Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The prequels did an incredibly good job of answering the question of "why did people put up with the Empire" - because it was the culmination of a generations-long plan to present the Empire as the only stable alternative to an all-consuming war that killed quadrillions of people. Then we got JJ Abrams and a bunch of stupid Disney writers who can't accept that and build on it, because they are still mentally trying to impress a 2002 AOL chat room full of children by showing how much they disregard the prequels.
Very well said. Excellent post.
Can you blame the Disney corpos, though? Their advisors probably told them that appeasing the PT haters would lead to windfall profits, because they're the loudest voices in the room, and it worked as far as TFA and Rogue One. So of course they went with it. They don't care about the movies' story quality, only that the money is flowing.
The main feeling i had driving home from my first time seeing TFA was that star wars was now in the hands of people who didn't care that much about it.

Back then i had never really considered there were people who were huge fans of the star wars movies, but NOT the EU. I guess i figured anybody who loved the movies would want more, but the praise that piece of shit got made me realize there are a lot of them. People who maybe played one or two of the games, but didn't think much about them, ignored the prequels, and just watched the OT a trillion times over.

I adore the OT but if that had been ALL there was of star wars growing up it wouldn't have had nearly as big a place in my hear.
 
Very well said. Excellent post.

The main feeling i had driving home from my first time seeing TFA was that star wars was now in the hands of people who didn't care that much about it.

Back then i had never really considered there were people who were huge fans of the star wars movies, but NOT the EU. I guess i figured anybody who loved the movies would want more, but the praise that piece of shit got made me realize there are a lot of them. People who maybe played one or two of the games, but didn't think much about them, ignored the prequels, and just watched the OT a trillion times over.

I adore the OT but if that had been ALL there was of star wars growing up it wouldn't have had nearly as big a place in my hear.
I actually always had a hard time talking about Star Wars to people irl when it came up in conversation because it feels like I'm talking about something else entirely. Even before Disney Star Wars was a thing most people only cared about the og trilogy and TCW and wanted to talk about that, I fucking love the og trilogy so that seems good until I realize I've read Brian Daley's radio drama versions more than I've actually seen the movies lol. There's a lot of differences between the films and those adaptations, it's two different worlds entirely really so I always had to switch up my thinking to level with the person I'm talking to. And that's not even considering the fact that when I do watch the og trilogy films I watch the unaltered original cuts instead of the mega altered special editions that most people watch today. People will want to have a conversation about the prequels and how trash they are but I can't be more lost because I've read the novels more than I've seen the movies and 99% of the points people bring up are non existent in the books, If I bring up some of the events from Cloak of Deception or The Approaching Storm or some shit I might as well be speaking a different language to them as well.

I've only met one other person irl that actually read the EU books and that's it so I always knew that only a select group of fans cared about any of that stuff, which just makes the scope and the amount of work the writers put into the EU making it so large and cohesive with everything way more impressive. Very interesting that a fairly small scale book and comic company put so much care and love into the story and world building of their product while a multi billion dollar industry of films and television shows can't be bothered to put that much work or love into their products.

It should be noted that the video games were the main way most people enjoyed the EU, I've met tons of people that grew up playing the Star Wars EU video games. That being said, a lot of people probably aren't aware of much outside of the video games and probably think they are still canon to the Disney timeline if they even think of "canon" as a concept at all.
 
This idea that the Rebellion has to forfeit the moral high ground to do dirty things against the Empire not only goes against their previous characterization in the old SWEU and the classical films, but it also makes for bad tactics. The Empire is constantly slandering and propagandizing against the Rebels, constantly making them look like terrorists. The last thing the Rebels need is hard evidence of such behavior being seen by the populace, or being presented by the Empire. It made practical sense for the Rebellion to stay on the moral high ground, as it allowed them to attract people of good, moral fiber into their ranks, including many Imperials who got sick of committing war crimes for the Empire, people like Crix Madine, for instance. That gave them a valuable military advantage that they were able to use to win the war in the end.

Meanwhile, if you have this backstab-happy Rebellion that can't even be trusted by its allies, that kills its operatives, a Rebellion that relies on chaos to fan the flames of dissent, then that would drive away the people with moral fiber, (AKA the people you need to build a stable army and society) and instead attract more of the criminal and terrorist element, making the dream of creating a peaceful New Republic down the line a pipe dream, as these idiots would do what it takes to stoke the flames of chaos, while also giving the Empire a propaganda win in the form of hard evidence that the Rebels are criminals and terrorists; instead of joining the Rebels, the people with moral fiber would either stick with the Empire and wipe out these radicals, or just disengage from the galactic political scene entirely.

But don't tell that to the Andor and Rebels fans; their heroes are the kind who carry out terrorist actions in broad daylight, in front of the commonfolk who could get hurt. The kind that would provoke a government to crack down on its citizens when previously, it left them alone to rule themselves. The kind that would send child soldiers against the enemy, while sacrificing/taking out their own allies when it's convenient. In other words, they've begun to worship the death of morality in the battlefield, and it's quite dark, if you look at it objectively. Especially considering the fact that the Rebel Alliance of old was squeaky-clean when it came to this shit, yet they still inspired fans in real life and in-universe to follow their lead.

Very well said. Excellent post.

The main feeling i had driving home from my first time seeing TFA was that star wars was now in the hands of people who didn't care that much about it.

Back then i had never really considered there were people who were huge fans of the star wars movies, but NOT the EU. I guess i figured anybody who loved the movies would want more, but the praise that piece of shit got made me realize there are a lot of them. People who maybe played one or two of the games, but didn't think much about them, ignored the prequels, and just watched the OT a trillion times over.

I adore the OT but if that had been ALL there was of star wars growing up it wouldn't have had nearly as big a place in my hear.
When it comes to my view of Star Wars, I never separated the old SWEU with the OT/PT films. To me, they're one big canon, and it's even moreso with the PT where it was shot with the intent that the SWEU was canon. I only learned about the movies/EU divide from bitchy VS Debaters who don't want to count feats from the SWEU as canon in a debate when debating Star Wars with other universes, because if they did count the SWEU, they'd lose immediately.
 
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It makes sense but also is meaningless. Actors deny being part of projects they've involved in. Actors also change their mind for many different reasons.

I assume Luke is going to be in the Mandolorian movie and they'll do the whole, "Mark Hamill helped play him" and they'll do the sad thing of having fat old Hamill on set in costume with out any of that being used in the final film. With another actor and a CGI head.
 
A tweet on modern Star Wars I actually agree with
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Disney fans always seem to drift between "Hardhitting satire of the US empire" and "Dumb bullshit for babies that an adult shouldn't get worked up about". It reminds me of CinemaSins: Just a joke video but also all my dumb complaints about the movie are perfectly valid.
 
A tweet on modern Star Wars I actually agree with
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Disney fans always seem to drift between "Hardhitting satire of the US empire" and "Dumb bullshit for babies that an adult shouldn't get worked up about". It reminds me of CinemaSins: Just a joke video but also all my dumb complaints about the movie are perfectly valid.
It's whatever excuse they wish to trot out. It's both a complex, hard-hitting satire of the US Empire and a dumb kiddie flick with wizards and space magic.

You're not dealing with people who have a consistent message; you're dealing with people making excuses for idiocy. And it makes sense, given that it's that fanmade idiocy that got Lucas to sell in the first place, especially since they did the same for the PT but in reverse.

"Kids don't want political scenes" they said. Meanwhile, they worship other IPs for doing the same thing.
 
It's whatever excuse they wish to trot out. It's both a complex, hard-hitting satire of the US Empire and a dumb kiddie flick with wizards and space magic.

You're not dealing with people who have a consistent message; you're dealing with people making excuses for idiocy. And it makes sense, given that it's that fanmade idiocy that got Lucas to sell in the first place, especially since they did the same for the PT but in reverse.

"Kids don't want political scenes" they said. Meanwhile, they worship other IPs for doing the same thing.
Most people just see SW as a dumb kiddie flick and just consoom whatever happens to be available without thinking about it.

Lucas took the deal because it was an offer he couldn't refuse. He'd already raised his family on the star wars money too so it was time to move on for him.

AOTC is still one of the worst movies ever made because its mostly political scenes around Padme at the senate. Could have cut the majority of them and fleshed out the battle of Geonosis instead. Was like being screwed out of the Prequel's equivalent to the Battle of Hoth. There's less than 5 minutes of one of the most intense battles of the entire Clone Wars that is still mentioned to this day. Its mostly closeup shots of Anakin and Obi wan in the gunship rushing to Dooku to get their ass beat with brief 5-10 second CGI shots of the action the film got its name from.

When people look back fondly on the Prequels, they are mostly referencing Revenge of the Sith and the Clone wars multimedia projects.
 
AOTC is still one of the worst movies ever made because its mostly political scenes around Padme at the senate. Could have cut the majority of them and fleshed out the battle of Geonosis instead. Was like being screwed out of the Prequel's equivalent to the Battle of Hoth. There's less than 5 minutes of one of the most intense battles of the entire Clone Wars that is still mentioned to this day. Its mostly closeup shots of Anakin and Obi wan in the gunship rushing to Dooku to get their ass beat with brief 5-10 second CGI shots of the action the film got its name from.
The political scenes are vital. It shows that Padme, the conscience of the Republic, can sense that going to war with the Separatists will go against her beliefs. That, and the idea of a consensus-run democratic government forcing those who want to leave to come back is inherently antithetical. Hence why she wants to stick to a diplomatic route to keep them in.
 
When people look back fondly on the Prequels, they are mostly referencing Revenge of the Sith and the Clone wars multimedia projects.
Nah, there's snippets of the other movies that are pretty good, though I will state that the multimedia projects and spin offs are what did the lifting for the project. I think the opening of Phantom Menace is solid, the Pod Racing arc was good, duel of the fates nice but mired in too many side-plots. I think Attack is bad, but I still do like the investigation of Kamino and the Ben Hur battle as well as the first part of Dooku's fight.

I don't think it's the politics that sucks either; it's the delivery of them which was always Lucas' weakpoint in working with people. People liked that political shit with Game of Thrones after all. I will note this is probably one of the few times I will agree on the Dolchstoßlegende horseshit being something real, since a lot of people who did critiques of this recycled Mike's take as Mr. Plinkett and don't clarify on why the politics are boring.

I can; it's that it's done a bit too dry at times, but that's mainly just in the Galactic Senate and it was an earnest attempt to show how stuffy and slow anything is in that body. It tried being realistic somewhat, but procedural can be quite boring. It's also only a couple of minutes long, and I think Jar Jar being used to break the levity did more harm here since he was used to essentially get kids to focus back just in case. The opening part of the film wasn't dry, since it was just an attempt to get the Trade Feds to back off and you could tell something was up.

AOTC suffers more from both it and Revenge having to speedrun Anakin's rise and fall since Phantom Menace should probably have not been made since it being years apart from them kind of fucks the pacing for said fall. A trilogy that shows that friendship and mentorship, the temptation and cracks, and final dissolution would've been stronger.

It rounds out when you slot Tartakovsky Wars into it, but that is a failing and a cope to defend the movie IMO, and why I tend to find the OT more consistently enjoyable due to it not needing those to aid in this.
A tweet on modern Star Wars I actually agree with
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Disney fans always seem to drift between "Hardhitting satire of the US empire" and "Dumb bullshit for babies that an adult shouldn't get worked up about". It reminds me of CinemaSins: Just a joke video but also all my dumb complaints about the movie are perfectly valid.
They flip-flop since they know they're defending crap and have lost the argument. They use that pivot to save face as a cope and to gish gallop when they get fucked on one axis too hard.
 
Video games were a mistake, the biggest problem by far with figuring out the sequel audience was autists who think that the "rules" established in KOTOR somehow not only matter at all to writing a movie in 2016 but override absolutely everything including the original movies.

They flip-flop since they know they're defending crap and have lost the argument. They use that pivot to save face as a cope and to gish gallop when they get fucked on one axis too hard.

All Disney properties do this, the "must be a self-deprecating quip every 90 seconds" thing in MCU is there so people whose entire lives revolve around Marvel movies can pretend they're "in on the joke" and "not taking it seriously." It's the same thing as people "ironically" calling themselves degenerate gamblers or "weebs" for anime or "dope fiends" - the ones who pretend that they understand how much it's destroying their lives are the ones with the most intractable problems because they are just smart enough to rationalize their behavior.
 
All Disney properties do this, the "must be a self-deprecating quip every 90 seconds" thing in MCU is there so people whose entire lives revolve around Marvel movies can pretend they're "in on the joke" and "not taking it seriously." It's the same thing as people "ironically" calling themselves degenerate gamblers or "weebs" for anime or "dope fiends" - the ones who pretend that they understand how much it's destroying their lives are the ones with the most intractable problems because they are just smart enough to rationalize their behavior.
Nah, that's due to being afraid of having to handle emotions IMO. Like they crack the jokes since they assume you're emotionally incontinent. That and these retards just ape Joss Whedon brainlessly since it worked for the big crossover movie.
 
Lucas made six of the exact movies he wanted, clearly does not care what fans or critics think of them and is extremely satisfied with what he achieved, and is enjoying his retirement with five billion of his own dollars and another five billion he got from the Disney sale that he's using for philanthropy. He figured it out and people like Elon and Rowling who have the money to do whatever they want and choose to spend 18 hours a day arguing on Twitter could learn from him.

He isn't disturbed by what Disney did to Star Wars because he knows his six movies are the ones people will remember in 100 years, and he actually, really learned not to have his life revolve around Star Wars unlike some people. He won harder than anyone in entertainment ever has.
 
He's old, he can no longer do Luke. He might change his mind later on to play another character, but I doubt it.
Nawh, I think Disney quietly gave Mark Hammill the boot, due to his terminal case of "being a mouthy libsh!t that can't keep off Twitter"-itis. They have enough problems with Star Wars, they don't need to add "'tard wrangling Luke Skywalker" to their ever growing list of stuff to fix.

...to be honest, I've always suspected Luke got unceremoniously offed in The Last Jedi, due to Disney executives being pissed about Mark Hammill making very spicy political takes. Not to mention, the whole "hiring private investigators to harass & threaten the Onlyfans model his son knocked up/threatening her so she'd abort his grandchild" scandal. Apparently the abortion pill she took at 7 weeks failed, and she took it as a sign from God to keep the baby - Mark Hammill was not amused.

*Ironically, the actor who plays Annakin Skywalker, Hayden Christianson, is a devout Evangelical/pro-Life/starred in a few schlocky made-for-tv Christian films.
 
Nawh, I think Disney quietly gave Mark Hammill the boot, due to his terminal case of "being a mouthy libsh!t that can't keep off Twitter"-itis. They have enough problems with Star Wars, they don't need to add "'tard wrangling Luke Skywalker" to their ever growing list of stuff to fix.
He also mouthed off about Disney Star Wars a lot, which no doubt did not help his case in the eyes of the Execs. Though that was funny and good.
 
Nawh, I think Disney quietly gave Mark Hammill the boot, due to his terminal case of "being a mouthy libsh!t that can't keep off Twitter"-itis. They have enough problems with Star Wars, they don't need to add "'tard wrangling Luke Skywalker" to their ever growing list of stuff to fix.

...to be honest, I've always suspected Luke got unceremoniously offed in The Last Jedi, due to Disney executives being pissed about Mark Hammill making very spicy political takes. Not to mention, the whole "hiring private investigators to harass & threaten the Onlyfans model his son knocked up/threatening her so she'd abort his grandchild" scandal. Apparently the abortion pill she took at 7 weeks failed, and she took it as a sign from God to keep the baby - Mark Hammill was not amused.

*Ironically, the actor who plays Annakin Skywalker, Hayden Christianson, is a devout Evangelical/pro-Life/starred in a few schlocky made-for-tv Christian films.
If anything, Disney would favor the former over the latter, especially when Disney canned Gina Carano for her spicy political takes.

I have a newfound respect for Hayden now.

Lucas made six of the exact movies he wanted, clearly does not care what fans or critics think of them and is extremely satisfied with what he achieved, and is enjoying his retirement with five billion of his own dollars and another five billion he got from the Disney sale that he's using for philanthropy. He figured it out and people like Elon and Rowling who have the money to do whatever they want and choose to spend 18 hours a day arguing on Twitter could learn from him.

He isn't disturbed by what Disney did to Star Wars because he knows his six movies are the ones people will remember in 100 years, and he actually, really learned not to have his life revolve around Star Wars unlike some people. He won harder than anyone in entertainment ever has.
I'm pretty sure Lucas donated all his Disney money to charity or something.
 
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Disney Store released a Bo Katan doll. So little girls can re-enact the fall of Mandalore/Bo Katan starting an Anti-Empire terror cell??? (...IDK, I never really care much for Mandalore-based Star Wars plotlines, in the EU/Legends or current Disney canon - I might be getting stuff wrong).
 
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Disney Store released a Bo Katan doll. So little girls can re-enact the fall of Mandalore/Bo Katan starting an Anti-Empire terror cell??? (...IDK, I never really care much for Mandalore-based Star Wars plotlines, in the EU/Legends or current Disney canon - I might be getting stuff wrong).
They can re-enact her slapping Ahsoka's butt then slaughtering innocent villagers before staging a false-flag op to get her sister deposed by a Mandalorian terror cell.

At least they didn't try to mask Canderous as a goody-goody two-shoe hero after he probably massacred through a dozen worlds in the Mandalorian Wars.
 
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