Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

That would actually be hilariously petty. Just imagine Greee sitting at his desk in his car, going through the payment portal's checks and balances to send a payment every 3 minutes doing this for weeks just to be petty, while Venmo adds a transaction fee to every payment costing Gree like 15% more than if he had sent it in one payment, on top of the time he wasted doing the transaction over and over.

Greeeee's too dumb to realize a billpay check doesn't have his deets on it, he's a f'ing retard. Too stupid to even figure out this malicious compliance.

(Also he'd fuck up and "accidentally" send $774 to some instathot and then insist that was good enough)

 

[cromit]

As much as he thinks he won in the 10th, Russ forgot that if you’re bringing legal claims, they need a factual basis. Like, evidence. Like, documents and emails and testimony. Like, stuff you gotta disclose. All the 10th said is “sounds plausible if you can prove it.” Russ simply refuses to prove it.

Ordinarily I’d say that a court would think that dismissing this would be enough, and would not be favorable towards moving for anything else like fees or designation of vexlit status. But the Court has also been dealing with someone who refuses to follow its orders and who admits he will lie and commit fraud if it will get him what he wants. The obstinate refusal to provide any evidence for his claims is pretty good evidence that he brought this claim for the purposes of harassment. The district judge also recently pointed out that the “evidence” Russ does append to his motions does not substantiate the statements he makes in the motions.

Spoiler: ruminations on how this will end

I think the most likely ruling that would come of any post-dismissal motions would be a mandatory screening of any future complaints against KF or Null. That’s low-effort, easy to implement, and makes the Court happy that this particular litigant won’t shit on its desk again. It won’t make Null whole, but it will deter Russ in particular, and become another ruling in the site’s arsenal of cites for future wannabe litigants.

Obviously the most onerous imposition (for Russ) would be full fees and costs upon a finding that this lawsuit was for an improper purpose, but… there’s not really a way to avoid that finding here, because of Greee’s complete abdication of any responsibility for participating in discovery. In addition, this entire suit stinks of a SLAPP suit, especially taking into consideration extrajudicial statements like bankrupting Null and the settlement offers of “this all stops if you stop talking about me”. Even if there are not specific applicable statutes in play, you’d think the equitable arguments would be.

Spectrum of least-impactful to most would look something like this:

• Dismissal only, without prejudice, for one reason.
• Above, with the addition of several other reasons.
• Above, except this time with prejudice.
• All the above, with imposition of pre-screening and/or automatic denial of IFP for future cases in D.Utah by Russ against Null/KF.
• All the above, with imposition of pre-screening and/or automatic denial of IFP for all future Russ cases in D.Utah. (I don’t believe this screening status can be implemented nationwide, or that would be an option.)
• All the above, with an explicit finding that Russ is a vexatious litigant.
• All the above, with additional monetary sanctions for one of the pending sanctions motions.
• All the above, with the guarantee that the sanctions are to fully recompense Hardin for his time and effort, not arbitrarily cut down.
• All the above, but for every sanctions motion that has been filed.
• All the above, with the imposition of Hardin’s costs.
• All of the above, with the imposition of some of Hardin’s fees.
• All of the above, with the imposition of all of Hardin’s fees.
• All of the above, with the accumulation of pre-judgment and post-judgment interest.

It’s likely that things will pan out on the upper end of this spectrum, but everything up to and including the bottom should reasonably be contemplated. From how the case has shaken out so far, it looks likely that we might land somewhere in maybe one other paid sanction, but otherwise comprehensive dismissal.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

SCOTUS rescheduled the case

New date:

 

[DiabeticSydePhil]

Is there anything outstanding before the end of the month now that Greer failed to pay sanctions?

Does he still have time to present the restraining order request?

Or do we just wait til the 30th and hopefully this shitshow gets taken behind the shed.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Does he still have time to present the restraining order request?

No, he's already noncompliant, and the Magistrate said he will consider the punishment when he considers the Motion to dismiss

 

[Jacknife]

No, he's already noncompliant, and the Magistrate said he will consider the punishment when he considers the Motion to dismiss

Not sure if this counts as helping Greer, but complying now would probably still be better for him

 

[mindlessobserver]

Not sure if this counts as helping Greer, but complying now would probably still be better for him

It would be a typical Greer move to comply after its too late to comply and everyone had to spend time dealing with his non-compliance. He does this all the time.

 

[Terrifik]

New date:
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thanks for makeing me eat crow scootus .

 

[Jacknife]

It would be a typical Greer move to comply after its too late to comply and everyone had to spend time dealing with his non-compliance. He does this all the time.

I am still 50/50 on Greer just being obstinant or wether there is something in there that is really embarrassing.

One could of course assume that Greer just did not get it because he didn't want to spend the money but that does not explain his unwillingness before he knew that it would cost him.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

thanks for makeing me eat crow scootus .

Thomas is hitting F5 on the Greeee docket and saw the Jun 30 and was like "shit we gotta get in before that".

(It would be a hilariously fitting end to this whole shitshow if the supremes footnoted the 10th appeal into a blackhole and blew this up)

 

[The Un-Clit]

I am still 50/50 on Greer just being obstinant or wether there is something in there that is really embarrassing.

One could of course assume that Greer just did not get it because he didn't want to spend the money but that does not explain his unwillingness before he knew that it would cost him.

I think at first it was just plain laziness, he shit canned that paper ages ago and regretted popping off now that it was going to involve effort to go dig it up.

It later became pure intransigence as the effort and cost mounted up, and he began to hate The Hardship more and more.

 

[CEO of Gay]

I am still 50/50 on Greer just being obstinant or wether there is something in there that is really embarrassing.

One could of course assume that Greer just did not get it because he didn't want to spend the money but that does not explain his unwillingness before he knew that it would cost him.

I would love if it is something particularly damning or embarassing, but it's probably just more incoherent plightsperging. I do hope it is at least funny plightsperging and further supportive of getting Russ labelled a vexatious litigant.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Barlow clearly thinks 1000 (or 1500) dollars is a large penalty for the poor retard

And $1500 in sanctions would still be no more no less than was awarded to Skordas for Russell wasting everyone's time for ONE DAY in small claims court.

Hardin needs to bring this up to the judges and let them know the clear message they're sending is that federal courts and discovery sanctions are far less serious than local small claims courts. A federal Judge will eat WAY more shit. And it's true.

People were amazed at how hard Russ was slapped down with no mercy in his eviction proceedings, and it's the same thing: small claims courts or eviction courts are used to dealing with fifteen Russells every day, see them coming a mile away, and know you can't ever give them an inch and the only remedy is an immediate smackdown and fuck off. The district Judges aren't use to any case getting this far or surviving appeal unless it has SOME merit, and usually the plaintiff has a lawyer so they're actually dealing with a legal professional. But the 10th circuit decided Russ's pro bono lolyers actually made a case worth hearing, so now everyone's stuck with the crazy vexlit forced to act like his case is the (barely) competent one his lolyers made, and he's probably these judges' first Russell. They just aren't used to this and keep trying to make this a normal court case when it just isn't.

If federal Judges were required to spend a mandatory number of hours hearing small claims, they'd be much less forgiving

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Thomas is hitting F5 on the Greeee docket and saw the Jun 30 and was like "shit we gotta get in before that".

(It would be a hilariously fitting end to this whole shitshow if the supremes footnoted the 10th appeal into a blackhole and blew this up)

God, I was thinking about that. I figured the Supreme Court ruling, good or bad, would come far too late to matter for this case. Them slipping it in early enough to potentially throw yet another wrench into this abomination is absolute insanity. How often is a case cited in a case that makes it to the Supreme Court that can then be cited by the original case? This case's final form is going to be a very slobbery ouroborus

 

[Sir Dank-a-Lot]

I’m sure he still believes that he’ll win this suit and have plenty of money to open the Mile High Neon Waffle House and Whoreatorium. He’s multitasking!

 

[Useful_Mistake]

God, I was thinking about that. I figured the Supreme Court ruling, good or bad, would come far too late to matter for this case. Them slipping it in early enough to potentially throw yet another wrench into this abomination is absolute insanity

This is for whether or not to grant cert. An actual decision would be way later (if cert is granted)

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

This is for whether or not to grant cert. An actual decision would be way later (if cert is granted)

Don't be a Debby Downer, this is the first time cert will be granted by shitting on an appelate court directly, or the first time cert will be denied by the self-same shitting!

 

[Harvey Danger]

I’m sure he still believes that he’ll win this suit and have plenty of money to open the Mile High Neon Waffle House and Whoreatorium. He’s multitasking!

He seems to think if he can just survive all these frivolous technicalities, eventually he gets to the point where he drops screenshots from his thread and auto-wins. He didn't start whining about "this has nothing to do with copyright" until case-ending sanctions were on the table.

He can't believe anyone would see the world differently from him, and he can't believe the law works differently than he imagines it. So naturally he can't believe the court would approach this case any differently than how he wants. In Greer's head, Hardin is derailing the "proper" course of the case, and is constantly shocked the judge doesn't stop him.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

eventually he gets to the point where he drops screenshots from his thread and auto-wins

He has stated multiple times, on the record, that his ebidance is literally just ebidance that he got pissed and that he got made fun of.

He has zero evidence of anything else, but look even where he claims - Steve wasn't a witness to copyright infringement, he was a witness to it making Greee mad.

 

[SCRAM]

I eagerly await Gree motioning.

Will he tell the magistrate NO U?

Will he bring up the 10th again?

We he demand sanctions on Hardin again?

Will he bleat "ITS NOT FAAAAAAAAAIR".?

Better than TV. Really.