Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Professional Noticer]

it's not the clerk's job to go through 300+ docket entries to see what the status of discovery is.

Then wtf is his job? Because clearly he is doing it wrong.
Does that mean he just accepts things without checking anything beforehand? At this point, do you even need a human to get paid wages to issue these?

 

[and six goriilion others]

I have the sneaky suspicion that Greee did not read the transcript, did not read the written order and had tuned out at the end of the hearing because it was almost whore o'clock when the judge recapped his decisions.

It's truly baffling that he prefers to set 3+ people to work to "clarify" instead of just reading the order or transcript.

And as we all know the judge said no such thing BUT, in (grrrrr) fairness, Hardin's ORIGINAL motion for stay of discovery (ECF 245) was:
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But for anyone who paid attention at the hearing and/or read the order after the hearing (which leaves out Dipshitforlips), the judge opted to stay discovery in a different way: Pending ruling the motion to dismiss. But with Greer, what he thinks, assumes, and feels is more important than what a judge actually says and orders, so here we are.

I like how even in Greer's version where discovery is stayed until the remaining Defendants are served, discovery is still stayed and Greer violated it.

 

[DavidS877]

Then wtf is his job? Because clearly he is doing it wrong.
Does that mean he just accepts things without checking anything beforehand? At this point, do you even need a human to get paid wages to issue these?

Clerks are facilitators. They make things go. They're not responsible for the details of the case. Presumably they do check the file but unless it was somehow marked they are going to just issue them. Most of the time a lawyer can issue it himself and just notify the court. Being a pro se retard means he has to ask the clerk. But in any case it's the responsibility of the parties not to fuck this shit up and that's why Mr. Hardin came back with an immediate request for sanctions as Greee fucked up by not following the procedure. I assign 0 fault to the clerks. Now, if it happens again I'll bet there's a flag on the file saying "Subpoena issuance requires judicial review for this case."

 

[RodgerDodger]

Then wtf is his job? Because clearly he is doing it wrong.
Does that mean he just accepts things without checking anything beforehand? At this point, do you even need a human to get paid wages to issue these?

Yes that is what the Clerks job is. It is the litigants job to know if or when issuing a subpoena is improper. And to know the status of the case. The Clerks job is to issue any requested subpoena's. They do not review them for conflicting orders. If one of the parties violates an in effect order the party faces sanctions.

 

[Tiresome]

The judges should realize by this point they are trapped in this nightmare forever and only they have the power to put a stop to it.

 

[Professional Noticer]

its valid

its valid

Thank you for the explanation guys.
I guess I'm just mad at the internet because of how the system works - everything law related is thousands and thousands of dolars, but these things still happen.
But honestly after hearing the explanation, it makes sense. I'm just happy that Null has Hardin on his side, he is the unsung hero of the farms.

I apologise for being a retard kiwifrends.

 

[Rainbow Idiot]

Then wtf is his job? Because clearly he is doing it wrong.
Does that mean he just accepts things without checking anything beforehand? At this point, do you even need a human to get paid wages to issue these?

At our local courthouse there is a giant sign that says in part that it is a felony to knowingly file a false declaration. The clerks will file darn near anything unless they know your a retard.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I get this is federal, but it's also happening in Utah. Is there any way to find our what this 4 year, going on 5 year case has cost the Utah taxpayers? I want to quantify the retardation Greer has inflicted on my state

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

He always fucking does this.

In person he's all "yes sir, no sir, three bags fucking full sir" and then when he decides he'd like to start moving the case, we need a Motion to Undo The Thing I Explicitly Agreed to.

Maybe next time don't just assume the Magistrate will just give you a sabbatical to pitch whorehouses on land you don't own and then you'll be able to pay fucking attention.

Investigating fraud on the court, contempt of court and regular old garden variety fraud, through the acquisition of public documents is not discovery.

Read a fucking book, you dribbling imbecile.

 

[DHugo]

I feel schizophrenic now. Didn't he explicitly say in a filing that he didn't actually think Hardin was doing discovery, it was just a typo?

 

[cromit]

“Has been trying to serve” is another lie, I don’t see that citations/summons have even been issued.

This guy really does just slur out whatever he feels like, whether it’s true or not.

 

[obsdj]

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I feel schizophrenic now. Didn't he explicitly say in a filing that he didn't actually think Hardin was doing discovery, it was just a typo?

No, I think you are thinking of where he accused Hardin of subpoenaing Huber (I wonder how that guy's doing these days!) and then said "subpoenaed" was a typo for "emailed."



But he absolutely thinks Hardin filing public records requests constitutes discovery.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Then wtf is his job? Because clearly he is doing it wrong.
Does that mean he just accepts things without checking anything beforehand? At this point, do you even need a human to get paid wages to issue these?

It's ordinarily not even the clerk's job to issue subpoena's. They only have that ability when there is a party without a lawyer. Likewise for filing stuff. Bar court orders/corrections/rule allowed actions (appellate clerks can extend deadlines without the court's imput a few times)/etc, filing stuff is nowadays handled by the lawyers.

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I feel schizophrenic now. Didn't he explicitly say in a filing that he didn't actually think Hardin was doing discovery, it was just a typo?

He did regarding his own claim that Mr. Hardin was subpoening Mr. Huber. He didn't walk back other discovery claims

 

[ScooterL]

The judge probably said that because he had no idea what words had just come out of Greee's mouth.

The judge didn't say that in response to Russell's declaration that he'd issue a subpoena.

The order of the screenshots in Fatman's post is misleading. There's a few minutes of the judge and Hardin talking in between the two statements. The judge said "fair enough" in response to Hardin saying he'd likely be making a renewed motion for sanctions.

There's nothing at all in the entire discussion suggesting that Greer was allowed to issue his attempted subpoena, and one clear statement that the only discovery allowed was Russell's production of the document he's been ordered to produce.

The judge didn't explicitly forbid Russtard from issuing the subpoena

Sure he did, when he said "I have stayed discovery until the Motion to Dismiss is filed with one exception, and that is Mr. Greer has 14 days to produce the documents that were previously ordered under ECF No. 227."

 

[RodgerDodger]

I just realized why Greee is suddenly trying to do this. And attempting to do it on the downlow, without asking permission to subpoena with Discovery Stayed. The Amended complaint was ECF 247. Filed on 2/28/25. He had 90 days from then to serve the new parties or face dismissal. oopsie! That's gonna be more excusable neglect now isn't it? he was hoping to ramrod it through a few days late on the assumption that teh court would overlook it like they have all of his other missed deadlines. He really is a fucking con man. A very bad one. But he's so used to being able to break rules because he's a disabled retard that he actively does it to harm others.

 

[Unknown God]

I'm just happy that Null has Hardin on his side, he is the unsung hero of the farms.

Dude, there's people gooning to pictures of him not two pages back. If anything, he's being sung a little too much.

As for Greer's fuckery, even if he was allowed to send subpoenas, it has been discussed that the discovery process is not an appropriate avenue for serving co-defendants. Why the fuck should a defendant help the plaintiff in this? It is 100% his burden to locate anyone he wants to serve. I wonder if trying to blatantly misuse the process like this can also be thrown into the growing pile of sanctionable shit he does.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I just realized why Greee is suddenly trying to do this. And attempting to do it on the downlow, without asking permission to subpoena with Discovery Stayed. The Amended complaint was ECF 247. Filed on 2/28/25. He had 90 days from then to serve the new parties or face dismissal. oopsie! That's gonna be more excusable neglect now isn't it? he was hoping to ramrod it through a few days late on the assumption that teh court would overlook it like they have all of his other missed deadlines. He really is a fucking con man. A very bad one. But he's so used to being able to break rules because he's a disabled retard that he actively does it to harm others.

Clearly, 90 days means Business Days, and if he's doing his day job as a famous Brothel Owner, Real Estate Mogul, and Whore Reviewer (who is also so, so pooh and a weetard so ya'll can't ask him to pay for nuffin, in fact, Null should have to pay to be sued!) then those days don't count. By my math he has until November to serve the new parties, maybe December if he works some extra doordash shifts to get him his penis sucked a few more days than normal!

 

[RodgerDodger]

I wonder if trying to blatantly misuse the process like this can also be thrown into the growing pile of sanctionable shit he does.

Hardin filed for Sanctions regarding this, this morning.

 

[DHugo]

But he absolutely thinks Hardin filing public records requests constitutes discovery.

He did regarding his own claim that Mr. Hardin was subpoening Mr. Huber. He didn't walk back other discovery claims

I was foolish enough to believe he learned what discovery is and isn't from that.

 

[Unknown God]

Hardin filed for Sanctions regarding this, this morning.

I know, but this sanctions filing was about Greer trying to subpoena while discovery is stayed. My point is, even if discovery was not stayed, using it to try to force a defendant to help the plaintiff do shit that is entirely the plaintiff's responsibility may also be a sanctionable misuse of the process, or at least it would make sense to my layman brain.