2025 Israel vs Iran War

Catch The Rainbow said:
Brown logic. Reserves who are not on duty are civilians according to Geneva conventions.
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Israel signed but hasn't ratified the first and second protocol of convention - protection of civs.
Regardless, Israel shouldn't build missile and military bases as well as tunnels in middle of populated areas. They are perfectly valid targets.
Geneva convention really doesn't apply if you are defending yourself. You can defend with any means necessary.
Lats of Peace said:
This is the person calling you brown on KiwiFarms
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They come pre-baked.
 
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According to Channel 13:
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Hatter said:
Seriously, Iran only managed to hit some apartments and houses? Thats it?
What is Irans actual gameplan here?
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Israel does not have free speech and censors missile impacts. You’ll only ever see those in residential areas because that’s where people can film them with their phones. A Fox News reporter who filmed footage of the damage the IDF HQ took was pushed away by military police.

We know for a fact that Iran hit amongst other targets, IDF HQ and a major port. They also appear to be targeting air defenses, which are mostly in civilian areas. It makes sense to place them there and there’s really no other option to defend the cities, but using Israeli logic, it’s the civilians’ fault if they get hurt because they should have moved away from military infrastructure.

Israeli propagandists have a vested interest in playing up civilian casualties and downplaying military ones.
 
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quaawaa said:
Israel does not have free speech and censors missile impacts.
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every country does this, it’s retarded to provide BDA and intelligence to your enemy through people uploading shit on social media, it kind of irks me when people claim it’s only for censorship/propaganda reasons
 
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Looks like this is about nothing. Very few buildings and is just storage for missiles. I really thought it was something like fort bragg or something.
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Catch The Rainbow said:
Where's the dictatorship?
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woc_krava said:
Regarding the EAM, can anybody speculate what sort of encryption algorithm they might use? I can't imagine it being anything other than a one-time pad combined with something else, since it is theoretically and practically unbreakable, but the logistics of maintaining the key across so many vessels would be incredibly difficult. I don't know.
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It is one time code that is cycled and disposed daily. You have different codes for nothing burger and immediate attack tied to the strategy plans as well as choice of strategy and status and readiness levels. Code isn't even encrypted (or wasn't 10 years ago).
Other daily coms are pretty regular and nothing special. Just satelite links.
Catch The Rainbow said:
ok please explain to me how iran can build more BMs when Israel took out the planetary mixers they used to mix solid fuel for the boosters
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You know a mixer isn't really anything special and solid rocket fuel is cheap to make. It's just oxidizer (ammonium/sodium perchlorate) + fuel.
This crap is then heated up till it is molten and poured into a rocket.
Lats of Peace said:
Descendant from the Land of Israel one moment, proper European huwhites another moment.
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It is actually even funnier as they destroyed russia as well and had to flee to israel. They can't claim land as they haven't even lived there.
 
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There can not possibly be a nuclear deal, Iran knows this. Trump would, does, has and is reneging on deals and trade at every turn, so how could you possibly take him at his word, even if a treaty was signed? You just can not plain and simple.

The world is shrinking for Iran, and they are effectively cornered. Their only option is to allow Israel to escalate and drag other countries into a regional war, because by itself Iran is dead in the water, it must - if it wishes to exist much longer - literally work with Israel to see them both drag other countries kicking and screaming into a regional war because neither side can win without outside help.

The USA providing the weapons and shooting down missiles from Iran is correctly and factually robust material assistance to Israel's attacks. If Iran is hoping to not ignite a regional war in the hope of obtaining a nuclear deterrent before it does so, then it has fallen into a trap.

But it's only way out now is to now rescind the Fatwa declaration by Ali Khamenei that bans nuclear weapons, and obtain several quickly, and given their technology these would be dirty atomics in the 10-30 kt range. If they are smart, they have enriched the uranium to a near-enough quality, but merely haven't assembled them due to the Fatwa declaration and can do so quickly.

I don't think Iran gets a second bite of the apple with what it looks like Israel is doing - which is right now disabling them beyond recovery. It is atomics or bust. If they try for a peace deal or treaty, it really shows they are high on their own supply.
 
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quaawaa said:
Israel does not have free speech and censors missile impacts. You’ll only ever see those in residential areas because that’s where people can film them with their phones. A Fox News reporter who filmed footage of the damage the IDF HQ took was pushed away by military police.

We know for a fact that Iran hit amongst other targets, IDF HQ and a major port. They also appear to be targeting air defenses, which are mostly in civilian areas. It makes sense to place them there and there’s really no other option to defend the cities, but using Israeli logic, it’s the civilians’ fault if they get hurt because they should have moved away from military infrastructure.

Israeli propagandists have a vested interest in playing up civilian casualties and downplaying military ones.
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Pretty sure Israel has more freedom of speech than the majority of current day western countries, not that it's a high bar. Nevermind that military censorship is usually not included in freedom of speech anyways.

Also lol:
> Enemies target civilian population.
> Putting air defences nearby to protect civilians.
> It's the civilians fault they have air defences near them.

Nigger logic. Nevermind that Iranian missiles have worse accuracy than 40 year old missiles did.
 
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Welfare Bum said:
I'm gonna make a prediction. Feel free to dunk on me if this doesn't happen. But by next Sunday at the latest, there will be a ceasefire brokered between Israel and Iran through a mediator, either Russia or America.
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Alternative but in the same vein: No "official" ceasefire, but both will claim to have achieved their objectives and they stop flinging shit at each other. There was no official declaration of anything on either end just spicy rhetoric and use of the word "operation" so there's no table to gather 'round to sign a treaty over. This is essentially a 2-way Operation True Promise II so I'm imagining it'll end in much the same way where it just... stops. Prime difference here being the multi-day factor of these strikes.

Israel can use the threat of possible Iranian retaliation for some nebulous end (US Aid (I'm picturing a large package for Iranian damage rendered similar to the 17.9 billion after Oct 7), Netanyahu's position in government and odds of winning next election, etcetera) whilst Iran can use the "unprovoked" nature of this attack to solidify government authority and so on, maybe use it to help make other countries distance themselves even further from Israel rather than the inching towards neutrality/cordiality (like the Saudis). Maybe Iran can get an aid package of their own or something from China/Russia (very unlikely).

This is all reliant on nobody else getting involved though. I'm reluctant to say it won't happen even though the US has said they won't get involved, because we have recent precedent of lies being employed to hide true intentions.
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Earthly Treasures said:
I like that part where people pretend that Iran has not actively been meddling with Israel via proxies and is not violently crushing domestic dissent at home. Iran is not the victim here and not a good guy. It earned those strikes the same way Israel earned the retaliation. Screw them both for different reasons.
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Iranians never sent entire africa to europe and america. For a conflict in ME I couldn't care less, but seeing a negro arab breathe in the same supermarket I'm buying food is where I draw the line.
 
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Dawdler said:
Iranians never sent entire africa to europe and america. For a conflict in ME I couldn't care less, but seeing a negro arab breathe in the same supermarket I'm buying food is where I draw the line.
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Exactly. Every moron here rooting for Israel and calling Persians durka durka or whatever, everyone that isn't Jewish, is rooting for more mass migration and refugees from the Muslim countries they hate. Israelis want them as far as fucking away from them as possible, which means your backyard, white man. Grapple with that before you cheer on your replacement.
 
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