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Should be a wild four years.

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My point is the same. Disney SW fulfills an emotional-moral vacuum. It defines good and bad guys, and whose a hero, a traitor, a coward-especially shows like Andor which focus on courageous revolutionaries juxtaposed to cowardly liberals.

I suspect it’s also just pop culture narrative replacing the Bible/christianity as moral frameworks. “Dumbledore’s army”-millennials grew up reading Harry Potter, and they saw themselves as fighting Voldemort.

Conservatives often make fun of this, but they fail to understand it.

That being-fictional narratives are far more powerful at inspiring people and inculcating moral values than bland lectures or “ackshually X”.
political agendas do not equal morals. Mythology is about morals and ideals where propaganda is about convincing people to join your political agenda. There's a very huge difference in what you are talking about.
 
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At first I thought this footage was going to be from spiccout from a long while ago. Saw this frame and realized it is real, raw, and live. Can't wait to hear nothing about this from newscum and the media.
The donut shop down the street from the Federal building was my cue.
The last beaner chimpout was Inauguration day and it was mostly spic high schoolers ditching class to cause mayhem. They ended up stabbing another student on one of the days.
 
no, this is actually impressively smart.
think about it, it's just a few second clip of a guy with a gun on a street in LA, with the sound of car horns and gunfire. you don't see who's shooting at who, you don't know who the guy is, you don't know if it's staged or real.
grok pointing out that a clip like that on its own isn't useful information is very good.
 
They hate that they don't control the flow of information anymore. I've never even heard of Cam Higby.

Los Angeles Protests Amplified by Influencers and Online Creators
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Eli Tan
2025-06-10 21:20:56GMT
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Cam Higby, an online creator, appearing live on Fox News during immigration protests in downtown Los Angeles Monday.Credit...Philip Cheung for The New York Times

As protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration stretched into their fifth day on Tuesday, social media creators have at times outnumbered the traditional press corps at rallies and have played an outsize role in sharing media about what has happened on the ground.

Outfitted with their own makeshift press helmets and vests, many creators — many of whom lean conservative — have livestreamed entire days of coverage and posted to social platforms like X and streaming sites like Twitch and YouTube. During some of the week’s most violent moments, Trump officials like Stephen Miller and billionaires like Elon Musk chose to amplify what the creators published, causing the posts to go viral and feeding the narrative that the violence has been out of control.

President Trump said that California Gov. Gavin Newsom and others were not in control of the protests, and called for National Guard troops to intervene. Mr. Newsom has said the troops were unnecessary and has filed an emergency motion to stop the Trump administration from sending the troops. At least 150 protesters have been arrested since Friday, officials said.

Among the creators at the protests was Cam Higby, 25, a journalist and political commentator for the conservative digital outlet Today Is America. He flew to Los Angeles from his home in Washington state last Friday after seeing videos of the demonstrations on X.

On Monday night, he livestreamed from the front lines of the protests alongside another online creator and friend, Aldo Buttazoni, 25. Mr. Higby and Mr. Buttazoni previously worked for the conservative media outlet Prager U and brand themselves as “America First 🇺🇸.” Much of their content comes in the form of rebuttals to Democratic officials like Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass or Mr. Newsom.

Mr. Higby’s posts, which have amassed millions of views in recent days, blur the line between reporting and advocacy. He sometimes posts video updates about police movements, and other times repeats Mr. Trump’s rhetoric about how “LA NEEDS THE NATIONAL GUARD,” in attempts to stoke outrage.

“I would call it a duality: I do on-the-ground reporting and I also commentate on issues,” Mr. Higby said.

With a limited number of reporters in Los Angeles, Fox News tapped Mr. Higby and Mr. Buttazoni for unpaid television appearances over the weekend, cutting to them for live updates.

Liberal protesters who recognized Mr. Higby and Mr. Buttazoni berated them publicly, and Mr. Buttazoni eventually took off any identifying badges with his name from his clothes. Mr. Higby said he received enough “credible threats” on social media that he paid $3,000 to hire two bodyguards.

Left-leaning creators like the Twitch streamer Hasan Piker, 33, have also reported from rallies in Los Angeles, though in seemingly smaller numbers. Mr. Piker’s Twitch stream on Monday from the same Los Angeles protest that Mr. Higby attended lasted eight hours and received 1.4 million views.

Andrew Callaghan, a Los Angeles journalist and the creator of the media company Channel 5 News, which also covered the protests, said the market for protest and riot videos was born during the Black Lives Matter demonstrations of 2020. But it has exploded since, with some right-wing creators using the “independent” label even though they are partisan, he added.

“They don’t have a boss, so they can say they’re independent, but they’re following the exact same incentive structures as the conservative establishment media,” Mr. Callaghan said in an interview. “Click bait, key frames that don’t reflect the reality of the situation, doing whatever they can to absorb the audience that otherwise would be watching the same programming on Fox News.”
Fake Images and Conspiracy Theories Swirl Around L.A. Protests
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Steven Lee Myers
2025-06-10 14:20:00GMT
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In downtown Los Angeles on Sunday, protesters faced off with law enforcement officers. Disinformation about the events has circulated online.Credit...Mark Abramson for The New York Times

Misleading photographs, videos and text have spread widely on social media as protests against immigrant raids have unfolded in Los Angeles, rehashing old conspiracy theories and expressing support for President Trump’s actions.

The flood of falsehoods online appeared intended to stoke outrage toward immigrants and political leaders, principally Democrats.

They also added to the confusion over what exactly was happening on the streets, which was portrayed in digital and social media through starkly divergent ideological lenses. Many posts created the false impression that the entire city was engulfed in violence, when the clashes were limited to only a small part.

There were numerous scenes of protesters throwing rocks or other objects at law enforcement officers and setting cars ablaze, including a number of self-driving Waymo taxis. At the same time, false images spread to revive old conspiracies that the protests were a planned provocation, not a spontaneous response to the immigration raids.

The confrontation escalated on Monday as new protests occurred and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced — on X — that he was mobilizing 700 Marines from a base near Los Angeles to guard federal buildings. They are expected to join 2,000 members of the California National Guard whom Mr. Trump ordered deployed without the authorization of the state’s governor, Gavin Newsom, who normally has command of the troops.

The latest deployments prompted a new wave of misleading images to spread — some purporting to show Marines and the military service’s weapons in action. One was a still from “Blue Thunder,” a 1983 action-thriller about a conspiracy to deprive residents of Los Angeles of their civil rights. It features a climactic dogfight over the city’s downtown.

Darren L. Linvill, a researcher at Clemson University’s Media Forensics Hub, said conservatives online were “building up the riots in a performative way” to help bolster Mr. Trump’s claims that Los Angeles had been taken over by “violent, insurrectionist mobs.”

Dr. Linvill said the posts were also “a bit self-fulfilling.” “As they direct attention to it,” he said, “more protesters will show up.”

James Woods, the actor who has become known for spreading conspiracy theories, used his account on X to rail against the state’s elected officials, especially Mr. Newsom, a Democrat. He also reposted a fabricated quote, attributed to former President Barack Obama, discussing a secret plot to impose socialism on the country, as well as a video of burning police cars that was from 2020.

An innocuous photograph of a pallet of bricks, actually posted on the website of a building materials wholesaler in Malaysia, was cited as proof that the protests were organized by nonprofit organizations supported by George Soros, the financier who, to the feverishly conspiratorial right, has become a mastermind of global disorder.

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These bricks are actually from an image on the website of a building materials wholesaler in Malaysia.Credit...The New York Times

“It’s Civil War!!” an account on X wrote on Saturday, claiming that the bricks had been placed near the offices of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for “Democrat militants.”

X posted a Community Note pointing out that the photograph had nothing to do with the protests, but it still was seen more than 800,000 times. It was also widely reposted, including by several seemingly inauthentic accounts in Chinese.

The online trope dates at least to the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020. It reappeared in 2022 after a conspiratorial post by Representative Lauren Boebert, a Colorado Republican who suggested that bricks for a paving project near Capitol Hill were intended for violent protests after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

“These days, it feels like every time there’s a protest, the old clickbaity ‘pallets of bricks’ hoax shows up right on cue,” the Social Media Lab, a research center at the Toronto Metropolitan University, wrote on Bluesky. “You know the one, photos or videos of bricks supposedly left out to encourage rioting. It’s catnip for right-wing agitators and grifters.”

It also fits into the narrative that protests against government policies are somehow inauthentic. On his own platform, Truth Social, Mr. Trump also suggested that the protesters were “Paid Insurrectionists!”

Numerous posts echoed unsubstantiated claims that the protests were the work of Mr. Soros as well as local nongovernment organizations or Democratic elected officials, including the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass. Some posts disparaging the protests were shared by accounts with deceptive handles that closely resembled those of official government sources or news organizations.

Mike Benz, a conspiracy-minded influencer on X who last year claimed that the Pentagon used the pop star Taylor Swift as part of a psychological operation to undercut Mr. Trump, advanced an outlandish theory that the mayor had links to the Central Intelligence Agency and had helped start riots in the city where she lives.

He based that simply on Ms. Bass’s role as a board member for the National Endowment for Democracy, the congressionally mandated organization formed during the Reagan administration to promote democratic governance around the world.

Not surprisingly, perhaps, the theme was echoed by accounts across social media linked to Russia, which often amplifies content that discredits the United States. The Kremlin and its supporters have long accused Mr. Soros or the United States government of covertly sponsoring “color revolutions” to overthrow governments — from the Arab Spring countries swept up by mass street protests in 2011 to Ukraine.

“It is nationwide conspiracy of liberals against not only Trump but against American people in general,” Aleksandr Dugin, a prominent nationalist in Russia, wrote on X on Sunday.

Disinformation in situations like these spreads so quickly and widely that efforts to verify facts cannot keep up, said Nora Benavidez, senior counsel at Free Press, an advocacy organization that studies the intersection of media, technology and the law. She described it as part of “a much longer effort to delegitimize peaceful resistance movements.”

“Information warfare is always a symptom of conflict, stoked often by those in power to fuel their own illiberal goals,” she said. “It confuses audiences, scares people who might otherwise have empathy for the cause and divides us when we need solidarity most.”
 
I hope to hell this doesn't turn into a crazy crazy shootout.
Because my god if it escalates mother of God I actually am legit scared.
The right have got the rhetoric down well. It's the democrats riot. That's the simple point to get across to the normie mind

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Yeah if this expands I'm worried because I know far too many lefty friends who would go crazy.
 
political agendas do not equal morals. Mythology is about morals and ideals where propaganda is about convincing people to join your political agenda. There's a very huge difference in what you are talking about.
Eh…humans were telling stories for tens of thousands of years-myths and religion were used and often were inseparable from politics, and political propaganda is most successful when it speaks to people’s moral intuitions.

I think they are actually deeply connected. Because the things they express:

1. Identity
2. Meaning/purpose in life
3. Sense-how does the world work/why is it like this?

Religious propaganda was used all the time in the medieval period, and myths according to Plato were useful for their moral content.
 
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