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Friendly reminder more Americans died on 9/11 than D-day, in our collective conscious it was some "herculean sacrifice" but in reality it was mid '44 and the Russians had the Germans on the ropes, we came in when we did so that we could "save" some parts of Europe from soviet "liberation".
It is very true our losses were low compared to the Soviets, stated that in my original post. Matter of fact, about the time of D-Day the Soviets launched Operation Bagration, which badly hurt the Germans, want to say it pretty much wrecked Army Group Center. They also launched an offensive in the East to take pressure off us during the Battle of the Bulge.

The Soviets lost about 27,000,000 dead, military and civilian, of all causes during the war. The USA lost just over 400,000 military and a few civilians. The UK's losses were about 500,000 military and civilians, this is off the top of the head.

Been reading WWII history over 60 years myself.
 
Cancer fucking hurts, so he's likely been on painkillers and maybe even a few anti-anxiety drugs which can make you loopy. That's why he had so many handlers, that's why Hunter was with him in the White House, that's why Jill followed him around everywhere: Joe Biden had cancer the entire time he was president and everyone who knew covered it up. Democrats pulled another FDR on the whole country.
This is exactly what I think. And, even if it's not true, it'll soon become "common knowledge" and enter into the history books as the factual reason Biden couldn't function in public. Won't matter if he really DID have dementia, in 20 years everyone's going to KNOW it was due to cancer treatment...
 
Im not going to argue speech with you. Josh got a court order. He followed it. Failure to follow it would result in termination of the site. If you are so mad, talk to dear feeder.
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are you ok boss? Im neither mad nor questioning nulls decsion im asking you defend you position on free speech, if you dont wanna do that its ok I just wonder what your doing on a US politics thread if you wont wanna talk about your thoughts and opinions on US policy.
 
That would end up being a highly controversial issue though, that almost certainly would make Elon and the Democrats team up, and the Democrats will be completely vindicated for a lot of people. They would probably even make a movie about it. I think it's a moot point because I don't think SpaceX shareholders would allow it to get to that point in the first place after all this time and progress being made, though I'm no expert on the topic.
It depends. I just browsed my twitter timeline man. Elon is getting shit on hard. He has crashed out. I do not think that many people would give a fuck. That said, the shareholders as you mentioned will proably win out in the end before that becomes a problem.
 
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are you ok boss? Im neither mad nor questioning nulls decsion im asking you defend you position on free speech, if you dont wanna do that its ok I just wonder what your doing on a US politics thread if you wont wanna talk about your thoughts and opinions on US policy.
This fucking dude uses the light theme. Boo this man. Boo!
 
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are you ok boss? Im neither mad nor questioning nulls decsion im asking you defend you position on free speech, if you dont wanna do that its ok I just wonder what your doing on a US politics thread if you wont wanna talk about your thoughts and opinions on US policy.
First off -light mode- ew. Second, you are under the assumption the farms is a #freespeech website. Its not. This is Josh's bar. We are welcome here until he deems us niggers. He need give zero reason for an account termination. US Policy affects the farms assofar as it affects Josh's ability to govern the site with minimal intrusion.
 
Looks like shitlibs have raised the limit on allowable theft in California. When they effectively legalized shoplifting, criminals were given license to steal up to $950 worth of goods:
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Why is shoplifting so rampant? Because state law holds that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor, which means that law enforcement probably won’t bother to investigate, and if they do, prosecutors will let it go.

To the greedy Democrats who rule over the erstwhile Golden State, $950 is chump change. Unless police show up to arrest Gavin Newsom soon, we can assume the cutoff has risen to at least $7 billion:
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Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy threatened Wednesday to pull federal grants for California’s High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) after it spent nearly $7 billion in taxpayer funds over a decade and a half without laying a single foot of track.

California allowing chains like Walgreens to be looted out of the state pales in comparison.
Originally passed as a ballot initiative in 2008, the 800-mile rail line was supposed to be completed in two phases on a $33 billion budget by 2020, with a main line connecting San Francisco with Los Angeles and branches stretching north to Sacramento and south to San Diego

Why federal taxpayers should have to finance California ballot initiatives is left unexplained.
By 2019, California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom announced that there was no path forward after costs ballooned to $77.3 billion and the project was drawn down to a 171-mile section between Merced and Bakersfield.
 
With Elon already passive aggressively quote posting support I think we're over the hump unless Trump doubles down on his rhetoric. I doubt either party are going to go act like bros any time soon, but I can see it stopping here without further escalations.

This is Josh's bar.
If the website is Jersh's bar, than we must consider that individual threads are themed tables which begs the question:

What is the USPG2's signature cocktail? It can't be the Negroni, that's site wide.
 
Looks like shitlibs have raised the limit on allowable theft in California. When they effectively legalized shoplifting, criminals were given license to steal up to $950 worth of goods:
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To the greedy Democrats who rule over the erstwhile Golden State, $950 is chump change. Unless police show up to arrest Gavin Newsom soon, we can assume the cutoff has risen to at least $7 billion:
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California allowing chains like Walgreens to be looted out of the state pales in comparison.


Why federal taxpayers should have to finance California ballot initiatives is left unexplained.
California has the right idea. Cops shouldn't waste their time on petty theft like this. Especially with budgetary and staffing issues.

.... however, where California fucked up is they have a nigger problem. That should be solved first before you start relying on the decency of human behavior in societal rules.
 
His singlemindedness to the task is his greatest downfall. He likes the jeets because they're cheap and further his goals. Americans aren't cheap. They demand shit like 8 hour work days and breaks and vacation time and sheet nigga. From a pure productivity standpoint its inefficent. But from a reality stand point, its peak performance. 1 american can do the job of 100 jeets when properly motivated. Unfortunetly he's rich, autistic, and hasn't been told no in a very long time. When you've had your ass kissed for your entire adult life, it changes you. People aren't people, but tools. What's happened recently has been nothing short of a verbal asskicking. I hope he takes it to heart and learns why people are mad at him.
He delved too greedily and too deep into the Profane Knowledge of :medallion:, Gandalf.
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With Elon already passive aggressively quote posting support I think we're over the hump unless Trump doubles down on his rhetoric. I doubt either party are going to go act like bros any time soon, but I can see it stopping here without further escalations.
Nothing is going to happen because this is the normie approved opinion:
This is so fucking over. It was over before it fucking began. This will be forgotten in a week.
If the website is Jersh's bar, than we must consider that individual threads are themed tables which begs the question:

What is the USPG2's signature cocktail? It can't be the Negroni, that's site wide.
Straight everclear with a blackpill umbrella.
 

WASHINGTON — A top White House aide is taking the blame for helping trigger President Trump’s fiery clash with Elon Musk — after speaking for months about giving the billionaire “payback” and even gloating to colleagues when Tesla’s stock price dropped, The Post has learned.

Sergio Gor, Trump’s director of presidential personnel, was instrumental in the president’s decision late Saturday to yank the nomination of Musk’s personal friend Jared Isaacman to be NASA administrator, turning a contained disagreement on legislation into a firestorm of insults, five sources inside or close to the White House tell The Post.

Isaacman’s donations to Democrats — including $100,000 in 2021 to a PAC linked to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) — would disqualify most nominees under Gor’s standard vetting process. But Isaacman wasn’t pulled by Trump until hours after Musk left his unpaid White House role, at Gor’s urging.

Musk was Trump’s top financial backer in the 2024 election and this week’s clash has put the president’s legislative agenda at risk — and even threatens long-term political damage after Musk endorsed Trump’s potential impeachment.


Musk and Gor disliked each other since before Trump reclaimed power on Jan. 20 — with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO describing Gor as “sleazy” during the transition and questioning his staffing picks. But the world’s richest man had the president’s ear and friendship through last week.

Simmering behind the scenes was a grudge nursed by Gor over a March 6 cabinet meeting, during which Musk “humiliated” him by slamming the pace of staffing the administration, said the sources, each of whom have interacted closely with Gor.

“He was bragging to other people that he was going to get one last shot at Elon out the door. He was going to get Elon back for making him look bad,” said one source.

“Elon was always telling the president ‘Sergio’s not moving fast enough to hire people. He’s not the right guy for the job.’ In front of the entire cabinet he said that. It’s not just humiliating, but the president starts looking at him like, ‘Why aren’t you doing your f—ing job?’”

Another said: “Sergio was upset about Elon dressing him down at the meeting and said he was going to ‘get him’. [Isaacman’s nomination being pulled] was the modern-day equivalent of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand. Sure, Sergio got a scalp, but what did POTUS get?”

Three sources say Gor’s intensely personal dislike of Musk was illustrated by his periodic celebrations when Tesla’s stock cratered.

One source said that they were present when Gor laughed with satisfaction while showing off the dips in Musk’s wealth.

“He’d go around showing Tesla stock prices going down and laugh about it, like he was responsible for taking the Tesla stock down,” this person revealed, adding that Gor would “randomly” bring up the topic inside the West Wing and the Oval Office, even calling up the “stocks” app on his phone whenever an uncomplimentary story about the mogul emerged.

The other said they heard from Gor repeatedly when Tesla stock tumbled, saying the official would text screenshots of the Wall Street thumping to friends along with negative articles about Musk

A third source described in detail two text messages that they received from Gor mocking Tesla’s share price fluctuation.

“Elon was, like, his obsession, and he would plant a story on Elon and he would send me the link and then send me a screenshot of Tesla’s stock price with a laughing face,” this person said. “I own Tesla stock, so this is not a good thing for me!

“It showed how intense that fight had become, and how committed and obsessed with it Sergio was, and that’s what I don’t think anybody has really captured.”

Shortly after the March 6 meeting, this source said, Gor forwarded a New York Times article describing how cabinet secretaries had aired concerns about Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) — an account that made no mention of Musk chiding Gor.

Along with a link to the Times article, Gor “screenshotted a graph of the stock and showed it red,” the tipster said, adding that Gor also mocked the occasion when Trump publicly purchased a Tesla from Musk on the White House driveway on March 11.

“Sergio was making fun of it. He sent this image of it from the TV, and it showed Elon standing there with Trump, and the way he captured the picture made Elon look like he’s sad … and then he sends the stock price screenshot behind it, as if to say … that he’s basically got to go out to try to get the president to pitch his cars to people, because of the stock price.”

Gor denied to The Post that he ever sought revenge against Musk and insisted that claims he openly rejoiced at Tesla stock falling were false.

Steve Bannon, a Gor supporter, told The Post that he believes that the breakdown had nothing to do with the relatively obscure White House aide — citing months of disagreements, including Musk’s dislike of Trump’s tariffs, Trump’s cancelation of a planned Pentagon briefing for Musk about China and the president not acting to extend Musk’s 130-day tenure as a special government employee.

“It’s the president and Elon. This has nothing to do with Sergio Gor. Sergio Gor is a staffer that the president has to do things,” Bannon argued.

“Did Elon have a problem with Sergio? Yes, the fact that we are not hiring enough — guess what? — liberal f–king progressive Democrats.”

Bannon, who has pushing for Musk to be deported despite him being a naturalized American citizen since 2002, added claims that Gor was at the root of the clash were “absolutely ludicrous”

“This is all about the behavior … the incompetence, the lack of performance, the drugs which President Trump is very upset about, all of it, of Elon Musk,” Bannon said.

Although the White House was rife with tension for months with Musk and Gor “hating each other,” the bad feeling never spiraled out of hand until Thursday, when Trump and Musk went at each other with personal attacks.

Although Musk’s criticisms of the “Big, Beautiful Bill” gained significant attention, the president was chummy with the tech mogul on his last day in government May 30 — despite clips circulating for three days of the billionaire telling “CBS Sunday Morning” that “I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful but I don’t know if it can be both.”

As part of the send-off, Trump and Musk praised each other in the Oval Office, with the latter receiving an ornate key to the White House.

Only after Isaacman’s nomination was pulled Saturday night did the tit-for-tat build, with Musk calling the bill a “disgusting abomination” Tuesday. The fight erupted further Thursday as Trump contended he would have won the election even without Musk’s help and the businessman firing back that the Jeffrey Epstein files contain information on the president.

“The NASA guy was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” one White House source said, arguing that Gor wanted “to bury the knife in [Musk’s] back.”


Musk is not the only White House figure to cross Gor, according to this source, who added that the personnel boss helped far-right activist Laura Loomer gain a meeting with Trump in the Oval Office, after which six National Security Council officials were fired — while national security adviser Mike Waltz was moved out to become ambassador-designate to the United Nations.

“There’s just one staffer that’s in the middle of every drama, leak and chaos that exists. It’s been a detriment to the president and the organization,” they said.

“We’ve bounced basically two billionaires from the party and from the movement, because Sergio doesn’t like them. And what does that do for anyone, or the cause?”

White House Communications Director Steven Cheung called Gor “a vital member of the team and he has helped President Trump put together an administration that is second to none.”

But one source close to the White House said that illumination of the roots of the Trump-Musk feud could help prevent potentially devastating political consequences for Republicans.

“I think it will help,” the insider said. “If Elon understands that this was not the president that was going after him and that the president was played by Sergio, I think Elon might look at it as an opportunity to say, ‘Ok, let’s put this s— to bed. And this guy thinks he’s going to get me? I’m going to get him.’”
 
Bannon is correct. The Defense Production Act could take over SpaceX. There is nothing "illegial" about it. Its more of a wartime law, but it is still law. If musk wants to fuck with the military putting satelites in orbit, something Space Force no doubt would take issue with, they WILL take over, and Musk can do nothing.
Bannon is a retard and should never be listened to.
 
It is very true our losses were low compared to the Soviets, stated that in my original post. Matter of fact, about the time of D-Day the Soviets launched Operation Bagration, which badly hurt the Germans, want to say it pretty much wrecked Army Group Center. They also launched an offensive in the East to take pressure off us during the Battle of the Bulge.

The Soviets lost about 27,000,000 dead, military and civilian, of all causes during the war. The USA lost just over 400,000 military and a few civilians. The UK's losses were about 500,000 military and civilians, this is off the top of the head.

Been reading WWII history over 60 years myself.
In the first battle of Kiev the USSR lost more men as POWs IN A SINGLE ENGAGEMENT than we lost as casualties in the whole war.
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Literally 2 days before that above battle concludes the battle of Białystok–Minsk kicks off, thats another quarter million captured, also 5k tanks just like that
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At the EXACT same time as that they lost half a million as POWs at Smolensk
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All this happened within the first 3 months of the fight with 2 of them happening in the first month, this is what I mean by Russians ability to sacrifice is unparalleled. you could look at this and think "They should have got better at fighting and they wouldnt have had to lose so many men". Sure easy to armchair general 80 years removed, but do you realize how absurd it is they stayed in the fight after losing more than a million men as POWs in the first months? thats more men than most whole nations ever fielded and the USSR was just like
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this was 1941! US boots on European beaches were 3 years out and you just lost a million men and the German army is about to overrun your industrial base but instead of quiting stalin calls up 5 million more men and order the factories packed up BRICK BY BRICK and shipped thousands of miles east into the Orel mountians and beyond.

You are understanding me right, they picked up and MOVED their entire heavy industrial base, THOUSANDS of miles under wartime conditions. No other nation has ever come close to such a feat.

I could gush for hours about how absurd the USSR staying in, to say NOTHING of WINNING, the second world war, Ive read the personal diarys and accounts of many famous and respected German Generals that simply couldnt fathom how a nation or people could continue to front a structured defense after what they kept experiencing. They burned the ground and spiked railroads as they retreated and drew the nazis into broken ground and waited for it to get brass monkey cold before brining in the Siberian units to show the Germans what pain and suffering really mean.

Dont mean to highjack your post mr stalin, im sure you know plenty, I just have a little resentment for the american excpetionalism around ww2, we kept the free world armed and clothed, yes, but who was the one fighting the Hun on the ground using those weapons and boots? They lost 20 million, primarlily young men, think about that, we called the people who came back, and they almost all did come back "The greatest generation" if thats true that means the russians had to scarifice their "greatest generation" to defeat the nazis.

So while we look back to 81 years ago and pat outselves on the back well done, it important to remeber the sacrifice allies made so we could do it. had the russians capitulated in 41 after lossing 3 whole army cores NAzi germany would have been connected to its ally Japan in the east and had all the natural reasources and oil it needed to stay in the war indefinatly and instead of a beleguarede, denuted and ill trained garrison on the atlantic it would be the entirety of the german military ready to throw our boys back into the sea.
 
Edit to quickly add: I was a little surprised DeSantis didn't do any better in the 2024 primary. I didn't think he would win, but I expected him to perform better.
He had some of the fuckign WORST influencers around him. Rubin, Cardildo, and that teeny tiny jew reeboi. Among some other smarmy fucks that still push Desantis to this very day.


Was this due to any deeper connection that you are aware of or is it a straightforward ideological alignment? Or does Massie just really hate Trump?
I think he just sees Desantis as Trump without the baggage, him and Chip Roy were all in for Desantis over trump, and Roy even called maga a bunch of "motherfuckers" at one point, lol.

Desantis was over before he even started, Randy Fine fucked him pretty hard, which, is very funny. Randy talked desantis into 1 signing the pamplet bill, 2 signing it IN israel, then turned around and endorsed Trump before he put his luggage away. I hate randy fine, but that shit really did a ton of damage to Desantis. not just a bill shitting on the first amendment, but signing a bill in another country is just a horrible look.
 
So while we look back to 81 years ago and pat outselves on the back well done, it important to remeber the sacrifice allies made so we could do it. had the russians capitulated in 41 after lossing 3 whole army cores NAzi germany would have been connected to its ally Japan in the east and had all the natural reasources and oil it needed to stay in the war indefinatly and instead of a beleguarede, denuted and ill trained garrison on the atlantic it would be the entirety of the german military ready to throw our boys back into the sea.
As a reminder, long before American boots hit Normandy, the American industrial base was supplying the Russians. Russia's willingness to sacrifice wouldn't have meant much without the good ol' USA.
 
Desantis was over before he even started, Randy Fine fucked him pretty hard, which, is very funny. Randy talked desantis into 1 signing the pamplet bill, 2 signing it IN israel, then turned around and endorsed Trump before he put his luggage away. I hate randy fine, but that shit really did a ton of damage to Desantis. not just a bill shitting on the first amendment, but signing a bill in another country is just a horrible look.
lmao randy fine did that? that's hilariously jewish
 
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