2025 Israel vs Iran War

[>IMPLYING]

Besides european jewish refugees, ex-soviet jews fleeing poverty and expelled arab jews did any other jews move to israel?

I meant it more or less stopped them moving about. Jews in general stopped migrating everywhere and anywhere, remaining rather static.
As for the question of Jews moving to Israel, here's a handy table (thumbnailed as not to annoy a certain someone) but pre-1980, a lot of Eastern (not Russian) European Jews moved there, and with a chunk from West Europe.

Marxists

There's a quasi-religious aspect to Marxism due to it's ultimately utopian nature. Present-suffering doesn't matter if so long you get to see the day true communism is achieved, the state is dismantled, and you're given your plot of land and you're free to do as you choose. This is probably the mindset of Western Marxist "converts" (intentional word choice).
Marxism, achieved to its fullest extent, comes ultimate freedom.

For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic.

― Karl Marx, The German Ideology / Theses on Feuerbach / Introduction to the Critique of Political Economy
(This is where the "What will do when communism is achieved?" "Painter!" thing comes from in essence)
What I meant by Marxists not caring for where they live is meant more in the sense they feel no connection to where they live. Tradition/history/culture doesn't matter because it's all built with the intent to oppress, it is an evil by the bourgeoisie (and the aristocracy before them) to main control over the masses and advance their own personal material condition. Everything that has been done (laws, system of government, the roles of people in society) is all in facilitation of one thing: oppression. Doesn't matter if it's America, or Israel, the existence of the state is anathema to good because the state is designed to oppress. That's the basic summary of Marxist though.

Quite the contrary its thanks to the jews elsewhere lobbying for israel that keep that state from being labelled a rogue nation not unlike north korea. Could also be argued that more liberal jews who believe israel should exist just not at the expense of other countries and condemn the atrocities are what keeps most people from thinking israelies/jews are the nazis of the middle east, just like the assyrians once were.

Jews only lobby in one country for Israel: America. Their influence everywhere else is just an indirect result of America's influence everywhere else consequently. If America decided Israel needed to be wiped off the face of the Earth tomorrow, Europe would condemn such rhetoric before doing nothing to stop it. That's admittedly just hyperbole. A demotion of Israel in American strategic interests and removal from the NATO "friends" list would render Israel like any other state in the Middle East for the most part. Israel also never outright initiated conflict with anyone prior to the 80s, which doesn't give it enough consistent precedent to label it a rogue state. To become a rogue state Israel would first need to consistently make threats towards its neighbours (which it doesn't do) in conjunction to violating international law (how you feel about Palestinians and other circumstances might have you go one way or the other here).

Liberal Jews not in Israel also constantly bemoan the colloquial "atrocities", they tend not to go as far as saying Israel needs to be destroyed and the Jews eradicated.

Israel is essentially just the Congo of the Middle East, with as many divided and messy sides in a conflict. They're just important enough to America to constantly be a main target of focus. It doesn't help that, alongside AIPAC giving money to keep people positive and helpful, it's a relatively easy gig for a US politician to say "I love Israel" / kiss the wailing wall and get given 200k+ in donations from AIPAC. American politicians and the parties themselves benefit from the existence of AIPAC, much the same way Israel being under threat in a similar vein benefits them via aid which sort've subsidises the armoury of the Israeli army (as well as enrich American arm manufactures, who said aid has to be mostly used on.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

You miss my point. He states that Israel is threatening other countries with the Samson option. You have to acknowledge that you have nukes to threaten other countries with it.

the samson option is an implicit threat, not an explicit one, so it's not something you'd be saying out loud. it's an unspoken threat, whether it's known or not. i still don't think they'll do that, but the samson option doesn't exist for them to say "shut up or we'll NUKE YOU, SANDNIGGY!" it exists to silently sit in the back of everybody's heads as a reminder that they have to tread lighter. pakistan has already outright confirmed they will not use nuclear weapons even if israel uses them on iran, which tells me that pakistan doesn't want to interact with the nuclear element of this war. they believe in the samson response, or just regular ol' MAD, so clearly the nuclear option is believable to regional powers.

 

[Dawdler]

What kind of missiles does Iran have? Do they use SCUD knockoffs or do they have any (relatively) new weapons?

Recently developed hypersonics Fattah-1

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

What kind of missiles does Iran have? Do they use SCUD knockoffs or do they have any (relatively) new weapons?

They have some relatively new stuff, but of course we don't know how many of them Iran actually has, for all we know Iran already blew through a very sizable amount of their missiles actually worth a damn over the past couple days.

 

[Judge Holden]

In this passage, Maimonides isn't saying that he thinks any gentile who reads the Bible should be killed. Rather, he's saying that gentiles who attempt to take on all 613 mitzvot, or to police others' observance of the mitzvot, usurp the place of the Jewish community, which is tied to the mitzvot by its covenant with God. "Obligated to die" is a formulaic expression referring to the severest penalty a Jewish court could impose. In essence, what Maimonides is arguing here is that a gentile who takes it upon himself to "be Jewish" without actually converting undermines the unique status of the Jewish nation and threatens to throw (what was then) the Jewish legal system into disarray.

Obviously, Jews don't murder gentiles who study the Bible. Every shul I've ever been to has some sort of Torah study program that doesn't bar gentiles from participating. This should be a clue that you've erred in interpreting the text.

Anyway, all of this is Maimonides' opinion. Hopefully you're aware that, although Maimonides is a revered and influential figure, his words aren't as authoritative as the Bible. And there do exist contrary opinions in Jewish tradition; in the Talmud, Rabbi Meir argues that a gentile who studies Torah should be regarded as a High Priest.

I'm afraid that by citing the actual source and context you have fallen for his well laid trap.

Now he shall retort with the masterstroke that is "Nuh-uh..."

They have some relatively new stuff, but of course we don't know how many of them Iran actually has, for all we know Iran already blew through a very sizable amount of their missiles actually worth a damn over the past couple days.

And furthermore, how much of the new stuff was "loaned" to russia over the past couple years?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

What kind of missiles does Iran have? Do they use SCUD knockoffs or do they have any (relatively) new weapons?

pretty much all homegrown weapons

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The Kuzari is not part of the Jewish Canon, it's an apologetic work written in 1140 describing the debate between the Jews/Muslims/Christians in order to convert the King of the Khazars to their religion.

Who are the Amalekites?

An ancient tribe that no longer exists who attacked the Jews first and who Jews are commanded to genocide. It explicitly only refers to that tribe

Do you ever wonder where they placed them?

in silos? where else?

Yeah that's a Jewish guy who violated Shabbat and was killed for it. Nothing to do with nonJews.

And who amongst you can say that the Talmud, or Rambam's words are the correct interpretation?

I can't but I can tell you that you're certainly wrong since you don't even know the basics.

Israeli attack on Fordow nuclear site, Army's air defense actively engaged.

Iran reports on an assault at the Prachin nuclear facility

 

[Glowie]

Hezbollah channel (((notices))) a worrying trend:
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Hezbollah can't hit targets or get their chink missiles to hit anything. CCP is mighty embarrassed to see how real world test of their weapons failed miserably against modern western weapon and Israel's iron dome.
Fun fact Iran bought bunch of J 20s to fight Against Israeli planes and attempt bombings.

Nothing workers from malfunctions from get go or getting shot to shit by more potent weapons CCP shills are blaming that Iranians can't use Chinese weaponry properly as an excuse.

Why does matter? Since Iran can't defend against Israeli Air Strikes due to shit weapons and lack of iron dome defense, Iran can't defend their shit worth shit.
(Also Iranian government doesn't have mandatory evacuation training for civilians unlike Israel)

 

[Vertigo]

The coffin of the slain Revolutionary Guards commander, Hossein Salami

Source

 

[Vertigo]

Syrian President: Syrian skies are open to intercepting Iranian missiles. Source

This may give Israel more time to intercept the missiles, so that's good. Thank Al-Sharaa.

 

[Dr Cruel]

>extremely loud "we will destroy the capitalist imperialist pigdog americans" rhetoric for 50 years straight

75 years straight. They started this shit in 1950 with the ful connivance of Stalin.

>acts as an organized crime syndicate to the detriment of other nations

Socialism in action. Counterfeiting capita of the world. Their patrons are openly shipping fentanyl to the US.

>non stop threats and saber rattling (while claiming victimhood)

Nothing at all unusual for Left fascists. "Looting is femme as fuck" etc.

>the state blackmails random foreign politicians (mainly American)

Remember Dennis Kucinich? Looked more like simping to me, especially in the early 1990s.

>the state runs espionage operations to acquire foreign resources and technical data.

Once again, this is just standard Internazi SOP.

North Korea has attacked less countries than Israel.

You've got to be kidding.

"My clients are the wronged parties here, Your Honor. The plaintiff was the aggressor, and I can prove it."

"The plaintiff is 14 years old. Aren't you representing eight adult male defendants who gang raped her?"

"She fought all eight. That makes her eight times more violent than my clients, Your Honor."

Only jews for some reason "deserve" to have a land of their own and yet look at the shitshow it has brought us.

Yeah. No problems like that in Tibet, or Nicaragua, or Vietnam, or Cambodia.

Go look up FRETILIN in East Timor to see Left fascists arguing out of the other side of their mouths.



The reason we're arguing about Jews is because they aren't all dead yet. Socialists are mad about it.

We really need to start treating socialists like they treat everyone else.

 

[NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C]

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Speaking of /pol/ I find it interesting. At the same time, Indians started turning on Israel. Ukraine Aligning themselves with Israel knowing this will cause Reddit and western leftists to turn on them. Which is already the case on Reddit. Which means Ukraine, like Israel, is now banking on neocons and MAGA for long-term political support. Pajeets not liking the Jews is a big WIN for Israel.

When you ally for 50 years announces you as a rival for no fucking reason in EU4 lol.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Guess who's back...

 

[Dirty Harry]

The way the Mossad was able to infiltrate Iran's inner security is just amazing. They have to be recruiting native Persians to do this because you figure they would detect foreign accents in speaking Persian. I wonder how much of Iran's nuclear research are Mossad agents???

 

[74164978231]

It requires only 80% purity. However, with no Pu contaminants, so that means fuel straight from earth and not old reactors.
Allegedly it was doable with 60% purity but it would require a significant mass increase and mandatory use of tungsten or DU reflectors.

99% of mined uranium is U238. You want to build a gun type even with minimal U235 it will still require industrial scale refining.

You arent easily hiding or putting the enrichment facilities underground.

 

[Mad_Dog]

I'm afraid that by citing the actual source and context you have fallen for his well laid trap.

Now he shall retort with the masterstroke that is "Nuh-uh..."

"Let me explain how 'they deserve to die' actually means they don't deserve to die"
Does anyone still fall for this low-tier pilpul?

 

[cybertoaster]

I wonder if she's gonna see combat.

however the danger of dirty bombs is overblown in the public consciousness

The danger of some nobody building a dirty bomb is low, but the only thing stopping iran from doing it is is retaliation, they have the means. If the regime were to go to shit they might decide to anhero and launch them...

Look how they managed to tidy up Fukushima

Barely and it was hardly as polluted as chernobyl, and this would be that on a much bigger area.

es. Significant groups of Persian Jews

Counts as the displaced arab jews as they were also expelled.

Ethiopian Jews, and Latin American Jews

Economic migrants like the ex-soviet ones, doubt living in an overpriced militarized desert was their first choice, more like the only one.

OK, maybe we deserve an Iranian nuke after all.
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>bombs falls in the middle of an orgy
>they are all buried under the rubble
>centuries later some archeologists unearth them
>"We discovered a group of valiant men who died in war together as brothers" is what they interpret it as

This is probably the mindset of Western Marxist "converts" (intentional word choice).

You're being too generous by thinking these neomarxists have actually read any theory or anything by marx, most just watch other retards like turksanabi and just repeat memes.

they tend not to go as far as saying Israel needs to be destroyed and the Jews eradicated.

Why would they?

 

[Historical Strelkov]

For instance, the Nazis or Hamas might be regarded in a metaphorical sense as modern-day Amalekites.

Then who is not?

Syrian President: Syrian skies are open to intercepting Iranian missiles. Source

This may give Israel more time to intercept the missiles, so that's good. Thank Al-Sharaa.

"Thank you Al-Nusra man, you are my best friend"

This passage does not argue that Jews are a "Master Race."

?

"The plaintiff is a 14 years old. Aren't you representing eight adult male defendants who gang raped her?"

"We dindu nuffin, we were a 14 year old girl being raped"


The closer you look, the more absurd the explanations.
I refer you to this.


Thank you for allowing me to engage in rabbinic polemics.
Usually the gentiles are kept in the dark about this.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I am guessing Iran is running out of WORKING ballistic missile....

And now Syria is going to work for the Jews?

Holy shit man. Shia fags should start looking for exit NOW.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

yes it does.
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You mean the fake ones that are placed there so that whenever they're reposted one can say "this is not true?"
While many ideas of the "sages" are put forward in Mishneh Torah? Why would i mislead people?

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Who are the Amalekites?

"It's illegal to acknowledge"
4 Israeli leaders since 1974 and Jimmy Carter admitted that Israel has nukes.
Do you ever wonder where they placed them?

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And who amongst you can say that the Talmud, or Rambam's words are the correct interpretation?

Nigger there are a billion threads where you can sperg your poltard ramblings. We get it, you're dented and hate Jews. Do you have any information to add about the war which this thread concerns? If not, just go back to pol.

I am guessing Iran is running out of WORKING ballistic missile....

And now Syria is going to work for the Jews?

Holy shit man. Shia fags should start looking for exit NOW.

Well, Iran is the reason that the Syrians had so many problems for decades. They're probably quite happy to let Israel take out Iran's military capacity.