Lucas and the PT for their supposed "flaws", then Lucasfilm comes in to "correct" them. And yes, the same crowd that rag on the PT for how "bad" it was, is now the same crowd worshiping at the feet of Dave Filoni and how TCW "redeemed" the Prequels. In their view, Maul was redeemed because he went from a silent assassin to a Dark Side Shakespeare.

True. Although I've noticed there's been a trend with Disney Star Wars, depicting the empire as specifically enslaving animal (or animal-like) races. For example the Lepi rabbit people (wait, is Jaxxon canon now?) were depicted as slaves in a few of those Star Wars cartoon shorts.

Not all animal races suffered. The Trandoshans, for instance, got off real well. And they're not the only ones. Tarkin's wife hosted a ball where aliens who were allied with the Empire showed up, and they didn't look human in the least.

Leia described them as "Imperial Lackeys", meaning they weren't just guests of honor, but outright allies of the Empire.

Disney’s writers want the Rebellion to be the LARPing as 1900s leftist revolutionaries, but it does make me think about how an actual class-based revolution would work in Star Wars.

That's not gonna work in the SW galaxy, where you have different species and worlds. It'd be hard for you to convince the people of a world to turn against their own elites, when they probably would have more hate for you or the elites of other worlds. Like what happened with the Clone Wars, where the elites of both sides were hated by their enemies, not their own people.

We don’t get much of a class consciousness in Star Wars. We have some trade unions. The homeworld of the Gran species, Kinyen, is governed under the socialist demarchic Tayan League.

There's also the Chagrians where there's a welfare state that ensures everyone is well-taken care of.

It would be fun to see a communist uprising in the Corporate Sector. Or, given how monarchies are prevalent in the galaxy, have an anarcho-monarchy.

Communist uprisings probably won't work there; it'd be more a democratic uprising inspired by New Republic/Alliance ideals. Or a pro-Imperial coup which would put it under Imperial control.

 

[Eventide]

That's not gonna work in the SW galaxy, where you have different species and worlds. It'd be hard for you to convince the people of a world to turn against their own elites, when they probably would have more hate for you or the elites of other worlds. Like what happened with the Clone Wars, where the elites of both sides were hated by their enemies, not their own people.

My issue with the SW Galaxy - which started arguably in the Clone Wars (& was an issue even before Disney got their dumb claws on the property) - was that the Republic should have let the Separatists do their own thing, not gone to war with them.

Sure, many involved in the separatist movement had sinister goals (like the Cato Institute tossing endless cash behind Libertarian politicians. They don't care about personal freedoms - they just want to deregulate environmental laws so they can dump toxic waste into rivers or whatever Captain Planet-villain evil the late Koch Brothers' would get up to) - but to paint the Separatists as evil is throwing they baby out with the bathwater. If planets in the galaxy wanted to exercise their autonomy and not participate in the Republic, than the Republic (if it were fair) should have left them be! Since the Separatists leaders were all unceremoniously slaughtered by Vader (& a few by Republic forces) we have absolutely no idea what a Separatist galaxy would have looked like. Would it have ended up like the Empire? Honestly, I'm not so sure.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

What's also funny is that the Empire wasn't just good for Naboo, but for Ryloth as well. The local Imperial ruler was busy snorting space crack and enjoying the presence of green comfort women to do anything else:

It got to the point where the officers under the Moff even allowed the local Twi'leks to police themselves. Yet, the Ryloth Resistance Movement couldn't leave well enough alone; they had to start an uprising right when Darth Vader and the Emperor were visiting, causing the latter to force the Moff to shape up her act and be more proactive. Which eventually led to the situation we had in Rebels, where Thrawn of all fucking people was there, looting the place for cultural artifacts while giving the locals no freedom whatsoever. So it's obvious that the local Moff got replaced, and her replacement was more active in oppressing the locals, as opposed to just leaving them to rule themselves.

The Rebels haven't figured out that sometimes, it's just not worth it.

And before anyone says that Ryloth was good under the Republic, it was not. It was a horribly poor system. Hence why the Senator who represented them pigged out the moment he got to the galactic capital of Coruscant. Not only were they targeted by the Seps, but they were also constantly harassed by pirates and slavers in the years before the Clone Wars. Literally, putting turbolasers on some civilian mines was an upgrade compared to what came before:

My issue with the SW Galaxy - which started arguably in the Clone Wars (& was an issue even before Disney got their dumb claws on the property) - was that the Republic should have let the Separatists do their own thing, not gone to war with them.

That was Lucas' point. The fact that the Jedi went along with trying to force systems that seceded from the Republic to come back was a corruption of their ideals, and the start of their path to destruction; supporting an almighty state that one day, decided the Jedi were no longer tolerable.

Sure, many involved in the separatist movement had sinister goals (like the Cato Institute tossing endless cash behind Libertarian politicians. They don't care about personal freedoms - they just want to deregulate environmental laws so they can dump toxic waste into rivers or whatever Captain Planet-villain evil the late Koch Brothers' would get up to) - but to paint the Separatists as evil is throwing they baby out with the bathwater. If planets in the galaxy wanted to exercise their autonomy and not participate in the Republic, than the Republic (if it were fair) should have left them be! Since the Separatists leaders were all unceremoniously slaughtered by Vader (& a few by Republic forces) we have absolutely no idea what a Separatist galaxy would have looked like. Would it have ended up like the Empire? Honestly, I'm not so sure.

It'd probably be just a bigger Corporate Sector; many of the Sep leaders wanted a state with an unlimited commitment to capitalism.

 

[Sneedmiser]

wait, is Jaxxon canon now?

Yes.

 

[haunted vagina]

They're getting it from both ends. The dangerhairs think it's their mission to "deconstruct" Star Wars and show that good things are actually bad because of "toxic cishet bro fans" or whatever. The 75 IQ bideojamers are obsessed with "grey Jedi" and "the badass 501st" and how the Imperials were mostly innocent professionals because they have a 12-year-old's understanding of what's cool or just watched Clerks for the first time or are just Nazis flailing to reconcile their real-world politics with George Lucas's series about hippies rebelling against an authoritarian government. The idea of just writing a story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad and extending something resembling the themes the first six movies wanted to express is out of fashion. And most of all, the creators who can appeal to one set of political retards or another to cover up their bad writing are a dime a dozen and can be instantly replaced with the next one off the line as soon as they cause trouble, which Disney loves.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They're getting it from both ends. The dangerhairs think it's their mission to "deconstruct" Star Wars and show that good things are actually bad because of "toxic cishet bro fans" or whatever. The 75 IQ bideojamers are obsessed with "grey Jedi" and "the badass 501st" and how the Imperials were mostly innocent professionals because they have a 12-year-old's understanding of what's cool or just watched Clerks for the first time or are just Nazis flailing to reconcile their real-world politics with George Lucas's series about hippies rebelling against an authoritarian government. The idea of just writing a story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad and extending something resembling the themes the first six movies wanted to express is out of fashion. And most of all, the creators who can appeal to one set of political retards or another to cover up their bad writing are a dime a dozen and can be instantly replaced with the next one off the line as soon as they cause trouble, which Disney loves.

Fuck no. Much of the joy of playing as the Empire is just playing as the wall-chewing bad guys who have the power to act like assholes and absorb it in. It's just that the new lore and parts of the old lore can just have holes in it which lead to the opposite of their intended message. I mean, why did the largest citizen-army in the galaxy keep serving the genocidal space warlocks? Why are the good guys either ineffective Rebels who fuck up half the time, or using child soldiers in the form of teenage Jedi and ten-year-old Clone Troopers? And this got worse with Disney lore, since the new writers for it, both Filoni and Gilroy, they both think terrorism is a valid strategy for the good guys.

 

[haunted vagina]

The prequels did an incredibly good job of answering the question of "why did people put up with the Empire" - because it was the culmination of a generations-long plan to present the Empire as the only stable alternative to an all-consuming war that killed quadrillions of people. Then we got JJ Abrams and a bunch of stupid Disney writers who can't accept that and build on it, because they are still mentally trying to impress a 2002 AOL chat room full of children by showing how much they disregard the prequels.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The prequels did an incredibly good job of answering the question of "why did people put up with the Empire" - because it was the culmination of a generations-long plan to present the Empire as the only stable alternative to an all-consuming war that killed quadrillions of people. Then we got JJ Abrams and a bunch of stupid Disney writers who can't accept that and build on it, because they are still mentally trying to impress a 2002 AOL chat room full of children by showing how much they disregard the prequels.

Can you blame the Disney corpos, though? Their advisors probably told them that appeasing the PT haters would lead to windfall profits, because they're the loudest voices in the room, and it worked as far as TFA and Rogue One. So of course they went with it. They don't care about the movies' story quality, only that the money is flowing.