The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Trans Fat 41g]

I wonder if that will lead to a schism in the community that literally ends up with incompatible codebases.

What's the best distros that don't have systemd?

"Best" is a bit of a muddy basis to work with.

Alpine Linux (non-GNU) doesn't enforce any hugely opinionated defaults from what I've seen, and you can use a simple script to bypass session bus errors when not using elogind, or use seatd instead and go from there. Antix (GNU) is the lighter half of MX Linux and you use window managers instead of full desktop environments, and it doesn't rely on elogind whatsoever.

 

[Vesperus]

Let's say he didn't. Trannies and progressives contribute. And the do try that. Why wouldn't he just be able to cut it off then? Kick contributors that insist on bringing politics to the project.

Isn't that more or less what's happening? This isn't an attempt to re-write X11 from scratch, just to get some changes in. That this goes against "the agenda" is why it was necessary to fork it. Unless I've missed it, there no requirement to actually be anti-troon.

I probably need to look into the gnu stuff again. But from what I recall they did try to subvert gnu. Gnu only cares about free software not about retarded gay nigga politics. So they ended up turning on gnu down the line. But gnu still isn't know explicitly as non-dei.

Gnu is probably a fringe case, because it has its own purity death spiral over (for lack of a better word) "freeness".

 

[Anti Snigger]

I've been giving i3 a try, (I just have it as an option, I'm mainly using KDE plasma), but I've been noticing that I find it awkward to use outside of certain workflows. Namely, I find it the most ergonomic when I'm doing development stuff, but with something like a file or web browser open, I find it a lot less comfortable to use, and the clashing of styles between different programs is a lot more noticeable.
Am I getting filtered or is there something I could do about this? I do genuinely like it when I have just a bunch of terminals and an editor open.

 

[Ferryman]

Personally I'm alienated by projects which adopt Code of Conducts like the """Contributor Covenant""" but that might just be me.

Oh no, I'm 100% with you there. Hence my love for OpenBSD and Obarun, both of which have essentially zero CoCs.

I wonder if that will lead to a schism in the community that literally ends up with incompatible codebases.

What's the best distros that don't have systemd?

I was schizoposting about this like ~5 pages ago. Lemme give you a TLDR:
- OpenBSD/FreeBSD have 0 systemd creep so are great by default
- Obarun Linux is a smaller arch-based distro run by an extreme anti-systemd schizo, def my #1 OS of choice, currently tidying up before I swap my main machine over to it
- Antix Linux also has 0 systemd components but is run by actual Antifa people; if you can look past that it is an excellent debian based, minimalist distro
- Gentoo if you are willing to use heavily restrictive USE flags to disable all sysd components
- Same with Artix, you can achieve this with out too much difficulty by using the s6 version and cutting out elogind and dbus, but if you are already that motivated, you might as well just use Obarun

That's my shake on it. Just keep in mind that if you truly purge ALL sysd components you'll be relegated to using window managers like i3 or DWM because pretty much all DEs require some systemd elements. This blog here has other excellent choices if you want to peruse: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2025/06/09/363/

I've been giving i3 a try, (I just have it as an option, I'm mainly using KDE plasma), but I've been noticing that I find it awkward to use outside of certain workflows. Namely, I find it the most ergonomic when I'm doing development stuff, but with something like a file or web browser open, I find it a lot less comfortable to use, and the clashing of styles between different programs is a lot more noticeable.
Am I getting filtered or is there something I could do about this? I do genuinely like it when I have just a bunch of terminals and an editor open.

One word: keybinds. While I run DWM instead of i3, you can rig a keybind to swap you to a new workspace and drag or open your browser in there, if that's what you meant. For a more rice-friendly browser, may I suggest Qutebrowser? Very clean, very light, and very fun to use if you know your vim. Probably the most riceable browser you can find right now tbh, definitely far and away better than chromium/firefox.

 

[Retard Marine]

What's the best distros that don't have systemd?

I don't know if it's the best for you but Void Linux is one I've enjoyed using.

 

[Anti Snigger]

One word: keybinds.

Honestly the keybinds aren't a huge issue, I've been using tilix and emacs for years, so splitting isn't crazy for me. Biggest learning curve on that front is the different 'flow' for choosing vertical / horizontal splitting.
On emacs, you do `C-x [2/3]` for vertical and horizontal splits respectively, while i3 has the weird passive toggle with `M-[v/h]` followed by opening something. It's just a bit easy for me to space on that.

 

[RGBCube]

Call me late, retarded, etc, but nobody who:

1. Can actually write good code
2. Knows the merits of X11 and Wayland, and the bad parts of both
3. Has actually interacted with the X codebase and has written apps and windowing abstractions for X

actually wants to maintain xserver or any X11 tool. Even today, xwayland is the worst part of Wayland to develop because X11 sucks from a technical perspective. It's old, and doesn't make sense anymore as we run everything on the same machine, shared terminals are a thing of the past.

Ask yourself why we still have 1 xserver implementation (after what, 30+ years of it being dominant?), and how Wayland has a plethora of different and compliant implementations[1] and why even the technically-able non-woke compositor developers are developing for Wayland.

Defending bad tech just because it's not woke just makes "not woke" look stupid. Nobody takes Lunduke seriously, and I personally don't either because of this.

XLibre is mostly a meme & is even less secure than X11, the developers aren't competent. If you want a "chud" and anti-DEI windowing system, you can just use Hyprland.

[1]: wlroots (debatable quality), Hyprland's own thing, Smithay. And these are only the Wayland compositor-related libraries/compositors themsevles, Wayland RPC has a lot more implementations because it is a very simple and efficient event-based protocol - even Chromium uses it for communication between tabs and the browser (if I remember correctly. may not be chromium, but you can use it like that).

PS: Fuck GNOME and Freedesktop for impeding the progress of Wayland, their security theater and unwillingness to stabilize Wayland protocols. They are the #1 reason progress is slow.

 

[Jang Joo]

What's the best distros that don't have systemd?

Since Mint seems to be your thing I would recommend Devuan.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

nobody who:

1. Can actually write good code
2. Knows the merits of X11 and Wayland, and the bad parts of both
3. Has actually interacted with the X codebase and has written apps and windowing abstractions for X

actually wants to maintain xserver or any X11 tool.

Take a look who "develops" Xorg. Oh wait, its the Wayland guys!
There cannot possibly be a conflict of interest there!

Ask yourself why we still have 1 xserver implementation (after what, 30+ years of it being dominant?), and how Wayland has a plethora of different and compliant implementations

The plethora of different Wayland implementations is not a good thing, and I'm tired of pretending it is.
Try taking a screenshot in Wayland. In KDE, only Spectacle works. In Gnome, only gnome-screenshot works. If you don't like it, tough shit!
Other programs like grim/slurp you may want to try only work on wlroots.

Having millions of implementations wouldn't be a deal breaker if basic things like screenshots and keyboard input were part of base Wayland (like how everything basic is in X), but these have been rejected time and time again because it would make Wayland "too similar to X".
Funnily enough if everyone standardised on a single Wayland implementation way back then, X would probably be long in the grave by now. But that's not happening.
Every time a Wayland shill says X is dead, X lives for another day.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Xorg had a handful of CVEs handled late last year, it can be tracked on Distrowatch of all places.

It never died and never will die, short of a total tech-apocalypse that wipes everything out equally.

 

[volatile puar]

Never forget that X11 was too difficult to develop or maintain, so Redhat maintained it for 20 years because even in their opinion Wayland was too shitty to force onto people (why didn't they just finish Wayland, or put a display server in SystemD if that wasn't an option )

 

[Betonhaus]

how difficult would it be for Xlibre to implement a system where you can run a docker image on your server with 128GB of ram and a powerful Tegra GPU to do 3d rendering or something, and basically use an app that you interact with using your laptop? or are all the bits basically there and you just need a mod for Blender and such?

 

[teriyakiburns]

I put MX on a 2017 macbook that I had to buy for a contract two years ago. Who wants to touch me?

SOMEONE TOUCH ME DAMMIT!!

 

[Betonhaus]

I put MX on a 2017 macbook that I had to buy for a contract two years ago. Who wants to touch me?

SOMEONE TOUCH ME DAMMIT!!

apparently you can break the screen on the latest macbooks just by putting a piece of paper on the keyboard and closing it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

apparently you can break the screen on the latest macbooks just by putting a piece of paper on the keyboard and closing it.

Given they previously invented a keyboard that would break if it got dust under the key caps, this does not surprise me in the least. Apple hardware peaked in 2009.

 

[volatile puar]

Given they previously invented a keyboard that would break if it got dust under the key caps, this does not surprise me in the least. Apple hardware peaked in 2009.

I actually had a 2015 Macbook Pro back in the day and the only problem I ever had with the keyboard (besides being really shitty) was that a keycap came loose, so they weren't as flimsy as people say. Used it heavily for years and only replaced it after the battery died, although it became very aggravating to use for various reasons.

 

[Vesperus]

how difficult would it be for Xlibre to implement a system where you can run a docker image on your server with 128GB of ram and a powerful Tegra GPU to do 3d rendering or something, and basically use an app that you interact with using your laptop? or are all the bits basically there and you just need a mod for Blender and such?

It sounds like you're talking about ssh -X?
Yes, you can do that. I've not done it for years, but if you Google "X11 forwarding" there's sundry guides on setting it up.
(Incidentally, this is one of the things Wayland refuse to implement because apparently you don't really want to do that.)

 

[Betonhaus]

It sounds like you're talking about ssh -X?
Yes, you can do that. I've not done it for years, but if you Google "X11 forwarding" there's sundry guides on setting it up.
(Incidentally, this is one of the things Wayland refuse to implement because apparently you don't really want to do that.)

Is it possible to set up a shortcut in Cinnamon that runs that command, and otherwise is like a normal app in the app menu?

 

[DavidS877]

Yes, you can do that. I've not done it for years, but if you Google "X11 forwarding" there's sundry guides on setting it up.

I did it last week. Needed to quickly run VS Code from my desktop on my Pi semi-dumb-terminal in the garage to recompile some code with Platform IO. "ssh -X desktop code" and done. And way faster than recompiling on the pi.

 

[volatile puar]

I did it last week. Needed to quickly run VS Code from my desktop on my Pi semi-dumb-terminal in the garage to recompile some code with Platform IO. "ssh -X desktop code" and done. And way faster than recompiling on the pi.

I wonder if that would be a good way of turning something like that shitty Microsoft computer from the MattKC video I posted into a real monitor or if it would be too laggy.