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>VIRTUE SIGNALLING ISN'T POLITICAL YOU'RE JUST A BIGOT
Video Game Archival Autism / TCRF / Jul / Sonic Retro / And More - Harvest Troon: Friends of Byuu-Near-al town
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To put things into perspective a bit...
The Cutting Room Floor -> Sonic Retro -> Hidden Palace -> The Video Game History Foundation -> Limited Run Games -> SeedyEyeSoftware -> Digital Foundry -> Eurogamer.
This thread is about far more than just TCRF, so other related sides would absolutely be worth investigation.
Hidden Palace is one of the few places where you can actually talk about more sensitive kinds of things or be critical of certain things/people (including Frank), provided you're not there for the express purpose of starting shit, complaining about "the hoarders" or dropping nigger nigger nigger faggot faggot faggot. The staff are very hands-off as you've noticed and even participate in the casual discussions about hitler or geopolitics occasionally. While Xkeeper IS staff there, it's more of an honorary position out of past friendships; they haven't interacted with "that side" of the community in a very long time and only stick around to be at the top of the member list presumably.
Occasionally some edginess slips through the cracks, one guy didn't get banned for bluntly stating that a certain female Sega employee is a troon.
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Gwiz I'm assuming? Unless that guy got removed from the PSO2 english moderator team for harassing people.
Might've been Christina Coffin? It was about an STI employee I think, not anyone at modern sega
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I thought Christina coffin is an actual woman? I don't know, I also remember seeing someone in TCRF that was a troon who claimed to be an soa tester for the Dreamcast, maybe them?
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Nope, if you check older websites talking about Sonic Xtreme (I checked some listed at sonicretro that were ancient!) they refer to Coffin as Christian. Why is it always troons and Chrises with Sonic? (Rhetorical question)
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A while back, TVGHF put out a new website that gives public access to scans of magazines and BTS game development content.
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Is there any proof of this? Every profile I've read only referred to them as "Chris" Coffin until it was clarified, and I figured people mistook that to mean it was the same as Chris Senn, another STI dev on X-Treme with a similar story.
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Wait, how the fuck did you post this 5 hours ago? I just got the quote notification now, and this post wasn’t there before.
I don’t believe it’s a tranny. This just seems like a case of a gender-neutral nickname being misunderstood and the resulting telephone game going on for years.
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I don't want to say 1, but to their credit it actually is because of legal reasons, though not every file is subjected to that. They claim that the service they use doesn't allow for selective downloads, you either allow for them or you don't. They also didn't freak out when it was pointed out that you can just rip this stuff from console, so I dunno. Less than a 5, but not a 1 either. It's always good to have a backup, but honestly I don't think most people are THAT unstable, least not yet.
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I think the truth in the story was that it was a series of fuckups and the telephone game from a time when women weren't common in game development. She gave some GDC talk in 2011 about women in gaming as well, long before the rise of troons, as well as being credited as "Christina" in a game from 2000.
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BTS content would definitely be nice to grab, although given some cursory glances it seems they’re built to be at least a bit scrape-resistant. According to some comments in r/datahoarders wget didn’t work and the layout of the website seems to be have lots of annoying redirects. Frankly for the few things I tried to load they simply didn’t, and I wasn’t even scraping yet. Hopefully when they come out of “early access” it’ll be a more stable experience. I’d say 4 or 5/10, on the radar but doesn’t seem to be at immediate risk.
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This is the site where they refer to Chris Coffin as a he, either someone messed up or IDK. I'm just wary of anything related to women programmers after they started astroturfing the "woman" that ported Doom to the 3DO in a ridiculously short time (and that was on the 90s so a name credit from an old game doesn't mean anything)
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Oh, that wasn't a woman? I love how you don't know until years later. language is like that
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When >she gets called "Burger Becky" because >she has a habit of keeping uneaten hamburgers in her desk's drawers, you know that cannot possibly be a woman.
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The VGHF people could just be retarded and not understand fair use very well, but again, it's likely for the donation grift - this happens a lot. Usually in a library/archives environment a digital file resource is either restricted access to one person at a time (i.e. you need to borrow it out to yourself first) and may or may not contain DRM. A file on a live website that can be viewed by thousands of people at once, with nothing but a pithy little "hehe if you access this you prommy it's only for research, r-right?" does not fair use make. This site will fold like all the others the nanosecond a publishing company sends a C&D (viable or otherwise), no backups, no dumps, fuck you. See: the IA nuking their book borrowing system because they lifted borrowing restrictions to grift donations during COVID, and subsequently got hit with a huge lawsuit. None of which was necessary for the maintenance of the archives, by the way, because they're owned and funded by the Wikipedia people.
Worse still, these conglomerated archives often become the de-facto "official" location, and moralfags will often delete their own archive repositories to redirect people to sites like this instead. Nobody thinks to preserve it, because it looks official and above-board, the owners actively discourage mirroring because they're making money off it. When it goes down, nobody has it, or it's spread to the four winds and the actual preservationists have to start again. This actually happened with the IA back in the day - people assumed it wouldn't be taken down because it was a nonprofit, so centralized all their archives there, and then got fucked in the ass when the DMCAs started hitting. Some people have learned from that; many still haven't.
If it has a cunt's hair chance of being under copyright, it is not safe in a single centralized location, end of story.
TL;DR of the above: Anyone asking for money to either create an archive or maintain a collection should not be trusted. If it's not on your hardware, future access is never guaranteed.
Worse still, these conglomerated archives often become the de-facto "official" location, and moralfags will often delete their own archive repositories to redirect people to sites like this instead. Nobody thinks to preserve it, because it looks official and above-board, the owners actively discourage mirroring because they're making money off it. When it goes down, nobody has it, or it's spread to the four winds and the actual preservationists have to start again. This actually happened with the IA back in the day - people assumed it wouldn't be taken down because it was a nonprofit, so centralized all their archives there, and then got fucked in the ass when the DMCAs started hitting. Some people have learned from that; many still haven't.
If it has a cunt's hair chance of being under copyright, it is not safe in a single centralized location, end of story.
I remember Jason Scott getting into a spat with an "archive foundation" that was accepting donations to digitize a huge amount of rare PC magazines. They'd been given to this foundation specifically because the donor thought they were the right people for the digitization job. Instead of doing that, they were unceremoniously thrown out without telling the donor or finding someone to take them. The owner had them in some shitty storage unit somewhere (that had a water leak, no less) because he was a cheap fuck, didn't pay the rent, and then let them get repo'd.
Moral of this tangent is that running any kind of archive is hard, complicated, and requires extremely tight organization skills. This is one of the reasons the main drivers of archives are public institutions, libraries, and cultural societies. People (i.e. professionally trained archivists and records managers) get hired specifically to organize an archives project from acquisition to disposal. Some grifting fuck with startup capital money or autists with control issues are the worst people imaginable for the job, because their motivations (money, influence, clout, control) are ancillary to the preservation of the materials.
Moral of this tangent is that running any kind of archive is hard, complicated, and requires extremely tight organization skills. This is one of the reasons the main drivers of archives are public institutions, libraries, and cultural societies. People (i.e. professionally trained archivists and records managers) get hired specifically to organize an archives project from acquisition to disposal. Some grifting fuck with startup capital money or autists with control issues are the worst people imaginable for the job, because their motivations (money, influence, clout, control) are ancillary to the preservation of the materials.
TL;DR of the above: Anyone asking for money to either create an archive or maintain a collection should not be trusted. If it's not on your hardware, future access is never guaranteed.