Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

It boggles the mind really. How can everything post-Disney be so subpar? They can't even get decent artists half the time.
Page rates for non-celebrity pencillers on comics are awful right now, maybe $250 if you have a track record of working well with writers and turning in work on time, more like $100 for the stable of European and Filipino nobodies that Marvel outsources most of the Star Wars stuff to. No one is buying Star Wars comics to look for advances in the art of drawing comic books so you get the bottom of the barrel. If you're an American and can complete work for hire efficiently you will make more money as the 17th-ranking anonymous man on the totem pole at the graphic design department of an ad agency, and if you're on the higher end of the second tier guys who do stuff like comics you're going to be put on X-Men or something like that, because there's plenty of guys who can do the six years out of date Star Wars adaptation where the quality of the art literally could not matter less.

If you work on a popular superhero book you also get a giant secondary income stream from showing up at conventions and autographing things, and royalties on characters you create who are used in future comics or movie adaptations. With Star Wars you get none of that, the fans don't really care about the comics and don't turn the artists into celebs and there is absolutely no ownership stake whatsoever. So the market always sorts the better creators away from licensed properties, even though Star Wars comics are some of the best selling titles.
 
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I started watching S2 of Andor last night, and since I enjoyed S1, my expectations were hopeful. I'm pretty much spoiled for the major plot points that come up later, but other than that, I'm going in blind. I got to the beginning of episode 4, and so far, the writing quality seems to have declined, at least in these first few episodes. Specifically, the fact that I just watched three episodes of straight exposition, there was little to no tension, and no direction so far.

I was a few beers deep, and I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that the Galactic Empire would care so much about illegal immigrants on an outer-rim farming world. How does immigration work in the Star Wars Universe? If you have the money, you can travel anywhere essentially, and if you can't and have to pay for another person to transport you, like a commercial flight, the empire could simply stop you at a spaceport if you had a space warrant, etc.

Yes, they could write up any excuse for the sake of the plot. On the other hand, they could've just made the audit/census check workers for warrants/records, and gone from there. It's implied that the planet has a labor shortage, so why would materalistic autocratic imperials give a shit about immigration status unless the worker was a criminal/rebel? It just felt so forced; it took me out of any of the tension during the scenes on the farming planet.

All I could think about was some reddit/twitter post I saw where some retard commenting on an ICE video said, "Look how quickly they take to walking around like STORMTROOPERS!!!". I guess Disney decided to make that a reality in this show, and start pushing down on the director to add more direct SJW slop, since the blatant lazy messaging wasn't a thing in S1.
The Bad Batch show displayed that the Empire forced everyone to register themselves and their chain-code to allow for safe passage. Anyone without proper identification would not be allowed to travel on a ship or through a spaceport.

That, and it makes perfect sense for the Empire to check for illegal immigrants, because there is a rebellion against them going on, and illegals could be rebels in disguise, hiding in plain sight. Which, in the case of Bix and her friends, is exactly what's going on. If that rapist Imperial officer did his job, he'd lock Bix up along with her friends, because not only are they border-jumpers without the proper paperwork, they're traitors, as well.

lso even if it's the case, the sequels and RatCo slop also says that it's fine to blast out the Dark Side so long as the Sith never touched it,
The canonical position of the old EU is that neither the Dark nor the Light Sides of the Force are innately good nor evil, but what you use them for is what counts, hence why Starkiller went to Space Heaven while Palpatine's soul rotted in Space Hell, despite the fact that they both spam Force Lightning like there's no tomorrow. Luke Skywalker also used his dad's signature Force Choke on the Gamorreans, despite his soul being closer to the Light than even Yoda or Ben Kenobi ever were.

It has routinely shown that democracy is retarded and doomed to fail, since RatCo's shit showed that no matter what the Galactic Republic was doomed to be run by evil retards in corpo pockets or whatever. Which hey true, that means demolish and rip apart Disney by this logic oh wait.
To be fair, that's the same case with the Republic in the SWEU; it's practically thanks to the Jedi that the Republic didn't fall apart, but the Republic turned a blind eye to Czerka enslaving the Wookiees, and they also turned a blind eye when the Trade Federation was running around, ravaging worlds for profit. They only cared about Naboo because that world had a senate seat, so they were forced to care.

The only time the Republic was shown to be decisive and good was during the SWTOR era, when they were under military law with the Jedi leading them, but even then, you had a lot of rotten apples underneath, from the Republic using Belsavis as a prison for political enemies, to the corrupt chancellor who tries to upstage the Alliance Commander.

It also shows that dictatorship is retarded and doomed to self implode due to one man fucking holding it and failing. Sheev failed twice even when the alleged protagonists attempted as hard as possible to self sabotage and shoot themselves in the fucking head. His one last hope was a fat blue dude who was trained wrong on purpose and thinks getting sodomized and watching your loth cat get eaten is a win.
I'm sure that was the failing of the old Empire as well, to the point where most of the Empire's forces were lost in a civil war after Palpatine died on Endor, since there were no legitimate successors strong enough to hold the throne.

Except this time, the blue dude in the old SWEU was actually smart and was able to hold the fort long enough until Sheev returned in Dark Empire.

It also shows that whatever garbage belief they have is wrong thanks to RatCo signing off on Andor and they want to be Sturmabteilung goons so bad probably. Your professional shitstirrers were fuck ups that spedrun deaths and asset loss. All ideologies and philosophy in all stripes is dumb, wrong, and gay thanks to RatCo.
Basically, the main difference in the Rebellion between the old canon and the new. The old Rebellion didn't want to needlessly sacrifice people, and they tried their best to preserve their assets as much as possible, because they knew the numbers game wasn't on their side. Far unlike the Andor rebels where they couldn't care less if entire populations died fighting the Empire, so long as they have a byline for Mon Mothma to use.

The old Rebellion in the OT and the SWEU were the conservative reactionaries who didn't like how Palpatine was rocking the boat, depowering the old Senatorial aristocracy and getting rid of the established Jedi Religion. The new Rebellion in Andor are Marxist revolutionaries who wouldn't give a shit if half the galaxy died just so they can "show the galaxy the Empire's true colors." Not to mention Andor himself saw Force-users as scum; with him calling that one Force-user on Yavin a kook, thinking that her powers were a sham.

Notice how the Andor show tried to make the Rebel Alliance proper (represented by that general on Yavin IV who didn't like Andor just coming and going) look like assholes. And how a lot of Andor fans are trying to make the old Rebels from the OT look like credit-stealing jackasses. The old Rebellion wasn't radical enough in their eyes, when they missed the point entirely; the Rebellion was trying to restore old traditions, not upend them.

Ironically, this is a practice in redudance; they didn't need to make the Rebels gray when Saw Gerrera already exists as a darker shade of gray among the Rebels. The other Rebels can retain their shining knight status, while Saw plunges his hands into the filth, so that others can keep theirs clean.
 
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To be fair, that's the same case with the Republic in the SWEU; it's practically thanks to the Jedi that the Republic didn't fall apart
In the post-RotJ EU it's basically the military and the Jedi that are the only competent forces in the New Republic too. The Senate is as full of retards as in the Old Republic, the bureaucracy is way up the Senate's ass. The New Republic is best understood as a benevolent behind-the-scenes military junta with the Jedi less a formal part of the power structure than in the Old Republic, because Luke wasn't interested in political power. While Yoda and the old Jedi Order ran the show until Palpy was like wtf the 'Republic' is a Jedi tyranny
 
In the post-RotJ EU it's basically the military and the Jedi that are the only competent forces in the New Republic too. The Senate is as full of retards as in the Old Republic, the bureaucracy is way up the Senate's ass. The New Republic is best understood as a benevolent behind-the-scenes military junta with the Jedi less a formal part of the power structure than in the Old Republic, because Luke wasn't interested in political power. While Yoda and the old Jedi Order ran the show until Palpy was like wtf the 'Republic' is a Jedi tyranny
My point exactly. The Rebels could've done better by just placing Leia on Palpatine's throne and forcing all the Moffs to go along with it. She's got every blood right to it (her dad was Darth Vader and her mom was Emperor Palpatine's former master) and it would be a good compensation for Tarkin blowing up her planet.
 
In the post-RotJ EU it's basically the military and the Jedi that are the only competent forces in the New Republic too. The Senate is as full of retards as in the Old Republic, the bureaucracy is way up the Senate's ass. The New Republic is best understood as a benevolent behind-the-scenes military junta with the Jedi less a formal part of the power structure than in the Old Republic, because Luke wasn't interested in political power. While Yoda and the old Jedi Order ran the show until Palpy was like wtf the 'Republic' is a Jedi tyranny
The differences between Luke's Jedi Order and the old Jedi Order seen in the prequels are very underappreciated in the EU. You have people, George Lucas included, that envision Luke's Jedi Order as being the exact same thing as the one seen in the prequels and it just doesn't work out for a story when you do it like that. Luke tried to have some form of separation from the Republic instead of trying to be a main fixture of the political structure like the old order, Luke made sure his Jedi Temple was in the wilderness woods of Yavin instead of the industrial giant city of Coruscant, Luke allowed the Jedi to form relationships and feel human as opposed to the old order that stripped the humanity from the Jedi (this one is the biggest one imo).

It's very important so you have a sense of progress in the story of the Jedi and Skywalkers instead of being in an endless loop of the same mistakes over and over again.
 
The differences between Luke's Jedi Order and the old Jedi Order seen in the prequels are very underappreciated in the EU. You have people, George Lucas included, that envision Luke's Jedi Order as being the exact same thing as the one seen in the prequels and it just doesn't work out for a story when you do it like that. Luke tried to have some form of separation from the Republic instead of trying to be a main fixture of the political structure like the old order, Luke made sure his Jedi Temple was in the wilderness woods of Yavin instead of the industrial giant city of Coruscant, Luke allowed the Jedi to form relationships and feel human as opposed to the old order that stripped the humanity from the Jedi (this one is the biggest one imo).

It's very important so you have a sense of progress in the story of the Jedi and Skywalkers instead of being in an endless loop of the same mistakes over and over again.
Aside from the no marriage thing, I'm sure even Lucas doesn't want Luke to repeat the same mistakes of the Old Republic. The PT Jedi were depicted to be flawed, hypocritical, un-empathetic, and unaware of the great evil sitting right in front of them. Repeating their mistakes is something Lucas would be against. Especially since in ROTJ he proved the Jedi to be wrong about Luke being able to redeem Vader; Yoda and Kenobi wrote Anakin off as a lost cause, Luke decided otherwise, and Lucas had the latter get his cake and eat it, too.
 
My point exactly. The Rebels could've done better by just placing Leia on Palpatine's throne and forcing all the Moffs to go along with it. She's got every blood right to it (her dad was Darth Vader and her mom was Emperor Palpatine's former master) and it would be a good compensation for Tarkin blowing up her planet.
I actually remember a fanfic story where they did something like that, though it was to Luke since Vader and so on didn't know Leia was his daughter at the time he wrote contingencies for if he dies. It's a damn shame it died, much like how it sucks so many idiots want to pretend RatSlop is canon.

Also extremely optimistic on the idea that the Moffs would collectively just suck it up and bow to a crowned figure, even if it's by blood. They were brought into a power hoarding structure and it was clear that successors in said empire were not via blood, but by a mixture of loyalty to the New Order, ambition, and then talent.

It'd just cause successor wars IMO, and you'd have parts of the Alliance to Restore the Republic actively flip and keep going.

Clean up was always going to be a big bitch to deal with.
 
I actually remember a fanfic story where they did something like that, though it was to Luke since Vader and so on didn't know Leia was his daughter at the time he wrote contingencies for if he dies. It's a damn shame it died, much like how it sucks so many idiots want to pretend RatSlop is canon.

Also extremely optimistic on the idea that the Moffs would collectively just suck it up and bow to a crowned figure, even if it's by blood. They were brought into a power hoarding structure and it was clear that successors in said empire were not via blood, but by a mixture of loyalty to the New Order, ambition, and then talent.
You can always threaten them with force if they don't comply. Some Moffs will go along with it, others won't, but the Rebellion and whatever allies they can scrounge up from the more moderate parts of the Empire have more than enough assets on their side. First of which would be Luke Skywalker, who's not just a talented pilot, but someone who's even stronger than Vader. That alone would inspire fear in many Moffs, since they were whimpering little rats whenever Vader was around. Tarkin was above Vader because Palpatine was his personal buddy, but I doubt there's any other Moff who had that relationship with the old man.

Speaking of the fanfic you mentioned, it would serve the Rebellion a lot if Vader survived. He can then order Death Squadron and the 501st Legion to whack any Moff who didn't go along with his sweet daughter's coronation. Although I suppose interactions with Han Solo are going to get awkward, not only for Vader, but also for Han's other friends.

Han: "You're such a stingy bastard, Lando. I swear, if I wasn't your Emperor, you'd have hit me already!"

*The Royal Guards turn their eyes towards Lando, who looks worried from the attention.*

Lando: "That's the worst thing about your wife's coronation. I'll never get to hit you again!"

It'd just cause successor wars IMO, and you'd have parts of the Alliance to Restore the Republic actively flip and keep going.
You can satisfy those people by restoring the Imperial Senate and giving it a decent amount of power.

Clean up was always going to be a big bitch to deal with.
Not if you had a strong Republic or an Empire with the right people in charge. An alternative to the Rebels crowning a monarch of their own would be to form a militaristic republic similar to that of Rome, where you have to serve in the Alliance/New Republic Military in order to run for office. That would ensure civil servants and career soldiers would be the kind of people willing to risk their ass for the state before they can run it. Butt-kissing toadies and greedy assholes need not apply, unless they're willing to serve a tour of duty where they have to cooperate with others to survive or get promoted.
 
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What do we have under 10 years of disney? Dogshit.
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Kinda late, but what's wrong with Respawn's Jedi games (Fallen Order and Survivors) and 2017 BFII? I know BFII had a terrible launch, but it's having a comeback currently.
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The new Rebellion in Andor are Marxist revolutionaries who wouldn't give a shit if half the galaxy died just so they can "show the galaxy the Empire's true colors."
Well, the Rebellion has always been likened to third worldists by some (including Lucas himself at some points) and what's a more tried and true third worldist tactic than knowingly allowing scores of your own people to be killed in order to own the imperialists?
 
Kinda late, but what's wrong with Respawn's Jedi games (Fallen Order and Survivors) and 2017 BFII? I know BFII had a terrible launch, but it's having a comeback currently.
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It's because they dumped it into X-box' game pass subscription, which meant you just could choose to play it. Combine that with the three years of on and off repairs to the shitcode, and it's a different beast to when it came out.

Fallen Order had bad models for characters and a really retarded Arc with Darth Vader and some Jedi chick who should've died, but is less shit than the horrid Ubisoft thing.

Also fun facts for both games listed:

RatCo is obsessed with spamming money at Fortnite, and are dumb enough to claim that this money wasted in it was why Battlefront had a resurgeance.

And Fallen Order was heavily mutilated and converted into the plot of the Obi Wan show, up to and including stealing entire segments and basing characters in it for that.
 
Well, the Rebellion has always been likened to third worldists by some (including Lucas himself at some points) and what's a more tried and true third worldist tactic than knowingly allowing scores of your own people to be killed in order to own the imperialists?
I suppose so, especially since people have begun to compared the Rebels in Andor to the Palestinians, just as Lucas compared them to the Vietnamese.

Not to mention that even in the OT, the Rebels were hiding military assets in civilian ships, like when they hid the stolen Death Star plans on a consular ship. Just like how the Palestinians hide weapons in hospitals.

RatCo is obsessed with spamming money at Fortnite, and are dumb enough to claim that this money wasted in it was why Battlefront had a resurgeance.
Then they're wrong. Battlefront 2 had a resurgence because the fans are trying to pressure EA to make a Battlefront 3.


 
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It's official. The Rebellion was bad for Naboo.

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You'd think the Rebels would do better than just to punish a world because of its association with the Emperor, but no. Naboo became wealthy and powerful thanks to Palpatine's influence as a Senator, and during his reign as Emperor, it stayed wealthy and powerful, so the people who hated the Emperor punished the world, and it became a shithole after he was gone, and the New Republic allowed it to happen, doing nothing to salvage the world or dissuade people from punishing the Naboo.

Not only are the Rebels in this new canon complete asswipes who'd sacrifice fellow resistance fighters and their own guys, but they'd also punish people just because the Emperor was nice to them. The Rebellion's fall from Grace is complete. They are no better than animals who see everyone on the other side as a threat. Naboo was loyal to the Emperor, so they paid the price for that when the Rebels overthrew the man.

Andor and the Kylo Ren comic have basically sealed in the fact that the Rebels in the new canon are complete dicks. you're better off betting on Old Palpatine or some other Imperial successor; the Rebels are just a bad bet for everyone involved.
 
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Sequel Trilogy fans trying to act like their slop is deep

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Like the movie would be interesting if this was an actual theme in it, but it really isn't.

The reason the First Order are Empire 2.0 is because Force Awakens was made to pander to OT fans as well as introduce Star Wars to China by rehashing the same shit. That's why TFA is just A New Hope but bigger, like it is just the same story but with added in nostalgia pandering of making heroes into failure old losers which is common now in legacy sequels and random mystery boxes JJ expected the directors of the next two movies to figure out for him.

Any political meaning TFA had is accidental.
Even if you interpreted it as the danger of the Empire resurging if not vigilant it's done sloppily and with no regard for worldbuilding.

The First Order just appears out of nowhere with near infinite resources and having built a superweapon several times larger than the death star. This isn't being negligent, this is being absolutely retarded.

Then the First Order invades and occupies the entire galaxy within a few days.

This is the equivalent of the nazi vampires in Hellsing Ultimate conquering the planet... as in all of it... simultaneously.

Even Legend of Korra of all things does it better, where fascism doesn't just appear out of thin air. Anarchists and bandits tear apart the former good guy kingdom, so a former ally has to restore order, but in the process decides that for order and security to be ensured then the kingdom needs to be restored by force, stronger, and with an iron grip .
 
Even if you interpreted it as the danger of the Empire resurging if not vigilant it's done sloppily and with no regard for worldbuilding.

The First Order just appears out of nowhere with near infinite resources and having built a superweapon several times larger than the death star. This isn't being negligent, this is being absolutely retarded.

Then the First Order invades and occupies the entire galaxy within a few days.

This is the equivalent of the nazi vampires in Hellsing Ultimate conquering the planet... as in all of it... simultaneously.

Even Legend of Korra of all things does it better, where fascism doesn't just appear out of thin air. Anarchists and bandits tear apart the former good guy kingdom, so a former ally has to restore order, but in the process decides that for order and security to be ensured then the kingdom needs to be restored by force, stronger, and with an iron grip .
Yeah like a competent writer would've saved something like Starkiller base to be for the middle or end of a trilogy than at the beginning but Iger and JJ wanted to rehash A New Hope.

But the First Order just indeed has infinite resources like somehow they're fine one day after their massive planet sized super weapon is blown up just to engage in the most boring chase scene for the entirety of a movie because JJ Abram's left The Force Awakens on a literal cliffhanger
 
Even if you interpreted it as the danger of the Empire resurging if not vigilant it's done sloppily and with no regard for worldbuilding.

The First Order just appears out of nowhere with near infinite resources and having built a superweapon several times larger than the death star. This isn't being negligent, this is being absolutely retarded.

Then the First Order invades and occupies the entire galaxy within a few days.

This is the equivalent of the nazi vampires in Hellsing Ultimate conquering the planet... as in all of it... simultaneously.

Even Legend of Korra of all things does it better, where fascism doesn't just appear out of thin air. Anarchists and bandits tear apart the former good guy kingdom, so a former ally has to restore order, but in the process decides that for order and security to be ensured then the kingdom needs to be restored by force, stronger, and with an iron grip .
Only in-universe explanation that makes sense is everyone prefers the Nazi larpers over the New Republic, especially scientists since they're afraid of Mon Mothma using the mind flayer on them.
 
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