Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Spunt]

Those glasses and hijab makes her look like she's just about to take off in her biplane to do battle with the Red Baron.

 

[jundub]

Rate me late if this was already posted here, but I'm on page 243 of the thread and somebody mentioned Linda Li who appeared in season 7 of Intervention. At the time, she was abusing fent for about six years, claiming that she NEEDED it to manage her excruciating EDS. Eventually her family, and I suspect especially her brother, who had been taking care of her for a number of years, had gotten tired of her bullshit and staged this intervention. Eventually, they managed to get her to attend rehab, and we are told that after two months of treatment, she was diagnosed with delusional disorder and moved to a residential program, where she hadn't used fent since the show.

Anyway, I did some digging, and it turns out that Linda dropped by the intervention subreddit some three months ago to defend her honour, and boy, the milk was a-flowing. Here are some highlights:

Spoiler

She was able to maniacally run and scream during the episode because her EDS is like a bicycle and moving puts her joints back in place. Also, uhm, electromagnetic radiation actually causes her dislocations because of... Heat waves or something, and PT makes EDS worse!!!!

Her therapist was TRAUMATIZED by what the show did to her.

She can't speak for addicts because she was never one.

Living without electronic devices for six years in residential care made her 40/10 (!) pain disappear.

Her mom was "carrying" EMF, so she directly caused her pain. It's not a delusion, you guys!!!

Her mere presence could fuck with electronic devices.

 

[vlcsr]

Rate me late if this was already posted here, but I'm on page 243 of the thread and somebody mentioned Linda Li who appeared in season 7 of Intervention. At the time, she was abusing fent for about six years, claiming that she NEEDED it to manage her excruciating EDS. Eventually her family, and I suspect especially her brother, who had been taking care of her for a number of years, had gotten tired of her bullshit and staged this intervention. Eventually, they managed to get her to attend rehab, and we are told that after two months of treatment, she was diagnosed with delusional disorder and moved to a residential program, where she hadn't used fent since the show.

Anyway, I did some digging, and it turns out that Linda dropped by the intervention subreddit some three months ago to defend her honour, and boy, the milk was a-flowing. Here are some highlights:

Spoiler

She was able to maniacally run and scream during the episode because her EDS is like a bicycle and moving puts her joints back in place. Also, uhm, electromagnetic radiation actually causes her dislocations because of... Heat waves or something, and PT makes EDS worse!!!!
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Her therapist was TRAUMATIZED by what the show did to her.
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She can't speak for addicts because she was never one.
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Living without electronic devices for six years in residential care made her 40/10 (!) pain disappear.
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Her mom was "carrying" EMF, so she directly caused her pain. It's not a delusion, you guys!!!
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Her mere presence could fuck with electronic devices.
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She’s also spiraling out in the comments of the episode you linked from YouTube. Kind of insane she’s going on 16 years of this bullshit.

 

[Polychromos]

@RNTard (can't quote individual passages in your post for some reason)
Thank you for the timeline! I revoke my laymens assessment that she's not some kind of psychotic. Getting several face tattoos in the span of a year is really wild and probably transcends most BPD cases.

Its odd to me cos she is barely tattooed from what I've seen in the pics here. In general artists that value their good name require you to "earn" face and hand tattoos, though the latter less so these days. They don't want the hassle of people regretting them and coming bugging them, and don't need the business. So you need have relatively high coverage already to show you know what being tattoed visibly actually entails before putting them in places you can't hide.

I wonder if this Muslim larp isn't cos she's realised how dumb she looks and wants an excuse to cover up.

She could LARP as having recieved a blood borne disease from the dodgy tattoo artist she used to get her doodles done/

I'd love someone to LARP giantism or whatever Elephant Man had.

I think this whole "artists won't tattoo certain parts of your body, if you don't already have a lot of tattoos" thing, isn't really true anymore. I think it still should be, but I do think visible tattoos don't make you as unemployable as they used to even 10 years ago. Either way, I can't imagine her coming off as sane, so no respectable artist should tattoo her anywhere.

PT makes EDS worse!!!!

Well, I'm proud of her for saying being sedentary makes it worse, I guess.

Living without electronic devices for six years in residential care made her 40/10 (!) pain disappear.

Oh man! That's the kind of schizo flavor I live for! Thank you for sharing. I'd love to see her telling that to other EDS fakers.

 

[jundub]

I'd love to see her telling that to other EDS fakers.

That reddit thread (which I forgot to link, apologies) did attract at least three EDSers, one of which (Early_Week) is pretty OTT.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

Schizophrenics have such a weird set of behavioural tells, ranging from very particular ways that they speak to unique facial expressions and odd tones of voice that you'd have to be Lawrence Olivier to pull that off.

I think the way you can spot a genuine schizophrenic online is that schizophrenics are incapable of not talking about the thing they're convinced of. Not all schizos come across as stereotypically schizo crazy but if you know this tell you can spot the higher functioning ones in the wild.

Usually they have one overarching narrative that has taken over their entire life (like Lucinda's delusion of being a unicorn or the templeOS guy of believing he can communicate with God , etc). Because their entire life is taken over by their one true schizo induced faith everything in their life would revolve around it. No matter what they do, eat, drink, participate in society, when they talk, or type, they will inevitably mention what they're convinced of. If you talk to a schizo and hit anywhere close to the topic their narrative is about they will spill everything quickly. Meds would reduce this but schizo off meds all have the same tell.

 

[LonesomeDud]

I think this whole "artists won't tattoo certain parts of your body, if you don't already have a lot of tattoos" thing, isn't really true anymore. I think it still should be, but I do think visible tattoos don't make you as unemployable as they used to even 10 years ago. Either way, I can't imagine her coming off as sane, so no respectable artist should tattoo her anywhere.

I think at the end of the day, tattoo artists need to eat and pay rent.

 

[Otterly]

The big girls who complain about "malnutrition" and "starving" are always the funniest to me. They are showing everyone their big fat body and triple chins and have the gall to bitch about their "inability to eat."

Several of the death fats insist they have anorexia and ARFID. It’s surreal.

Unless you look like a sideshow freak, I don’t believe it’s EDS.

I’ve known one woman with genuine EDS who I knew 30 years back. She had the fully stretchy skin, and ended up in hospital a few times with dislocations or injuries. She kept herself as fit as possible and never complained. not autistic.

Still, I guess they can pretend to have the Plague of Justinian, nobody's entirely sure what that actually was so they can pretend it's whatever they want.

Careful what you wish for, loooot of unvetted migrants from areas with spicy zoonoses coming in. Dinghy full of Crimean Congo haemorrhagic fever annoying?

Encephalitis lethargica is a good one.

Ooooh yes. These sort of historical ‘what was it?’ Ones are a side hobby of mine. The sleepy sickness was thought to be something post viral from flu, but recently I’ve seen an article claiming it may have been an entirely separate virus (I will try to find it, I wasn’t convinced by it.)
. It’d never occurred to me that it may actually have been psychosomatic - there were patients with it in long term homes for decades after (it’s what the movie awakenings is based on.) Oliver sacks’s book of the same name is on my shelf and I don’t recall him talking about psychosomatic origin but I will go re read it. He does talk about it in the context of some other issues like migraine so he’s not someone who denies the concept. What fun
The english sweat would be a good one. Although perhaps not, you tended to be better or dead within hours and where’s the months of attention in that?

Anyway, he used to do this with his hands all the time:

I can still do that, I’m middle aged and as about as inflexible as healthy humans get.

those full-body CT scans people are getting now for 'prevention' are going to ruin the medical field

How are they allowed? That’s a massive dose of radiation

You could claim to have caught a period-authentic retro disease from restoring a piece of hair art/unwrapping and getting measurements from a vintage gown that the owner might have died in.

I love it. Period re enactment, the full fainting couch experience. Maybe we’ll find one of them, cane discarded, digging up a plague pit in Blackfriars to rub bones over herself. Munchies braving the Siberian tundra to locate permafrost bound plagues of lovecraftian horror.
This and a munchie ballerina troupe would amuse me greatly

 

[Romeo814]

Hi all, there is a subject I posted on a seperate thread but was recommended to post here.

Chryslyn K Cramer, "professionally" known as Destin Drew Cramer, DestinDraws, and Cryptid.Ink.


Previous aliases and socials include: Destiny Cramer, The Cryptid System, Cryptid, and Mothofmany.

Current Socials
Facebook
Instagram (Private)

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Insta

Instagram (Public/Professional)
TikTok (1)
TikTok (2)
YouTube
BlueSky
Threads
DeviantArt
Carrd

Archives
Twitter
TikTok(1)
TikTok(2)
TikTok(3)

Chryslyn was born July 1998. She wants you to believe she has lived a life of child abuse and medical neglect that has left her too disabled to work. Combined with her well documented transtrenderism and false claims of indigenous ancestry, Chryslyn thinks everyone should just hand her everything while she lounges around ordering food and weed because shes too lazy to take her ass off the couch too disabled to work, traumatized, immunocompromised, a person of color, and transgender. Except Chryslyn isnt any of these things.

She claims a variety of disabilities common among munchies: DID (including PF-DID, C-DID, HC-DID), PTSD, C-PTSD, Bipolar 1, EDNOS, ADHD, Autism, BPD, OCD, hEDS, POTS, PCOS, Endometriosis, Scoliosis, Degenerative Disk Disease, Chronic Lyme, PNES/FND, Chronic Pain, IBS/IBD, and identified as "immunocompromised" during COVID-19. DID is her main munch, but she seems to have chilled out with that and is mainly using her chronic back pain from her sedentary lifestyle to identify as disabled.

Medical Accessories: 2 deceased "service" dogs, cane, walker, and wheelchair.

The Early Years

Chryslyn's early life and adoption story is not the story of immense victimhood that she wants you to believe. She was removed from an unstable home by the time she was a year old, but was kept in her family and raised by her aunt and uncle. She uses mom and dad interchangeably when talking about her bio parents vs adoptive parents, but occasionally specifies.

Chryslyn was born in Seattle, but lived in both Oregon and Texas before returning to the King County area of Washington. She attended Nathan Dale High School in Seattle and graduated in 2016. For her senior project, she advocated for gender-neutral bathrooms at her school—a common feature in Seattle public schools, but one that still got her name in the news.

Spoiler: High School Days

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Between 2016-Feb 2020, Chryslyn's available posts are slim, but noticeably missing are her claims of chronic pain, mental illness, and indigenous ancestry.

Spoiler: 2016 - March 2020

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Chryslyn's Disabilities
The only "disability" that Chryslyn genuinely has is a gluten allergy, but she claims every trendy disability in the chronic illness community. From mental health issues like DID, PTSD, c-PTSD, BPD, Bipolar 1, ADHD, Autism, PNES/FND, OCD, and EDNOS to chronic illnesses like "Chronic Lyme," hEDS, POTS, PCOS, Endometriosis, IBS/IBD, Chronic Pain, Scoliosis, Degenerative Disk Disease, "immunocompromised." and "high risk for COVID-19."

Here's the TLDR:

• She was experiencing seizures and diagnosed with PNES. She still thought she was dying, and one specialist suggested that her symptoms pointed to DID and PNES.
• She was in denial and sought out four other doctors who agreed she should be evaluated for DID.
• Claims that in April 2020 she “took the DID evaluation”, the DES (Dissociative Experiences Scale) and her scores were “so severe that they lined up with severe DID or complex DID”
  • [NOTE: The DES scores dissociation in general, not DID. Complex DID is not a diagnosis.]
• Claims that Therapist #1 suggested making a YouTube channel. Talks alot about doing DBT.
• Did a lot of IFS (internal family systems) work with a different therapist.
  As of June 2024 looking for yet another new therapist, wants to do EMDR.
• Claims she rejected the diagnosis for a long time.
• Accepted her diagnosis after doing research, talking to therapists, and looking online.
• Watched DissociaDID, Multiplicity and Me, and Entropy.

Let's fact check her diagnosis from her first therapist, since she was kind enough to post it publicly. I've run out of characters so please see my analysis on her forged diagnosis here.


I've put together a series of tweets where Chryslyn discusses her diagnosis and/ or therapy shopping sessions.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's DID/Therapy Journey

Chryslyn seems to go through therapists pretty rapidly for someone who requires such a niche specialist - many of whom don't accept the Medicaid that Chryslyn receives.

Spoiler: How Many Therapists Does it Take...

So how many therapists does it take to get a DID diagnosis before they realize Chryslyn is malingering?
Therapist #1 - The One Who Diagnosed Her (April 2020-Nov/Dec 2020)
According to Chryslyn, Therapist #1 is an EMDR/Trauma specialist.

This so called specialist encouraged her to make a YouTube channel to document her supposed DID journey .

and recommended DissosciaDID as a good source.

Not even ONE MONTH after her supposed April 2020 diagnosis, she is already tagging it in her Instagram posts.

Given that she began seeing this therapist in April 2020 and had this therapist for 7 months, it's possible this December 2020 tweet is about therapist #1

BPD is the only diagnosis that actually fits Chryslyn.

Therapist #2 - The One Who Found Her YouTube Channel (Jan/Feb 2021 - March 2021)
Therapist #2 shows up in February of 2021:

And Chryslyn spends her sessions talking shit about us fakeclaiming her... instead of, you know, working through her shit

On March 2, 2021 she claims that her DID diagnosis was confirmed by doctors for her disability application (More on her failed attempts at SSDI later).
She claims that this is now the 4th time her diagnosis has been confirmed.

By the end of March, Therapist #2 is not happy to find out about Chryslyn's YouTube channel.

Therapist #2 was fired.

Therapist #3 - The One Who Only Got One Tweet (April 2021 - Oct 2021)
Therapist #3 shows up 2 weeks later mid way through April 2021. Chryslyn, the privileged munch that she is, thinks that 2 weeks is a long time to wait for a new patient appointment.


Therapist #4 - The One Who Could Handle Her (Oct 2021 - Sept 2022(?))
Chryslyn's second appointment with Therapist #4 towards the end of October 2021.

She seems to stay with this therapist for a bit and enjoys the work that she is doing.

This therapist knows that Chryslyn is a major BPD bitch, considering she recommends CoDA (codependents anonymous) and continuing DBT.

Despite Chryslyn's instability, she only sees this therapist once every two weeks.

In September of 2022, Chryslyn and Josh officially break up. For good this time. Chryslyn moves from Long Beach to go live with Cosmic, so I presume this is when it ends with Therapist #4. In March 2023, She mentions that she has had a “lapse in care” but will be starting again soon.

Assuming that she did begin therapy not long after, that puts Chryslyn on Therapist #5.

Therapist #5 - The Last One - (March 2023 - June/July 2024) Chryslyn presumably found Therapist #5 not long after March 5, 2023. Her next mention of therapy that I found is 11 months later in February 2024.

Still going to therapy in May 2024

By June/July 2024, Chryslyn is yet again looking for another DID specialist bc therapist #5 is no longer helpful.

And there is nothing more to suggest that Chryslyn found Therapist #6.

I know most people on KF don't believe that DID is real, but I put together a list of red flags for malingered / imitative / factitious DID. All of these red flags are from publications on imitative and malingered DID and provided examples from Chryslyn.

Spoiler: 🚩🚩Imitative DID🚩🚩

• Quotes the DSM or published DID research verbatim
• Openly discusses DID with people other than close friends or family
• little to no shame
• convenient amnesia claims
• Uses non-clinical terminology (i.e.: “Fronting”, “System”, etc.)
• Inconsistent and contradictory trauma narratives. Trauma narratives that escalate over time.
  (See Below)
• Secondary Gain (Social Media attention, financial gain, fame)
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• Lack of co-morbid PTSD
• Lack of DID-specific diagnostic tests (SCID, DDIS, MID, etc.)
  • Her diagnosis video confirms she only took the DES
• DES score > 60 (Highest statistical marker of malingered DID in 2001)
  • Her diagnosis video confirms she scored “extremely” high
• Rapid switching and overt alter presentations
• Therapist shopping (See above)
• Treatment does not follow the three phase DID treatment

Watch Chryslyn's DID Cringe through the years

Spoiler: 2020 DID Cringe

Spoiler: 2021 DID Cringe

Spoiler: 2022 DID Cringe

Spoiler: 2023 DID Cringe

DID isn't the only disorder or disability that Chryslyn malingers to avoid any adult responsibilities, she is also a Lyme/EDS/POTS/Chronic Pain/IBS/Autism/immunocompromised warrior.

And like all munchies, she tweets about struggling with an eating disorder. (Whether or not it's real or just a jump on another trend, we'll never know)

Spoiler: ED Tweets

And like all munchies, Chryslyn is simply too disabled to do more than lounge around all day and self diagnose the trendy disabilities instead of acknowledging that her sedentary lifestyle and poor diet may be the culprit behind her peen and heart rate jump. Sometimes she's cant work because she's immunocompromosed and identifies as high risk for COVID. Other times it's because she's just too disabled to work, pandemic or not. Either way, it only depends on which one she thinks will get her the most donations.

Spoiler: “Help, I'm disabled, give me $$$”

Chryslyn claims to be immunocompromised and high risk for COVID-19
But frequented the ER quite a bit for non-emergencies. In the first week of December, LA had surpassed their previous all-time high for postive COVID cases and related hospitalizations. Healthcare workers were running on empty, hospitals at full capacity, triage tents outside ERs, and Chryslyn just had to be there.
On December 2, 2020, she wasted what little time and medical resources LA had, and went to the ER over a partially dislocated shoulder.

In Early February 2021, she finally scored herself a hospital admission. LA's winter COVID wave had finally dropped, with their hospitalization rate decreasing by four fold, and their death rate decreasing by 50%, so they had room to handle Chryslyn's Munchausen’s.

Spoiler: More ER Related BS

But despite her disabilities that are so severe they leave her bed ridden, no matter how many times she applies for SSDI, she never gets accepted. Of course, it's all because the government is a big ableist mean-ey and definitely not because of Chryslyn's lack of disabilities.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Failed SSDI Applications

Her ex fiance, Josh, has more to say on her munching, but I want to save his videos and perspective for last, since she never let him have the last word. Below are her munching tweets organize by year:

Spoiler: 2020 Munching

Spoiler: 2021 Munching

Spoiler: 2022 Munching

Spoiler: 2023 - Present Munching

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Chryslyn's Fake Ass Trauma
Chryslyn has many fooled into believing that her adoptive family are evil abusive transphobes that stole her from her indigenous culture. Her abuse claims increase in severity over time and tend to follow whatever is trendy at the time.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Trauma Definition

All of the current neuropsychiatric research does show that DID develops due to chronic and severe childhood abuse that is usually sexual in nature and begins at or before the age of 6.

But, I guess the “influx moods of toxic parentals” fits in there somewhere.

The DSM-5 and Chryslyn have very different definitions of trauma. This is the clinical defintion of trauma:
And this is Chryslyn's definition of trauma:

There are four different events that will be discussed:

1. Inconsistent claims of childhood sexual abuse
2. A contradicting incident when she was 11 years old involving 30 year old men
3. Claims of being kept under lock and key for six months in 2014.
4. Claims of Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, and Organized Abuse (RAMCOA) /
5. Claims of a religious based familial cult

Spoiler: CSA Claims

Chryslyn's claims of CSA are vague at first, inconsistent, and increase in severity over time.
The first suggestion of CSA is in December 2020 when she posts her online self-reported “Adverse Childhood Experiences” results and receives the highest score (10/10).

Some of the experiences listed constitute as traumatic, but not all of them. By scoring 10/10 it means she selected yes to this question:
The first direct mention of CSA that I found was on January 12, 2021. Chryslyn doesn't mention real CSA but talks about the trauma-wanna-be edition “non-contact CSA”

On March 1, 2021, she is deeply offended that she has not won the trauma olympics:

So no outright claim of real sexual abuse yet, but she is identifying as CSA survivor. This seems to be the catalyst for Chryslyn to start creating sexual abuse claims.
The next mention of CSA is still not of real sexual abuse, but rather a dysfunctional family dynamic involving emeshment - a blurring of emotional boundaries - and parentification - or when a child is burdened with adult responsibilities.
However, several trauma-olympians have decided to bring back the controversial term “emotional incest.” Snowflakes believe that hearing your mom complain about work or asking you to watch your younger siblings is the same as sexual abuse. Naturally, Chryslyn decided to join an incest survivor support group.

She even uses her newly found tRaUmA to grift.

*cocsa stands for covert csa, which is another way to describe poor emotional boundaries and has nothing to do with sexual abuse.
By April 2022, Chryslyn goes to the ER because of psychosomatic pain related to CSA that never happened

And even pretends to experience bed wetting as a result
By December 2023, Chryslyn finally gets the guts to accuse her adoptive father, David Anthony Jarboe, of sexual abuse. She even goes as far as to claim that she was programmed by him to perform a nightly ritual where she masturbates to the thought of being sexually assaulted by her father. Chryslyn Cramer is truly a disgusting human being.



BUT! NONE! OF! THIS! IS! TRUE!

On April 19, 2025, Chryslyn posted this to Instagram:

How exactly do you “clear up” claims of being sexually abused? Unless......

Even more incriminating, after I posted her accusations against her dad in the Alternative System thread, she deleted her tumblr and privated her Instagram.

In summary, she started out claiming to have experienced “non-contact CSA,” then three years later decided to post false accusations of sexual abuse, which have since been deleted so her family doesn't find out what a disgusting creep she is.

Spoiler: What Happened at 11 years old?

Chryslyn makes several mentions of an incident that occurred around age 11. In her first mention, she claims that she did child modeling and 30 year old men cat called her.

But later she claims to have been groomed online by 30 year old men when she was 11.

And was a vIcTiM of SeVeRaL pReDaToRs.

If this “online grooming” is even true, it's the closest thing to sexual abuse that Chryslyn can claim, and is nothing special. The last mention of a supposed incident when she was 11 is something that every female on the planet has ever experienced

So nothing really happened when she was 11. Just potential cat calling? She may have ran into a dick on Omegle, but nothing unique nor traumatic.

Spoiler: 2014 Isolation Claims

Chryslyn has referenced a few times that she was grounded disappeared for 6 months and was basically held in isolation by her adoptive family in 2014.

In March 2021 she claimed that she tried to kill herself in March 2014 due to being isolated for 6 months, but called 911. She told doctors her home wasn't safe, but they didn't do anything (despite being mandatory reporters) and sent her back home to be abused. Then she claims to have gone back to school 4 months after her March suicide attempt, so in July when school isnt even in session.

So if she was in isolation for 6 months before March 2014, that means the isolation began in September of 2013 and that neither her school nor her therapist reported her as missing. Her isolation supposedly would have finished in July 2014.
Now I don't know about yall, but my understanding of the word isolation might be a little different than Chryslyn's. In February of 2014 during her supposed isolation, her mom took her to the Butterfly House Pacific Science center

In March 2014, she was working on homework with her siblings

In May 2014, look who's mom took her to get a free scoop of ice cream.

So either Chryslyn is dumber than a bag of rocks and doesn't know what the meaning of the word isolation means, or this is just another example of her ridiculous lies.

Spoiler: Ritual Abuse / Mind Control / Organized Abuse / Cult Claims

The first mention of a cult that I found is a quote tweet from January 2021:

The next mention is in late March 2021. Chryslyn's need to take down DissociaDID to validate her own malingering backfired when her SJW personality offends another faker.

I thought her next addition was hilarious because it shows just how dumb she is. NOI doesn't hate Jews because of SRA. They hate Jews because the book of revelations mentions “white devils” and they think Jews are behind slavery and black oppression.

There's a little more discourse on SRA after this but I couldn't find anything discussing her being a victim of Ritual abuse in 2022.

The first mention I can find is in early 2023. This also just so happens to be after her and Josh broke up.

Chryslyn mentions the Christian parenting book “To Train Up a Child.” Controversial? Yes. Ritual abuse? Mind Control? No.
She really gets into her RAMCOA narrative on her now deleted Tumblr and TikTok:

So, we see that Chryslyn's trauma is pretty much bullshit. But I think most of her issues stem from being adopted. Sure, I believe it's possible her adoptive parents were strict and maybe even smacked her a few times because that was normal a few generations ago. I’m a few years older than Chryslyn, but when I was in high school, getting whooped was pretty normalized. Everyone talked about either picking out their own switch or getting the belt.

Ultimately, I think Chryslyn is another one of those people who experienced a non-clinically traumatic adverse childhood, and feels invalidated by it during a time when trauma is all the rage. She slowly stretched out her story out over time and followed whatever was the trendy trauma at the time.

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Chryslyn's Fake Ass Indigenous Ancestry
Yes. Chryslyn Cramer, AKA Destin Drew Cramer of San Diego, lied about being a person of color. Despite claiming to be 25% Quechan, she makes it 70% of her identity, or 100% when race topics come up. Don't dare call her white as an insult, you dirty colonizer.

So what exactly is Chryslyn's heritage? She looks like a basic white bitch to me. She talks a lot about being mixed (literally nobody I know who has one non-white grandparent calls themselves mixed) and identifies as POC when convenient, but acknowledges that she is white passing to avoid being questioned.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Race Claims

I decided to do a major deep dive into her heritage. She claims to be 25% Quechan and that her grandmother is fully indigenous to the Quechan Tribe. So this begs the question, which grandmother? Who are her birth parents? I'm going to take you through the entire process of figuring out her birth mom and tracing her ancestry so that there aren't any loose ends.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Basic White Bitch Ancestry

Luckily Chryslyn was kind enough to leave up her 10th grade school projects on her family history.

So Chryslyn's adoptive Mother is Rebecca “Becky” Cramer Jarboe, married to David Anthony Jarboe. She was adopted in 1999, the year after she was born.
Unfortunately, I spent a lot of time going down the Cramer family tree rabbit hole before I organized the above “Race Claims” spoiler and saw this tweet from December 2020

I'll spare you the Cramer family story of how they came to America. Her biological father and adoptive parents are both dirty white colonizers.
Chryslyn doesn't give too many details about her adoption story until she's deep into her RAMCOA Arc. Remember her family cult claims? She finally comes up with an adoption story in January 2024.

In this post she claims that her birth mom was 13 when she was forced to marry her 18 year old birth father and has 3 kids before she was 21. She says her dad was violent and on drugs so she was sent to live with her grandparents, then to her bio dad's sister.
Back Josh released his side of the story (we'll get to that) he revealed a key piece of information about the bio mom in question:

Her bio mom was in nursing school in 2017.
So here is everything we know about Chryslyn's birth parents thus far:

• Her Bio mom birthed 3 children before she was 21 ∴ she was presumably under 21 in 1998.
• Her bio dad is five years older than her bio mom and has a history of drug abuse and violence.
• Her bio mom sent her to live with her bio dad's grandparents for a little while. And her bio dad is either Michael Cramer, Jason Cramer, or Kelly Cramer (actually named is Christopher Kelly Cramer)
• She was adopted by her bio brothers sister, Rebecca, in 1999
• The Cramer side of the family is white and her bio mom is supposedly 50% Quechan. Her bio grandma is full Quechen and a healer.

And this is the info I was looking for:

• Which of Rebecca's brothers is her dad
• The age of the brothers and spouses
• The ancestry of the brothers spouses

I went through Michael and Jason Cramer first because Chryslyn's Prezi lists one of Rebecca's siblings as Kelly, not Christopher.
They are both married: Michael to an Armenian woman named Katherine Sherrieb and Jason to an Asian woman named Jinfeng Tien. According to Chryslyn, her bio dad is 5 years older than her bio mom, who would have been under 21 in 1998. Below is a table breaking this down with respect to Michael and Jason:

Name	DOB	Age in July 1998
Michael	October 1977	20
Katherine	January 1980	18
Age difference=	~2.5 yrs
Jason	June 1980	18
Jinfeng	January 1982	16
Age difference=	~2.5 yrs

So the 5 year age difference thing doesn't line up with Michael and Jason, but their spouses were under 21 in 1998. However, through my sleuthing I saw that both Michael and Jason have their lives together and don't really seem like they're Chryslyn's dad.
And then theres Christopher Kelly Cramer. Born in December of 1970, and one the same phone plan as Chryslyn.

I cant directly prove that this is Chryslyn's bio dad, but he has had some interesting trouble with the law. I did manage to run a background check but I'm not sure what the legality is when it comes to posting screen shots so I'll explain the relevant charges:

Offense	Offense Date	Charges Filed Date	Disposition	Disposition Date
protection order violation	Jan 15, 2000	Jun 5, 2000	other deferral	Dec 7, 2000
harassment	Jan 23, 2000	Jan 24, 2000	guilty other defrl revoked	Oct 5, 2001
violation of protection order	Jan 23, 2000	Jan 24, 2000	dismissed	Feb 15, 2000

So, running under the assumption that this is her bio dad, there was obviously some discourse surrounding his relationship with Chryslyn's bio mom and she was removed from the situation before any from the age of 6 months to 1 year. I do believe that she thought her bio dad was her uncle until she was 7... but that's... not uncommon? Especially in POC communities, and they don't usually make a huge deal about.
So who is her bio mom? Well this woman kept coming up in my searching:

Michelle Kay Cramer. Currently known as Michelle Kay Lowder / Gutenberg. Born Michelle Kay Chenoweth.
Occupation? Nursing.
And then I found confirmation

So I looked into her possible relatives one generation up. Gary Glenn Chenoweth is the oldest on the list, followed by Scott Edward Chenoweth.

I started with Gary because he would have been 26 when Michelle was born while Scott only would have been 16. Then I found confirmation that Gary is her dad on facebook.


Gary's spouse is another familiar name from our list of Michelle's relatives: Christine M Chenoweth.

So, Christine is supposed to be Chryslyn's Grandma, the one who is 100% Quechen and a spiritual healer.
Christine married Gary on August 1, 1970 in King County Washington 6 years before Michelle was born. The maiden name recorded is Christen Gordon (note the variations in the spelling of Christine in the above photo).

Chryslyn's grandmother's maiden name is Gordon. Under Christine's associates I found one person by the name of Gordon.

Eloise M Gordon. Born March 1933. Under Eloise's relatives I found Edward L Gordon Born October 1927.

I decided to start going the ancestry route and found Eloise quickly. Her maiden name is Rundle, and low and behold Chryslyn's great grandmother, the mom of her full blood indiginous grandmother is WHITE.

Thankfully someone has already put together a tree for Eloise.

Just to be sure, I double checked Eloise's parents Henry and Clara. Expectedly, both are listed as white.

Henry was born in Illinois and his father Thomas was born in England, while his mother Maria was born in Illinois. Maria's father had immigrated here from England and her mother's family is US born up to 1780, but nothing suggest indigenous ancestry.
Here's the link if you're curious
So maybe Edward Gordon has some indigenous ancestry?
Well according to his World War II draft registration he is white but his complexion is “dark”.

Again we see here that he is white:

I couldn't find any info on his family, unfortunately. But based on my searching, Chryslyn is not 1/4 Indigenous and is just a full blooded white oppressor. Nothing I have found points to indigenous ancestry. Nothing points to her being a person of color.

Something you'll notice in her SJW section is how much she used her supposed indigenous heritage to make her voice heard online during the George Floyd protests. And as already seen in the race claims spoiler, she uses her fake ancestry to grift.

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Chryslyn's TransTrenderism
Chryslyn's transtrenderism first makes an appearance at Nathan Hale High School, where she managed to have a gender neutral bathroom installed for her senior project. Again, not that major of an accomplishment considering Seattle Public Schools has already done this in various other schools.
Despite claiming that her family is deeply trans and queerphobic, her father was at the unveiling:

Spoiler: Chryslyn in the News

Cosplaying transgendeism just didnt garner her enough oppression points, though, she has to be a minority AND claim her family is phobic and racist. Nevermind that her mom's facebook profile pictures are in support of the LGBTQ+ community and BLM despite Chryslyn's claims:

Spoiler: More of Chryslyn's Lies

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Leftest Family

Trans is just another oppressed identity label for Chryslyn to justify her BPD identity problems.

Spoiler: 2020 TransTrenderism

Spoiler: 2021 TransTrenderism

Spoiler: 2022-Present TransTrenderism

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Chryslyn's Drama Addiction

She really showed em with that tweet

Chryslyn has gotten involved in a variety of different internet drama due to her unlimited free time. From DissociaDID (KF Thread) where she had minor influence, to The Alternative System (KF Thread) where she became a major orbiter.

Spoiler: DissociaDID Drama

Spoiler: Alt System Drama

Spoiler: System Discourse

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Chryslyn's Animal Neglect /Abuse
Chryslyn has gone through several self trained "service" dogs who have unexpectedly passed away. She often uses these tragedies to grift. Unfortunately, I recently lost a pet that is very dear to me and dont want to deal with Chryslyn's animal abuse right now, so I have attached all pet related tweets below, if others care to investigate further.

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Pets

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Professor Chryslyn, The Cryptid Educator

Chryslyn thinks that Psych Central and WebMD are good scientific sources, likely due to her minimal education and absence of scientific literacy. Despite dropping out of college after one semster, Chryslyn thinks that she has more than enough medical and scientific training to act as an educator online. She might not call herself that to avoid pulling a DissociaDID, but she definitely views herself as someone qualified to discuss medical issues online.

Spoiler: Prof Chryslyn's Lecture Notes

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Chryslyn's SJW Phase (Sponsered By Rachel Dolazel)
Chryslyn's need to be the center of attention has her lying about all aspects of her identity so that she can be the center of all SJW discussions. From centering her own experiences with police brutality as a "pErSoN oF cOlOr" after George Floyd was killed, to centering herself in conversations surrounding COVID because she is "hIgH rIsK" and "iMmUnOcOmPrOmIsEd."

Spoiler: Chryslyn Says ACAB

Spoiler: More Performative SJW

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Chryslyn's Grift
Chryslyn's grifting extends to everyone of her arcs. She's asked for money and donations by falsely presenting herself as a person of color, a person with disabilities, a trans person, and abuse survivor. None of these things about Chryslyn Cramer is true, yet she used them to get donations online.

Spoiler: Grifter's Gon Grift

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Chryslyn's H8rs

Spoiler: The H8rs

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Josh, Chryslyn's Ex-Fiance
From 2017 to September 2022 Chryslyn was dating Josh. Post Break Up, Chryslyn tried to pain Josh as an abuser and continues to do so to this day instead of being accountable for the half long decade of abuse that she inflicted on him.

Spoiler: Pre break up

Spoiler: Post Break Up Victimhood

Spoiler: Chryslyn's Crap Evidence

Chryslyn posted what she perceives to be "evidence" proving Josh is an abuser (and definitely not her).

Chryslyn made sure to show the "differential diagnosis" but covers up the actual diagnosis. No focal neurological deficits. Patient at neurological baseline. No CT scan. Medically Cleared and Discharged.

The conscious during two pseduoseizures got me.

There is literally nothing here showing he gave her a concussion. It just shows how tired he is of her shit.

Again, only she is stating he caused her concussion.

Chryslyn was going to make a false abuse call, so Josh took her phone to avoid having his life destroyed by a crazy bitch.

And Josh is responsible for his friends reaching out to her.

So what about Josh's side of the story? Well, he has a lot to say about Chryslyn Cramers malingering, grifting, and abuse.
PART 1

PART 2

PART 3

PART 4

PART 5

PART 6

PART 7

PART 8

PART 9 (Final)

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Full TL on Chryslyn By Year

Spoiler: TL: 2016-2020

Spoiler: TL: 2021

Spoiler: TL: 2022

Spoiler: TL: 2023-2025

 

[It's Never Leprosy]

This and a munchie ballerina troupe would amuse me greatly

omfg yes. Kelly would be a soloist, of course, easy to lift with no legs. Think Snow Queen in Nutcracker. Little smush face Victoria would be Mother Ginger. But my lovely Tilly? She's a principal, all the way. That bitch was born to be Sugar Plum. At me.

And I second all the old diseases/sweating sickness shit. Gimme some good old fashioned buboes, ladies. I want a dancing plague. Noses rotting off. Get creative.

 

[Shinigami_00]

@Romeo814 that’s just WOW I haven't read all of it yet, but oh boy I don’t remember most of that retarded shit, but it is funny as fuck! Thanks for all the effort you put into exposing this fraud

 

[Aunt Carol]

Hi all, there is a subject I posted on a seperate thread but was recommended to post here.

Chryslyn K Cramer, "professionally" known as Destin Drew Cramer, DestinDraws, and Cryptid.Ink.

Once your account has access to Prospering Grounds, this lady's level of crazy plus your thorough documentation would make this a decent thread on its own.

 

[Romeo814]

Once your account has access to Prospering Grounds, this lady's level of crazy plus your thorough documentation would make this a decent thread on its own.

This was also recommended as well! Given the character limit per post I might go ahead and do that. She's already major DFE'd, even privated her FB after I started bringing her back up here. Removed claims of indigenous ancestry and DID on her Insta and carrd. Hoping theres still some milk left, though!

 

[It's Never Leprosy]

I apologize deeply for the double post but I forgot Tricia Melland, she and her pasteurella infection can be the Rat King and the mice respectively. I promise I'm done casting this cursed munchie Nutcracker now. I'll take my puzzle pieces proudly.

 

[SaltyButter]

This was also recommended as well! Given the character limit per post I might go ahead and do that. She's already major DFE'd, even privated her FB after I started bringing her back up here. Removed claims of indigenous ancestry and DID on her Insta and carrd. Hoping theres still some milk left, though!

Amazing post, I will watch all the ex's vids later. But I just wanted to pop a little reply to say I was sorry to read about your pet. I hope you have millions of pics vids and amazing memories with them to help you through the worst of your grieving.
Back on topic, anyone who abuses animals deserves a special level of hell, and I feel certain this is where this psycho will end up one day. Also I will never understand how someone goes through so many claims without feeling the LEAST bit self conscious about what they are doing. I hope one day these online fakers will have been fully studied for posterity.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

So what about Josh's side of the story? Well, he has a lot to say about Chryslyn Cramers malingering, grifting, and abuse.

Interesting that he mentions her resistance to moving to a “small transphobic republicans town in the mountains” was the reason she leeched on to her because she wanted to stay in the big city.

I’ve noticed small towns to a BPD are like garlic, holy water and the cross combined to vampires. Only large cities allow the BPD to cycle through endless people and abuse sprawling medical/ social service networks. BPD flame out or learn check their behavior in small towns because it doesn’t take long to alienate everyone in your basic age range, then above it, and below it, in short order with BPD antics. One local hospital to use is a nightmare for a munchie malingerer.

I’ve lived in small towns, small cities and very big cities. I used to think it was weird how cities attracted so many BPD types but then it dawned on me a lot end up in large cities for that reason - endless pools of people to try their BS on and no much worries about the burn rate.

 

[Second Alter Ego]

Sorry, I know this has probably been asked thousands of times in this thread but I've only ever gotten a quarter of the way through.
Why do these cunts swarm around disneyworld without fail? It is so bizarrely uniform and childish, it can't possibly entertain them that much?

 

[Sammies#1Fan]

Sorry, I know this has probably been asked thousands of times in this thread but I've only ever gotten a quarter of the way through.
Why do these cunts swarm around disneyworld without fail? It is so bizarrely uniform and childish, it can't possibly entertain them that much?

I think it's twofold: they have arrested development and they're attention-seeking. Plus there are opportunities to chimp out about service dogs.

 

[Dawdler]

Why do these cunts swarm around disneyworld without fail? It is so bizarrely uniform and childish, it can't possibly entertain them that much?

Bc they are kids in body of an adult

 

[Not_a_Doctor]

Why do these cunts swarm around disneyworld without fail? It is so bizarrely uniform and childish, it can't possibly entertain them that much?

Agree with @Sammies#1Fan and @Dawdler and would also add that IMO the Disney obsession is because they are BASIC AF. They have no personality or interests outside of their “disability” and they all copy each other relentlessly. Once one CI “influencer” started to get noticed for going to Disney, they all started doing it. I’m sure someone like Kate Farms Shill could probably map out how the Disney contagion has spread over time.

They also claim that it is an ideal place to train their “service” dogs because of the crowds and stimuli and Disney’s broad accommodations.

I think there’s also bit of a fuck you to society going on: they think it makes them aspirational to not conform to the 9-5 grind and spend all their time celebrating “disabled joy” or whatever the fuck.