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Should be a wild four years.

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Newsom being provocative and calling Trump a lair, saying that he never discussed the National Guard in a conversation on Friday night, after the riots started. He also seethes that "there is no working with the President, there is only working for him. And I will never work for Donald Trump."

LOL at Newsom having to add in some balance:
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He says he wants people to peacefully protest, that's fine. But Trump cannot "stand down." Stand down from what, protecting ICE agents doing their jobs because LAPD won't?

Stand down from deporting people? That's what Newsom and the protesters want. Trump to give up and halt the deportations.

The problem with that is if they win and the deportations stop, then that effectively ends immigration enforcement nationwide. It de facto legalizes all current and future illegals and thus opens the borders forever. Any time Trump tried to enforce a border, they will riot. They will riot until the checkpoints are open and the border walls come down. And we will go back to migrant caravans flooding the country and endless streams of gibs.

This is a binary choice. There is no compromise.
 
Cope and Sneed

Your precious brown helot caste is getting deported whether you like it or not.
The use of a National Guard to quell a protest given the minor nature of it, is comical - and intentional. Your comment about deportation is irrelevant to that. I'll believe Trump is sincere about his use of ICE when they start slamming down doors of Texan businesses and the great farms of the United States where bucket loads of them actually work, until then, he is just using it as a revenge tactic against those that didn't vote for him.

The deportation statistics are not overly fantastic and Trump is well, well, well far behind the "promised" totals or hopes of deportations. I live in a red state and the Mexican illegal crews are working business as normal, and no one seems gives a shit. I've said it before and I'll say it again, despite your beliefs, there were tons of deportations under Blue Presidents on-par if not exceeding often Red Presidents, and I support deportation of illegals, but the way both administrations go about it is rather odd, slip-shod and purposefully done to allow certain ones to remain beneficial to the administration, their supporters or businesses at the time.

If employers were required by law to verify people were illegals or residents and the employers were charged, it would change the landscape of illegals being in the country by a noted margin. Currently it is illegal to ask - both administrations won't change the law - ask yourself WHY. really, ask yourself WHY. At the rate Trump is going, you'll need to walk around soon with an ID card providing you are an American - and if that's the Security State you want, then we've failed and we should soon start having our government buying the Chinese software to track all persons because that's what we are heading for.

I support illegals being removed; it does not however have to be done in a brutal fashion, it can be business as usual and laws should be changed to facilitate their removal through common sense approaches rather than ad-hoc executive orders which can be erroneous, eroded, misinterpreted or misapplied.

Obama was known as "De-porter-in-chief" by ICE for a reason. You'll find more Dems are supportive of this than you think, but the methodology has never been properly codified by either party for reasons as stated in my second paragraph and it should be.

Illegals should not be here; this doesn't give us the right to treat them as garbage, less than human, or to ignore our purposefully inadequate laws and regulations which are designed to benefit businesses our administration secretly support, but I di support treating the businesses that use then on purpose as criminals and they should be charged.

Take a drive out to Long Island where half of the news reporters from Fox News have their properties and you'll see the Mexican crews working daily on their properties. And yes, I know some of their addresses and yes, I have personally seen the crews. We just have a double standard going on.

Change the laws and you'll change the ability of illegals to set root in the country. It isn't as hard as it seems (see third paragraph).
 
Illegals should not be here; this doesn't give us the right to treat them as garbage, less than human, or to ignore our purposefully inadequate laws and regulations which are designed to benefit businesses our administration secretly support
Illegals are subhuman parasites and should be treated as such into they run screaming back to the shitholes they crawled out of :smug:
 
Change the laws and you'll change the ability of illegals to set root in the country. It isn't as hard as it seems (see third paragraph).

Hey Uncle Ruckus: it's already codified in US law. Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1325.

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

What's lacking is enforcement of this federal law that's been on the books since the goddamn Reagan administration. How hard is this to understand?
 
Illegals should not be here; this doesn't give us the right to treat them as garbage, less than human, or to ignore our purposefully inadequate laws and regulations which are designed to benefit businesses our administration secretly support, but I di support treating the businesses that use then on purpose as criminals and they should be charged.
How about paying an American a proper American wage you fucking boomer?
 
It's also a terrible idea to deport cheap labor in favor of expensive domestic labor in areas like construction. As if housing prices weren't high enough already. We're gonna see high interest rates along with increased housing prices.
"No suh, you cannot take our slaves!"
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Something I wonder about is even if Hispanic/latino police officers and military personnel seem to be anti-illegals, when it comes time to crack down on the legal ethnicities causing problem I have a feeling they will falter.
You guys gotta realize Hispanics aren't black people.
South America is like 80 different shit holes that all hate each other. They have their own cultures, their own pride, their own histories. If you call an El Salvadorian a Mexican they will be offended and correct you.
Most legal Latinos don't like illegals which is why they voted basically 50/50 with women skewing Dem (typical). You're also ignoring the Thin Blue Line. Police have a huge sense of "us vs them" that keeps them in line. Police have an insane amount of internal cohesion. That whole "my people thing" goes out the window when a bunch of suburbanites come to your area getting the mob rolling.
Even during the Summer of Love Police were pointing that out.
Now the black ones MIGHT have an issue, but again they see the same shit we do first hand. Black Fatigue is literally being called "Nigga Fatigue" by black people online. I'm sure they'll have some sympathy but they know who's out there doing the rioting and looting.
 
I always think it's really fucking funny when the right does something incredibly stupid "hey what if we messed with medicaid" (they didn't actually fuck with it much at all, mostly making bums get jobs - but they allowed dems to make it LOOK like they did) the leftoids here do something even worse to make people forget all about it.

Great job waving mexican flags while burning cars and assaulting federal officers right after republicans handed you a win.
 
I always think it's really fucking funny when the right does something incredibly stupid "hey what if we messed with medicaid" (they didn't actually fuck with it much at all, mostly making bums get jobs - but they allowed dems to make it LOOK like they did) the leftoids here do something even worse to make people forget all about it.

Great job waving mexican flags while burning cars and assaulting federal officers right after republicans handed you a win.
They could've capitalized on Trump and Elon slapfighting, but they just had to go "Hold my soy latte" and chimp out like the taco niggers they are.
 
"No suh, you cannot take our slaves!"
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Who's going to clean my toilets, pick my avacados, and do Doordash for pennies on the dollar?
I love how all these losers are fucking Communists until it comes to slave labor.
"No bro it's cool! We'll just tax the corpos 75% and then we'll have wealth equality! Tarrifs?! Omg that's a tax on the American people! Trumpler is gonna ruin America! Oh my gosh I can't believe he's deporting all the cheap labor!"
I'm lost. Did you hate slave owners for their horrible treatment of their slaves or not?
I mean Jesse always says we should thank the White Man because otherwise we'd be in Africa.
Is this that but with beaners?
Hey Maria. Would you like to be my step wife? You should be thankful I want you as a concubine. It's better than Mexico right?
 
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