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Why the fuck do they all think this is some kind of vicious "own" against conservatives? They're literally admitting to modern slavery. There's no way to sugarcoat that statement. "Now that we can't get this back-breaking labor done illegally by illegals for $5/hr -- well below the federal minimum wage, subjecting them to actual slave wages -- you might have to do it. Also lolno, we're not doing it ourselves either."

Fucking. Idiots.

Kind of an aside, but I suspect the current arrangement might actually be cheaper than 19th century (and prior) slavery.

Yes, they're paid 5 dollars an hour, but the responsibility of feeding/clothing/housing/providing medical care to the illegal immigrant has been pushed onto the taxpayer, and there's no upfront cost of purchasing them. There's also no liability on the part of whoever employs them because they aren't considered the employer's property. If a slave were to damage someone else's property or commit a crime that would require a fine, I imagine the slave owner would ultimately be responsible for the penalty (the way I might be liable if my dog bites a child or tears up someone's yard).

So really it just seems like the most corporatized form of slavery that could exist without allowing companies to advertise on specific Juans and Robertos like it's fucking NASCAR.
 
Trump is not going to crack down on the riots because it would 1. give Democrats the fuel to say he's literally Hitler and 2. interrupt his enemies when they're making a mistake. I disagree with this, because like everyone here I want to see blood, but the reality of Trump is often far away from what Trumptards imagine online. He's very much just a politician. He sends troops to be able to say he did and look tough to Republicans, but then they don't actually do anything because he doesn't want to look like a dictator. The riots will continue and local police/National Guard will do nothing but corral them.
That sounds more like Trump letting his enemies set the pace and the narrative. Destroying an American city while waving a foreign flag and firing on US law enforcement is an invasion. Not treating as such is dereliction of duty, and a major goal of the left with Trump is to paint him as a weak leader. Crushing the protests by any means necessary will show Trump's base that he can take care of business and the protesters will have to decide whether they really want to fight the US government. What will the left do in response, call Trump a fascist even more than they already do?
 
That sounds more like Trump letting his enemies set the pace and the narrative. Destroying an American city while waving a foreign flag and firing on US law enforcement is an invasion. Not treating as such is dereliction of duty, and a major goal of the left with Trump is to paint him as a weak leader. Crushing the protests by any means necessary will show Trump's base that he can take care of business and the protesters will have to decide whether they really want to fight the US government. What will the left do in response, call Trump a fascist even more than they already do?
Trump should just let commiefornia burn at this point. Let the people see how liberals are and what there true goals are.
 
How the Protest Movement Lost Social Media
New York Magazine (archive.ph)
By John Herrman
2025-06-12 06:00:49GMT

Progressive activists were once synonymous with places like Twitter. The L.A. demonstrations show how much has changed.
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Since the early 2010s, social media has been identified with protesters. In the early days of platforms like Twitter, this was intuitive. Protest movements want attention, but mainstream media outlets were often slow or reluctant to give it to them, unless, of course, things got out of hand, at which point they’d get plenty. Social media, by contrast, was an effective tool for activists to organize and communicate with one another and directly with the public, providing counternarratives to the ones laid out in popular coverage. The opportunistic embrace of progressive causes by social media executives cemented the perception: Twitter was with the activists.

Eventually, as more politicians, public figures, and members of the media congregated on social media, it also became a way for activists to command and guide elite attention, intervening directly in conversations from which they’d previously been excluded, nudging and sometimes forcing public discourse, increasingly enclosed within a few big platforms, in new directions. This sort of dynamic — social media used to organize protests that then produced encouraging imagery to further spread on social media — helped movements like Black Lives Matter spread across the country.

As most leftist activists would have told you at the time, this was always going to be a temporary arrangement. It contained clear dangers from the start; as much as Twitter and even Facebook leaned into their roles in “democratizing” the media, they were never truly building tools for activists, but rather surveillance networks for advertisers. And despite the social-media visibility of some left-wing movements, the ability to circumvent the media and to translate on-the-ground action into on-the-screen shareable content was valuable to activists across the political spectrum, including on the far right. (To whatever extent the term has meaning, January 6th was a social media protest, too.)

Still, the events of this week — and the ways they’ve played out on social platforms — are a jarring reminder of how much, in a few short years, social media’s relationship with activism has changed. From The New York Times:
As protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration stretched into their fifth day on Tuesday, social media creators have at times outnumbered the traditional press corps at rallies and have played an outsize role in sharing media about what has happened on the ground.

Outfitted with their own makeshift press helmets and vests, many creators — many of whom lean conservative — have livestreamed entire days of coverage and posted to social platforms like X and streaming sites like Twitch and YouTube. During some of the week’s most violent moments, Trump officials like Stephen Miller and billionaires like Elon Musk chose to amplify what the creators published, causing the posts to go viral and feeding the narrative that the violence has been out of control.

Contrast this with typical coverage from the Times in 2020, which described streamers as providing “lengthy alternatives to what some said were out-of-context video clips from mainstream news outlets” during racial protests. The paper declared a new era for progressive activism, inseparable from its medium:
Leveraging technology that was unavailable to earlier generations, the activists of today have a digital playbook. Often, it begins with an injustice captured on video and posted to social media. Demonstrations are hastily arranged, hashtags are created and before long, thousands have joined the cause.

At the core is an egalitarian spirit, a belief that everyone has a voice, and that everyone’s voice matters.

If you squint, you can make out versions of the same story: people bypassing the mainstream media to their own ends; the importance of social media in determining public perceptions of protest movements. There’s also an unmistakable tone-shift from gently awestruck condescension to gently horrified condescension (disclosure: I was a reporter at the Times from 2016-2022, where I sometimes wrote about this subject). In a far more significant sense, though, something bigger has clearly changed. This week’s protests have been visible on social media, but their portrayals are fragmented, strange, and to people on the ground, often absurdly divorced from reality. If social media used to work for activists, or at least could, now it’s more effectively used against them.

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factor in the 2011 Egyptian Revolution — a story embraced by the company’s leadership — the story of social media’s role in Egypt’s politics since has mostly been one of suppression, surveillance, and harassment. An American version of this story has been taking shape for a while. The most significant factor isn’t really about tech — it’s that the current administration is proudly hostile to protest, and has cited social media posts as thin pretexts for no-process arrests and deportations. An administration that both routinely threatens activists with imprisonment, deportation, or worse is more than enough reason for activists to regroup in spaces where privacy can be maintained, not just traded for attention.

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https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1595250835096621057 (archive.ph)

But social media really has been transformed, too, in ways both explicitly ideological and technical. Twitter, the platform people are most often referring to when they talk about these things, is owned by Elon Musk, who bought the platform with the explicit goal of disempowering its “woke” users, and has more than accomplished his goal. Meta is still run by former BLM supporter Mark Zuckerberg, who more recently embraced Trump and pivoted to military contracting. TikTok, which is legally banned, is still online because the Trump administration promised not to enforce the law under vague and suggestive circumstances. Before its legal ban, TikTok’s rise set in motion industry trends that would alter social media’s relationship to activism in material ways. Meta, X, and Google reoriented their platforms around TikTok-style algorithmic video feeds, which relied less on users following one another and more on black-box per-user recommendations.

For the platforms, this meant more engagement. For activists, it meant that there were no longer coherent public conversations in which to intervene, against which to push back, or to join in any meaningful sense at all. Platforms that were once useful for understanding and following the news became venues for pure spectacular consumption. In some ways this was novel and strange, with hundreds of millions of people consuming individualized feeds determined by automated recommendations. In other ways, it was familiar, since it was a reversion to pre-social-media power dynamics. The platforms were no longer social, in any meaningful sense of the word, but rather centralized and exercising constant (algorithmic) editorial discretion. At least as much as the mainstream media that’s now been twice replaced, TikTokified social media rewards decontextualized spectacle. This can be useful for activists to bring attention, generally, to their causes — at least some of the large swing in support for Palestinians can surely be credited to the endless stream of horrific videos from Gaza, which are plenty powerful without further context, and don’t require the authority of a trusted follow. More often, though, the lack of a common chronological feed — the crude social media proxy for a “shared reality,” I guess — produces disorientation, uncertainty, and the ability to retreat completely into ideological safety, pure fantasy, or both.

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No reasonable progressive activist would have suggested, at any point, that these massive companies were genuine friends or allies . But now, the social networks — and the broader tech industry that has enabled more than a decade of American mass movements — are more clearly identified with, or even as, the enemy. This reality has been missing from a lot of the commentary on LA. Much of it has tried to separate the viral images of burning Waymos, which have dominated coverage from both mainstream media and right-wing influencers, from the protesters’ broader response to ICE raids and the threat of more federal troops. Brian Merchant, reporting from the ground, offers a slight corrective:
Google suspended Waymo service to downtown LA, and also in San Francisco, where solidarity protests unfolded. “Why the self-driving cars were targeted remains unknown” is a refrain I heard multiple times on TV and radio news. The reason does not seem so secret to a lot of people.

“Oh they called them up on purpose, lit ‘em on fire like that,” a cameraman shooting on the scene the next day told me. The charred husks in a neat line do seem to suggest that was the case. Other witnesses and journalists who were there shared the same story: People summoned the cars to light them on fire when they arrived. Protestors were reportedly calling them “spy cars” as they were vandalized and set ablaze, and some noted how the cars can share data with the LAPD.

The temptation to sift this out as the work of rogue anarchists or shit-stirring hangers-on is understandable, and probably largely true. But the targets of destruction aren’t always random, and it’s worth thinking about what they mean. The stakes and risks of such a protest in June of 2025 are high. If a protester is already worried that their own phone could get them arrested and prosecuted, taking now-standard precautions to lock it down and disconnect it while being careful not to take photos with identifiable faces in them, how might she see a driverless car covered in cameras and owned by Google?

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https://x.com/adamcurtisbroll/status/1932795867104153995 (archive.ph)

Where do things go from here? In her User Mag newsletter, Taylor Lorenz suggests that progressive disengagement from — and the right’s massive, well-funded right-wing investment in — the influencer culture of post-social media has left the platforms to Trump and his allies, but also suggests a queasy way out: “People with resources” stepping in to finance an alternative. Pro-Trump (or at least anti-protest) voices do seem to be dominating, although one consequence of a post-feed platform is that it’s harder to tell. At the very least, platforms like Instagram, TikTok, and even X have remained somewhat useful for sharing raw — and particularly shocking or exonerating — footage of physical altercations.

Meanwhile, the dozens of groups organizing under the banner of this weekend’s “No Kings” protest, scheduled to counterprogram Trump’s military parade, are trying to figure out what large-scale protest organization looks like in 2025. (Partners include federal employee unions and faith-based groups.) They’ve been able to get media coverage, and word has spread in Instagram stories and TikTok posts. Despite the open planning and explicitly nonviolent language of its organizers, the protests have already earned a National Guard deployment in Texas). They, too, acknowledge that something has changed. On its “Social” page, No Kings supplies suggested messages to supporters and invites them to share on BlueSky.
 
Based legal Beaners are backing Trump's war on illegals. Currently 300 comments in reddit thread on a very progressive and pro-riot subreddit r/LosAngeles.
The vast majority are saying that the MAGA Beaners are backing the crackdown. Those comments are heavily upvoted.

Redditors' only explanation is that everyone who doesn't think like a progressive redditor is an idiot.
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Trump should just let commiefornia burn at this point. Let the people see how liberals are and what there true goals are.
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californians were red until reagan stabbed them in the back with his giga amnesty which turned the state perma blue. it was a heinous act of betrayal that did such disastrous damage that they could never recover from it. they have been effectively subjugated and disenfranchised by the coalition of leftists and foreigners that runs the state.
but they're still there, and they should not be abandoned.
 
NEW: Depraved Illegal Alien convicted of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl in WI.The girl was sold to Juan Carlos Rocha Mejia by her mother for $250.00.

He held the girl in a van & tried to duct tape her as he began to rape her.

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Local news outlets in the Sanctuary City of Birmingham (AL) are proudly promoting illegal alien organizations that track and warn illegals of ICE operations in real time to avoid deportation raids and doxx ICE Agents.

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Well shitlords, it seems you have your marching orders.

Create a beaner AI voice and flood them with fake alerts.

Here’s the number:

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5 Months Into Office, No Trump Talk for San Francisco Mayor
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Heather Knight
2025-06-11 20:25:57GMT
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Mayor Daniel Lurie walking through the Tenderloin neighborhood in San Francisco, with William Scott, then the chief of the San Francisco Police Department, on the morning of his inauguration in January.Credit...Loren Elliott for The New York Times

For Mayor Daniel Lurie of San Francisco, there are two words that he dares not mention: Donald Trump.

This week, his refusal held true even after the president sent National Guard troops into Los Angeles and called up the Marines, leaving many San Franciscans to wonder if their liberal California city could be next.

Mayor Karen Bass of Los Angeles, Representative Nancy Pelosi and Gov. Gavin Newsom have each blamed Mr. Trump for causing chaos. Mr. Newsom, in a nationally televised address on Tuesday night, told Americans that Mr. Trump was putting democracy at risk and that they should rise up to stop him.

But Mr. Lurie has staunchly avoided discussing Mr. Trump’s actions, even when asked on multiple occasions to respond to the various ways that the president’s policies have affected his city. This week, Mr. Lurie instead focused on praising the San Francisco Police Department for the way it handled two protests in the city that were intended to show solidarity with Los Angeles.

Mr. Lurie, an heir to the Levi Strauss fortune, won voter support in November on a promise to improve the daily lives of San Franciscans and avoid ideological disputes. The moderate Democrat, five months into his first-ever elected position, would still rather talk about public safety and trash cleanups.

One protest on Sunday night turned violent when demonstrators clashed with police officers in riot gear, leading to 154 arrests. Another protest on Monday night was far calmer, but a splinter group vandalized buildings and sprayed graffiti, and the police arrested 92 people. Through Monday, more people were arrested in protests in San Francisco than those in Los Angeles, though Los Angeles has since had more.

Several members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, akin to a City Council, have taken to the streets with demonstrators or given fiery speeches from the steps of City Hall, a show of solidarity with other residents against Mr. Trump’s deportations and use of military force in California.

Mr. Lurie, however, spent the protest nights Sunday and Monday huddled with the police chief, fire chief and officials with the Department of Emergency Management in an emergency command center a few blocks from City Hall.

He then called news conferences on Monday and Tuesday to praise his police department, announce city crews were cleaning graffiti from businesses free of charge and reiterate that anyone caught vandalizing property would be arrested.

Mr. Lurie declined to discuss whether he thought the National Guard might come to San Francisco next. He would not say whether he considered Mr. Trump an authoritarian. He would not offer his opinion of the president saying that Mr. Newsom, for whom the mayor’s wife has worked as an aide for years, should be arrested.

He answered almost every question with a version of the same answer.

“My message is, we are keeping San Franciscans safe,” Mr. Lurie said. “We have this under control.”

He spent much of Tuesday’s news conference discussing a totally unrelated topic: proposed changes to how long recreational vehicles can be parked on city streets.

Mr. Lurie’s colleagues expressed shock that five months into a presidential term that has targeted California in extraordinary ways, the mayor still won’t discuss Mr. Trump.

“It is like he who shall not be named,” Supervisor Myrna Melgar said. Her family arrived in California from El Salvador when she was 12 and lived without legal papers until her father obtained citizenship through his work.

Mr. Lurie’s effort to revitalize San Francisco after the pandemic relies on the work of undocumented immigrants in hotels, restaurants and construction sites, said Ms. Melgar, who added that the mayor needed to speak out forcefully on their behalf and against the president.

“I have been disappointed that he has been so quiet,” she said. “We need the kind of leader who steps up to the moment. This is San Francisco, the place that welcomes people from all over, the open, tolerant city.”

Supervisor Jackie Fielder, who represents the Mission District, a heavily Latino neighborhood, said she thought the mayor should condemn the actions of the president and U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.

She said ICE agents picked up 15 people at a San Francisco immigration office building for check-in appointments last week, one of them a 3-year-old. Agents picked up more people from the immigration courthouse on Tuesday. ICE did not respond to requests for information.

“I don’t get it,” she said. “Most San Franciscans despise Trump.”

At news conferences this week, Mr. Lurie acknowledged the “fear and anxiety” in the community and said the city’s sanctuary policies of not cooperating with federal immigration officials would continue. On Tuesday, he reiterated that on X after the ICE detentions.

But allies of Mr. Lurie said that they understood his strategy. Supervisor Rafael Mandelman, the president of the board, said that San Franciscans are not interested in a war of words between their mayor and the president.

“They want him to do everything he can to protect San Francisco’s vulnerable communities,” Mr. Mandelman said.

Nancy Tung, chairwoman of the San Francisco Democratic Party, suggested that ignoring Mr. Trump may even have kept the president’s focus away from San Francisco.

“Maybe his reluctance to utter the president’s name or denounce him has actually kept the militaristic type of ICE raids out of San Francisco,” she said.

In an interview, Mr. Lurie said that he worked for the residents of San Francisco and understood that some of them were fearful now.

Asked if it was true that he would not say the word Trump, Mr. Lurie gave a tight-lipped smile. He said nothing.
 
So much can change in a week.

A week ago, libtards hated conquistadors and colonists and cops.

Now they love Spanish colonial rule, and cops are doing an amazing job and are perfectly in control of the situation so it's not at all a good idea to send in the marines.
It’s amazing to watch these people operate on a day to day basis.

Their talking points literally depend on the latest download from Reddit/“approved” news sources.

Reddit in particular is fascinating to me. Go outside whatever small special interest subreddit you’re there for, and you see people who are literally no different from an LLM when you argue with it.

It’s just wordsalad like the kind you see from Chat GPT. Sentences that APPEAR to mean something, but there’s no THERE there.

They’re perhaps sentient, but they sure as fuck aren’t sapient.
 
And remember, Leftists don't KNOW anything. They actually don't BELIEVE anything.

They just parrot the talking points. They exist and are fed media, so that's what they repeat without understanding any of it.
This is something that they’ll never learn either. The current riots aren’t even about ICE anymore (if it ever was). It’s either ICE or Trump in general or Free Palestine or free Nikes depending on what hour it is.

And it’s always the usual suspects and the usual cities. LA, Seattle, Portland, New York, with some random Atlanta and Dallas thrown in there just for some southern flair. (Also, Detroit and Chicago maybe, but it’s hard to tell if those are actual riots or a normal Wednesday afternoon.) Funny, I’ve never seen a riot in my town or anywhere close, and neither have 90% of Americans, because it just doesn’t fucking happen here.

Yet, those cities will bitch and moan and make laws like defunding the police and allowing thieves to run amuck. Which results in extreme criminal activity, businesses closing stores, and the normie tax-payers leaving the city altogether.

Do you think they learn? Nah. They may silently try to roll back some things or hire more cops, all while saying, “well, we were never wrong about any of this, it’s just a few bad actors blah blah blah.”

Time keeps on ticking. But no one worth a damn actually wants to live in a city that has unruly hooligans running the show who are allowed to riot every 2-4 years right on schedule. But keep blaming conservatives for your own demise. Tick-tock.
 
Redditors' only explanation is that everyone who doesn't think like a progressive redditor is an idiot.
"But you're just like those people. You know, the ones who entered illegally, have no intent to assimilate and are acting like a violent occupying force. You and them are the same!"

Much like "Latinx" the utter ignorance about how that comes across to their audience is delightful.
 
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I don’t know. I think it’s clear that China completely lacks the capacity to do anything here and they’re most likely trying to make a point about Taiwan

Buuut Gavin Newscum certainly acts like he aligns with the CCP. I’m just going to keep half an eye on it

Also there’s the context of chinese repeatedly smuggling bio terror agents into the U.S. recently
 
I don’t know. I think it’s clear that China completely lacks the capacity to do anything here and they’re most likely trying to make a point about Taiwan

Buuut Gavin Newscum certainly acts like he aligns with the CCP. I’m just going to keep half an eye on it
The issue is what would they do if they could do anything? Roll out the tanks? We've seen how they handle protests before.
 
The issue is what would they do if they could do anything? Roll out the tanks? We've seen how they handle protests before.
The main thing there is there’s zero chance they could get tanks across the pacific without us sinking the ships.

Unless reality has warped into some kind of 90’s action movie and there’s a boat with shipping containers full of tanks but I think the possibility of that is like quantum phenomena
 
They don't even fucking know who they really are to be this retardedly pissed off about it; you're not wrong, it's all historical racial grievancing, but they really have no fucking clue that the modern "Mexican" is a fucking hodgepodge of smaller tribes, and this is exponentially true when you consider all the "stolen" land they want back. I grew up next to a reservation; the Mojave Tribe never considered themselves subjects of Spanish controlled Mexico, despite the land borders being defined as such, and God knows all the other tribes that didn't either (I can't name them all). But all these modern Mexicans, who want to scream about foreign land; you're some fucking mix of Aztec and other lesser tribes they victimized or an ever lesser known tribe that was somewhere in the area. Mexico as it once was, was a creation of Spain; and these retarded thick booty taco munchers expect me to believe all that fucking land is some super blended brown "Mexican" who speaks the white man's language. Their only solidarity is not knowing what smaller tribe they were a part of; so they're just brown/Mexican, yet want to scream about colonialization.

Which is one reason I speak lowly of them. They want to try all these modern progressive colonialist shit; bitch you don't even know your mother tongue, you screech about white men raping your abuela, yet speak his language and then try to stake a claim to the borders they made. You retards even have the whole "Mejorar la raza" which is "better the race," which is soft speak for parents telling their kids to get a white partner, because being whiter is a better bloodline. You celebrate your brown skin, while also being told to get a whitey for better genetics.

So anytime these soulless fucking husks want to scream about historical racial grievances, just remember they're not human, they're just mimicking modern talking points. It's no better than a toddler making noises by copying its parents; but the child has a chance to grow up and do something.
Mexicans are an artificial creation of natives, Spain, and a bit of Italian and German. They have no claim. And they were colonizers too, having controlled California for 30 years after Spain fucked off.
 
Reneging on my hoodwinked status, I was just too tired to find the right one

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So yeah, China threatened to liberate California
That's a shitpost (he even admits to it), you can find dozens on X like that, and be careful, Russians are having ball:

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If you can't see the humor in those posts I think you all need some therapy.
 
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