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[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

The Hebrews and Israelites in the Bible aren't the Jews of today,

That same logic would lead you to say that Catholics of today aren't Christians.

the Jews of today are from the tribe of Judah, which wasn't the one that was blessed as the "Chosen People", the Hebrews/Israelites of the Bible that are blessed are from the tribe of Joseph, through Ephraim (Fruitful/Plentiful) and Manasseh (Forgetful), his sons, they are prophesied to be plentiful.
In Genesis 41:51, Joseph names his son Manasseh, saying, “God has made me forget all my trouble and all my father’s household.

This whole shtick is massive historical and Biblical illiteracy.
Bar the semantic nonsense, all Jews of today are a mix of each other's tribe's since the Assyrian Empire.
Using Genesis as your theological extrapolation of the Jews is like using the first chapter of Mark and forgetting all other Gospels.

The tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh were part of the northern kingdom of Israel, which was conquered by the Assyrians in 722 BC. The inhabitants were exiled, and many assimilated into surrounding populations.

Including the southern Judean population along with all other Northern Tribes who ran away from Assyria.

The blessed people of the OT are all of us, all the nations on Earth, through the tribe of Joseph, all people on earth have been blessed through the tribe of Joseph.

I don't even know what to do with this. I guess Joseph's tribe blessed the Chinese and Indians somehow.

Some of the Hebrews of Judah joined Christianity, the rest became Pharisees, none of the Pharisees in the OT or NT are blessed by God, they deny God and his son, they are not the chosen people, the tribe of Joseph are, which became plentiful (all of earth) and forgetful (assimilated in all of us).

First of as a somewhat unrelated, though important note, it was the Sadducee who had Christ crucified.
Jesus was actually in good terms with the traditionalist nationalist Pharisees, some of their leaders whom also listened to Christ.

The blessings started with Noah, the eldest sons were blessed, Shem and Japheth (through being in the tent of Shem) but Ham, the youngest, was cursed. (Later Ham and his tribe became the Canaans, but that's another story)

Guess who was Abraham?

Later on, through Noah to Shem/Japheth to all their descendants to Jacob, Judah received a significant blessing from Jacob in

Who was Abraham tho?

Genesis 49:8-12, prophesying leadership and royalty. Joseph also received a major blessing in Genesis 49:22-26, with prosperity and prominence for his descendants, and he was favored by Jacob, but Judah and his tribe wasn't cursed, or else the ones that decided to join in Christ wouldn't be saved. But the ones that aren't saved are the ones that denies Christ, the Pharisees, or the Jews that we know of today, which none of them are the chosen people, despite what they claim.

Okay. First of all, the tribal lines were almost completely lost even before the Jewish Exile, second, all tribes intermingled and there is 0% chance that the tribes were "pure" by any stretch. Third, Christ did not distinguish between one tribe or another. Fourth, the tribal blessings are not some eternal blessing of Jewsihood. Just overall, you're talking gibberish nonsense that makes no sense.

All to say none of this means anything if the Jews of today are not the Jews of aforetimes.

But seriously, read less conspiracy antisemite blogs and read you Catechism.

 

[Frick Marisa]

That same logic would lead you to say that Catholics of today aren't Christians.

No, because the NT says explicitly that his Church is the Catholic Church through Peter. This hasn't changed anywhere in the NT.

This whole shtick is massive historical and Biblical illiteracy.
Bar the semantic nonsense, all Jews of today are a mix of each other's tribe's since the Assyrian Empire.
Using Genesis as your theological extrapolation of the Jews is like using the first chapter of Mark and forgetting all other Gospels.

I'm explaining how they are the Jews of Judah as in, what they believe in, not as a genetic argument of how they are direct descendant of the tribe of Judah, but the teaching of the tribe of Judah is what the Jews of today believe in today, this is where the Talmud comes from.

I'm using "Jew" in the ideology sense, not the genetic one, since from a genetic standpoint all people on Earth are blessed through Ephraim, and you can't have any of the old tribe still alive today be cursed since it would go against the freewill that was given to us. And the Jews of today, just like they did before they became Pharisees, can still be saved by accepting Christ as their savior, but until they do they can't. Except through Invincible Ignorance or God’s Mercy (CCC 847-848 ), which both state that someone who doesn't believe in Christ can still be saved through no fault of their own, so people who don't know about Christ (Invincible Ignorance) and people who do know about Christ but are just lead astray, like, poor evangelization, cultural barriers, or scandal within the Church, can still be saved through God's Mercy.

But for the Pharisees, the CCC ( 846 ) also talks about Responsibility for Knowledge, which cites the principle from Lumen Gentium: "Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it." This suggests that deliberate rejection of Christ or the Church, with full knowledge and consent, may jeopardize salvation. Which makes the Pharisees, aka, the Jews of today, still responsible for their own beliefs.

Including the southern Judean population along with all other Northern Tribes who ran away from Assyria.

Yes! None of them are cursed. This isn't a genetic argument but ideological one.

I don't even know what to do with this. I guess Joseph's tribe blessed the Chinese and Indians somehow.

Yes, they did. Through Ephraim and Manasseh.

Guess who was Abraham?

Who was Abraham tho?

"God renamed him Abraham, meaning "father of many nations," reflecting his legacy."

But seriously, read less conspiracy antisemite blogs and read you Catechism.

I just mentioned the Catechism above!

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

the Jews of today are from the tribe of Judah

but the teaching of the tribe of Judah is what the Jews of today believe in today, this is where the Talmud comes from.

Marisa is incorrect in saying that the tribe of Judah is the cause of Rabbinic Judaism. Judah and Benjamin were the only remaining distinct tribes after the destruction of the Northern Kingdom, but that's a stretch to claim that Rabbinic Judaism came from the tribe of Judah just because those were the only guys left. There's multiple historical layers of Pharisees, Second Temple Destruction, and Jewish Diaspora prior to the emergence of Rabbinic Judaism.
God blessed all the tribes of Israel and when the Northern Kingdom turned to idolatry and was wiped out by the Assyrians, the Southern Kingdom who (initially) remained with God was primarily comprised of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin (hence the Northern Kingdom being called Israel and the Southern Kingdom being called Judah).
One of the titles given to Christ in the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) is Lion of the Tribe of Judah, recognizing Jacob's blessing on Judah and Christ's earthly descent from that tribe. It's silly to split hairs over the 12 tribes today, as making even intellectual distinctions between them to apply to all of Judaism post-diaspora is, at best, historically irrelevant.

But seriously, read less conspiracy antisemite blogs and read you Catechism.

Let's see what relevant passages we can find in the old Denzinger with a little crtl+F on Jews.

The Council of Rome (382) says:
If anyone thinks well of the Father and the Son, but does not rightly esteem the Holy Spirit, he is a heretic, because all heretics who think erroneously about the Son [ of God ] and the [ Holy ] Spirit are found in the perfidy of the Jews and the pagans.

Cantate Domino (1442) from the Council of Florence says:
It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock;

Alright, those are certainly some authoritative documents of the Church stating that the Jews don't have salvation in God. But some Popes and time periods didn't like Jews. Maybe we just need to find a statement from a Pope who protected the Jews, like Gregory X.

Pope Gregory X in his letter Papal Protection of the Jews (1272) says:
Although they prefer to persist in their stubbornness rather than to recognize the words of their prophets and the mysteries of the Scriptures [which, according to the Church, foretold the coming of Jesus], and thus to arrive at a knowledge of Christian faith and salvation;

Even though Gregory X afforded great protection to Jews from unjust authorities and accusations of blood libel, he seems to also think that they, due to their own practices, reject Christ and thus do not receive salvation.
But surely, Vatican II changed all of this, right? Didn't Vatican II say the Jews are saved?

Nostra Aetate (1965) says:
As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation, nor did the Jews in large number accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading. Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle.
. . .
Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

I care about what the Church teaches, something of which you have no knowledge of.

What the Church teaches remains consistent with my previous post. God remains faithful to the Jews by continuously calling them to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Whom one must believe in (absent the particulars @Frick Marisa laid out clearly with references to the CCC) to have salvation and eternal life. The relationship between Jews and the Church (really the Church and any non-Christian religion) should be amicable but tense. Maybe they're really trying their best, but they're wrong, and to claim otherwise would be to bastardize Sacred Scripture.

What would God hate more? Some Jews rejecting Jesus, but still trying to find good graces in their old laws or going totally nuts and sacrificing children to Leafy the Wonder Oak?

Very Low IQ statement. Yeah, God would be more upset by pagan child sacrifice than Jews doing their Jew thing. That doesn't mean Jews are receiving salvation after a lifetime of consciously and actively rejecting Christ. This also goes back to my spoilered point. Rabbinic Judaism != the Sacrificial & Temple Judaism God commanded in the OT. Maybe it's the next best thing; I don't really care because in neither case is it the path to salvation.

Cope, sneed, repent, and believe in the Gospel. If you aren't a literal Jew, you're a spiritual one with all this kvetching, so you definitely need to accept Jesus in your heart.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Tom Bombodildo​

Marisa is incorrect in saying that the tribe of Judah is the cause of Rabbinic Judaism. Judah and Benjamin were the only remaining distinct tribes after the destruction of the Northern Kingdom, but that's a stretch to claim that Rabbinic Judaism came from the tribe of Judah just because those were the only guys left. There's multiple historical layers of Pharisees, Second Temple Destruction, and Jewish Diaspora prior to the emergence of Rabbinic Judaism.
God blessed all the tribes of Israel and when the Northern Kingdom turned to idolatry and was wiped out by the Assyrians, the Southern Kingdom who (initially) remained with God was primarily comprised of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin (hence the Northern Kingdom being called Israel and the Southern Kingdom being called Judah).
One of the titles given to Christ in the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) is Lion of the Tribe of Judah, recognizing Jacob's blessing on Judah and Christ's earthly descent from that tribe. It's silly to split hairs over the 12 tribes today, as making even intellectual distinctions between them to apply to all of Judaism post-diaspora is, at best, historically irrelevant.

That's not entirely true. When the Assyrians went nuts across the Mid. East, the North was slaughtered, but people aren't stupid, they see war coming, they get the hell out of the way. Thus all the Northern tribes went south. There's archeological evidence that Jerusalem boomed in sized out of nowhere just at that time period. Naturally the tribes settled and began mixing, so even at that time it was not that clear who belonged to which tribe anymore.
But I absolutely agree it's idiotic to throw the Jewish label or say that modern Jews are not the same Jews as the Jews from 2000 years ago because of Jews 4000 years ago, when the Jews didn't even exist yet.
Pure lunacy.

Let's see what relevant passages we can find in the old Denzinger with a little crtl+F on Jews.

As long as you read the Cathecism and official RCC position on Jews and other non-Catholics from, you know, documents that actually matter to the Catholic faith.

What the Church teaches remains consistent with my previous post. God remains faithful to the Jews by continuously calling them to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Whom one must believe in (absent the particulars @Frick Marisa laid out clearly with references to the CCC) to have salvation and eternal life. The relationship between Jews and the Church (really the Church and any non-Christian religion) should be amicable but tense. Maybe they're really trying their best, but they're wrong, and to claim otherwise would be to bastardize Sacred Scripture.

I ain't gonna lie. I totally agree.

Very Low IQ statement. Yeah, God would be more upset by pagan child sacrifice than Jews doing their Jew thing. That doesn't mean Jews are receiving salvation

Whose to judge what Jews receive or not?

after a lifetime of consciously and actively rejecting Christ.

In what context? I'll even cut to the chase. You are raised in a continual tradition and history of persecution, you probably get bullied by little Catholic brats, but all of a sudden you are demanded to follow the same path as these people who hate your guts at the pain of damnation?
I don't know whose the low IQ here, you or the muppet god you'd preach.

This also goes back to my spoilered point. Rabbinic Judaism != the Sacrificial & Temple Judaism God commanded in the OT. Maybe it's the next best thing; I don't really care because in neither case is it the path to salvation.

The path of salvation for them is not the key point, the point is borderline racism and elitism based on absolute misunderstanding of Church teaching and history which actually does become a key point of salvation, but not for the Jews, but for you.

Cope, sneed, repent, and believe in the Gospel. If you aren't a literal Jew, you're a spiritual one with all this kvetching, so you definitely need to accept Jesus in your heart.

Bro is going to tell me to cope, seethe and repent with his busted theology and basically calls me a Jew lol
This ain't the Jay Dyer discord, chief.

Frick Marisa​

No, because the NT says explicitly that his Church is the Catholic Church through Peter. This hasn't changed anywhere in the NT.

No, see the Church from 2000 years ago isn't the same as 2000 years later, because Melcizadeh didn't pray the rosary.

I'm explaining how they are the Jews of Judah as in, what they believe in, not as a genetic argument of how they are direct descendant of the tribe of Judah, but the teaching of the tribe of Judah is what the Jews of today believe in today, this is where the Talmud comes from.

Whuat.

I'm using "Jew" in the ideology sense, not the genetic one, since from a genetic standpoint all people on Earth are blessed through Ephraim, and you can't have any of the old tribe still alive today be cursed since it would go against the freewill that was given to us. And the Jews of today, just like they did before they became Pharisees, can still be saved by accepting Christ as their savior, but until they do they can't. Except through Invincible Ignorance or God’s Mercy (CCC 847-848 ), which both state that someone who doesn't believe in Christ can still be saved through no fault of their own, so people who don't know about Christ (Invincible Ignorance) and people who do know about Christ but are just lead astray, like, poor evangelization, cultural barriers, or scandal within the Church, can still be saved through God's Mercy.

Yeah, I ain't eve going to bother with this gibberish.

But for the Pharisees, the CCC ( 846 ) also talks about Responsibility for Knowledge, which cites the principle from Lumen Gentium: "Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it." This suggests that deliberate rejection of Christ or the Church, with full knowledge and consent, may jeopardize salvation. Which makes the Pharisees, aka, the Jews of today, still responsible for their own beliefs.

Suggest WHUAT?
What kind of idiotic nonsense even is this? Ever hear of confirmation bias?
Breh, if this is your Catholicism, I feel really sorry for you.

 

[Frick Marisa]

Marisa is incorrect in saying that the tribe of Judah is the cause of Rabbinic Judaism. Judah and Benjamin were the only remaining distinct tribes after the destruction of the Northern Kingdom, but that's a stretch to claim that Rabbinic Judaism came from the tribe of Judah just because those were the only guys left.

I agree with your points, and I realize I explained myself poorly. My comment about the Tribe of Judah was not meant to suggest that Rabbinic Judaism originated solely from Judah, as that oversimplifies it, that's my bad!

My intended point was that traditional Jewish belief, as found in the Talmud, emphasizes the Tribe of Judah’s significance due to two factors: the expectation that the Messiah will descend from Judah through King David’s line, as discussed in Sanhedrin 98b, and the historical survival of Judah and Benjamin as the primary tribes that maintained Jewish identity after the Assyrian exile, as noted in Kiddushin 4b. These sources highlight Judah’s prominence in Jewish theology and history, but I agree that tying Rabbinic Judaism directly to Judah’s tribal identity is a stretch, and that's on me.

I also agree that splitting hairs over the 12 tribes today is largely irrelevant. However, Judah’s legacy remains important in traditional Messianic expectations. Thanks for clarifying the broader historical context and correcting me!

No, see the Church from 2000 years ago isn't the same as 2000 years later, because Melcizadeh didn't pray the rosary.

Matthew 16:17-19

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

>busted theology
>gibberish
>look inside
>Church Council and catechism citations

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

This thread's gonna become one of those groyper faggot dens where the antisemites gather, larp Catholic and post bullshit theology to cope.
Sad.
Another one bites the dust.

Genuinely curious.
Do you retards even know how the Catholic Church works?

 

[Frick Marisa]

This thread's gonna become one of those groyper faggot dens where the antisemites gather, larp Catholic and post bullshit theology to cope.
Sad.
Another one bites the dust.

Genuinely curious.
Do you retards even know how the Catholic Church works?

You always ask leading questions, but you never fully say what’s on your mind. If you think we’re doing something wrong, spell it out, exactly and completely.
What is "bullshit theology" to you? Where’s the antisemitism you’re seeing? And what makes you think anyone is larping? If you’re going to throw around accusations, back them up with specifics so we can actually have a discussion. Otherwise, it’s just noise.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

You always ask leading questions, but you never fully say what’s on your mind. If you think we’re doing something wrong, spell it out, exactly and completely.
What is "bullshit theology" to you? Where’s the antisemitism you’re seeing? And what makes you think anyone is larping? If you’re going to throw around accusations, back them up with specifics so we can actually have a discussion. Otherwise, it’s just noise.

Let me spell it out at least in part.
The Catholic Church does not teach the antisemitic bullshit that the gang has been spouting.
All the bullshit about tribes is just that, bullshit. Nobody in any respectable theology school would take that seriously, let alone a Catholic one. That's one thing.
Another thing is if you take one measly quote, be it from the Bible, a Church Father, a famous teacher or some other source, you better have proper authority behind it to back up your horse shit, but you won't have it. Know how I know? I've been down this stupid road before. It's always some child thinking he'd got it all figured out because he read E. Michael Jones or some shit.

So again I ask. Do you know how Catholic authority works? Have even seen a Cathecism? Have you ever heard of the Magisterium? Do you honestly believe your Bishop, or the Pope, would take all that shit about Jews "loosing" salvation because they rejects something they don't even fully know? Bar all that. Have you even ever talked to a Jew? Do you know their denominations and differences? I GUARANTEE you that you don't know jack shit. All you know is how to post quotes and talk shit. Sadly for you, that ain't how Catholicism works.

 

[Mound Dweller]

This thread's gonna become one of those groyper faggot dens where the antisemites gather, larp Catholic and post bullshit theology to cope.
Sad.
Another one bites the dust.

It was doing fine till you started sperging nigger, truly the spirit of fr*nch d*p lives on, it''s not asking much not to tard out over points of contention but you can't even manage that, feel free to go forth and multiply as they say, are you even Catholic bro or do you just like to shit around them?

Genuinely curious.
Do you retards even know how the Catholic Church works?

You wanna give an opinion or you just gonna accuse us all of being jewhater spicolas huentes cocksuckers before reeeeing out, again?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

It was doing fine till you started sperging nigger,

lol

truly the spirit of fr*nch d*p lives on, it''s not asking much not to tard out over points of contention but you can't even manage that, feel free to go forth and multiply as they say, are you even Catholic bro or do you just like to shit around them?

I'm the one sperking indeed.

You wanna give an opinion or you just gonna accuse us all of being jewhater spicolas huentes cocksuckers before reeeeing out, again?

Yeah, this thread is fubared.

Should change the thread name to proto protestant orthobros: catholic edition or something.

 

[Mound Dweller]

lol

lmao

I'm the one sperking indeed.

Yeah, this thread is fubared.

Should change the thread name to proto protestant orthobros: catholic edition or something.

The thread is fine nigger you're just pooping here for ((some reason)), why, do you just not like the denomination?
We also like filioque so can't be orthodogs and appreciate incense to much to be protlarpers, maybe sedes (have we even had any?) could count as... something.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

lmao



The thread is fine nigger you're just pooping here for ((some reason)), why, do you just not like the denomination?

I don't like you or your ilk that call themsevles Catholic, while you're just grifters.

We also like filioque so can't be orthodogs and appreciate incense to much to be protlarpers, maybe sedes (have we even had any?) could count as... something.

Nobody cares what you "like" or don't. First of, learn how to write coherently.
Second, is anybody going to answer me how the Catholic line of authority works and at what level is your antisemite bullshit tolerated in the Church?

 

[Mound Dweller]

I don't like you or your ilk that call themsevles Catholic, while you're just grifters.

How am I not Catholic? the bishop says so, I also don't make money off of it, you are just flinging shit like the poo poo monkey you are, why so angy?

Nobody cares what you "like" or don't. First of, learn how to write coherently.
Second, is anybody going to answer me how the Catholic line of authority works and at what level is your antisemite bullshit tolerated in the Church?

My antisemitic bullshit? bro I love the State of Israel and the Jewish People, I think you are strawmanning/projecting a bit here. My shit is perfectly coherent which is more than what can be said for you, you have yet to actually self ID your own denomination.
There is historical precedent for jewhate to be legitimized under the aegis of faith, not so much these days because it's permissibility is quite rightly highly questionable, and it's interesting topic, but it is not one you're going to get engagement with if you just reeeeee about it.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

How am I not Catholic? the bishop says so, I also don't make money off of it, you are just flinging shit like the poo poo monkey you are, why so angy?

Yeah. The antisemite faggot with his 2008 blog theology is going to say I'm smearing shit lol

My antisemitic bullshit? bro I love the State of Israel and the Jewish People, I think you are strawmanning/projecting a bit here.

Don't tell that to the folks who keep asming if I'm a yd/kike/jew.
They'll think you're gay.

My shit is perfectly coherent which is more than what can be said for you, you have yet to actually self ID your own denomination.
There is historical preceden

HOW DOES AUTHORITY WORK IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

Which part of this question do you not understand?
Fuck your precedent. The Catholic line about the Jews is clear and it is NOTHING like any of your fake ilk are saying.
If you had actually bothered to look it up instead of being a moron all this time, you'd have read it like a 100 times by now.

for jewhate to be legitimized under the aegis of faith

I literally cannot.

, not so much these days because it's permissibility is quite rightly highly questionable, and it's interesting topic, but it is not one you're going to get engagement with if you just reeeeee about it.

Nigger.
HOW DOES AUTHORITY WORK IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

 

[sedoL]

Personally, i don't go to Church to discuss/sperg about Jews, that's what this place and you guys are for

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

Second, is anybody going to answer me how the Catholic line of authority works and at what level is your antisemite bullshit tolerated in the Church?

Even if someone wanted to take the time to do that, all you've done is handwave the actual authoritative documents (text from Church Councils and Scripture) and summaries of authoritative documents (The Catechism of the Catholic Church) which have been shown to you. I don't know what the fuck you think the Magisterium says that would contradict "Those who remain in the Jewish faith reject Jesus and thus will (most likely) not receive eternal life.", but I'd love to see it. If you have something that you could quote or reference, now is the time to show the class. But all you're doing is getting MATI as everyone else makes normal posts.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Yeah. The antisemite faggot with his 2008 blog theology is going to say I'm smearing shit lol

Now you're the one being incomprehensible, what the fuck are you referring to here what is a 2008 blog theory I have no idea.

Don't tell that to the folks who keep asming if I'm a yd/kike/jew.
They'll think you're gay.

Well, are you? You keep refusing to say, it is a little sus bro.

HOW DOES AUTHORITY WORK IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

Which part of this question do you not understand?
Fuck your precedent. The Catholic line about the Jews is clear and it is NOTHING like any of your fake ilk are saying.
If you had actually bothered to look it up instead of being a moron all this time, you'd have read it like a 100 times by now.

It's not complicated friend it's right there in the official documents; Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. I am not writing you a blogpost you can GPT yourself one.
My fake ilk? you're strawmanning again, what is you problem exactly? Can you try and be specific instead of spazzing out?

I literally cannot.

You toucan.

Nigger.
HOW DOES AUTHORITY WORK IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

You gonna tell you us if you're a salty Jew or not because it would honestly explain a lot.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Even if someone wanted to take the time to do that, all you've done is handwave the actual authoritative documents (text from Church Councils and Scripture) and summaries of authoritative documents (The Catechism of the Catholic Church) which have been shown to you. I don't know what the fuck you think the Magisterium says that would contradict "Those who remain in the Jewish faith reject Jesus and thus will (most likely) not receive eternal life.", but I'd love to see it. If you have something that you could quote or reference, now is the time to show the class. But all you're doing is getting MATI as everyone else makes normal posts.

Wow.
HOW DOES AUTHORITY WORK IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Is literally the most basic question anyone can ask. And you stupid bastards aren't even capable to answer that.
I am literally talking to a bunch on kindergartners in this deadass thread.

My conspiratorial mind even thinks you shits actually did look up how authority works, and you did look up what the Church teaches about the Jews. But can't come out and admit the bad.
Whatever. All this shit is on your conscience. Stop larping and learn proper Church teaching tho.

 

[Frick Marisa]

Genuinely curious.

Spoiler: He wasn't genuinely curious.