US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[make_it_so]

Highly doubt they let anyone associated with the current regime remain except bureaucrats and maybe some military officers. But the civilian government would be gutted.

You misunderstand - Iran is not a unitary state. The civilian government is a separate branch from the clerical rulers and the IRGC (which is basically the clerics' personal army). which is where I believe the leadership figures are or would be targeted.

 

[>IMPLYING]

"Deep State" (remember, Republicans run all 3 branches of government)

My understanding of the "Deep State" is that it's unelected members of government (or organisations with close ties to individuals within it) who possess disproportionate levels of influence.

Sure, but the reality of Iran is as follows:

-Israel can pound Iran into the sand, take out air defenses, and eventually secure air supremacy, but they simply do not have the ordinance to actually take out Iran's nuclear program, most of which is stored in deep underground bunkers

- The US, in theory, does have this capacity, but Trump at least knows that any loss of American life would be utterly catastrophic politically, making a ground invasion of Iran a non-option.

This points to the current IAF operation being a massive SEAD/DEAD (Suppression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defense) to pave way for US bombers to cruise on in with zero risk of losses.

I'm not even sure if we're even privy to the "reality" of the situation, because it requires either entirely pure ("Iran has nukes for sure!") or entirely malicious ("More dead, goyim - yippee!" [War for MIC for America, war for continued American aid from for Israel]) to justify sustaining this operation for much longer. Prior to the attacks Israel and the US were supposedly in a rift, but then that was supposedly to cover up the attack. They know that they can spread and encourage action IRL just through speculation on their words (or lack thereof) and it could be playing into any number of motives for the strikes to begin with.

I think some officials in the US want a war, or deeper US involvement, but the reality as we see (lack of Iranian attacks on US assets/bases) isn't enabling them. Rubio gave one explicit directive for Iran to follow: "Don't attack Americans or American interests." (Technically if American had "interests" in any number of bombed targets then, facetiously, they've justified an American response - I hate politicians)) Iran has yet to violate it so the impetus of revenge isn't there.

One possible angle of Trump's tweets if he isn't just having one of his "moments" (saying shit for the sake of saying it) and he's trying to legitimise some sort of involvement through fear mongering, then that'd probably be because they were already planning on involving themselves soon anyway, and he needs to make it look like it's not coming completely out of nowhere when they do (the UK moving its jets to the middle east is still in my head). It's also entirely possible, since we have the aforementioned precedent of intentional media manipulation to cover an attack, that this series of tweets was an attempt to sow chaos in Tehran. Doesn't need to be for any particular reason, but extra instability in Iran technically benefits both Israel and the US, and if he can do that for free using a tweet, why not?


If America starts bombing I fully expect my government to get involved; 4% of the local population but 64% of the child rapes isn't pertinent enough for get in the way of Operation Ajax II.

I had some theories for why Israel did this to begin with in the Israel thread.

Spoiler: Some theories on why Israel initiated the strikes (beside the obvious)

My personal list of theories (not in particular order):
1. To keep Iran angry: Angry Iran is a threat -> a threat towards Israel justifies substantial aid payments -> an Iran tamed by America isn't a threat at all (cessation of nuclear stuff + proxy funding) -> ergo keep Iran (and its people) angry to keep them a threat. (Ending Iranian nuclear capabilities - if such capabilities are genuine - would also be a nice bonus)

2. Regime collapse: Iran is a threat under current Ayatollah -> collapsing regime stops them being a threat -> ergo Israel has one fewer threat in the region (Americans would also be interested in removing them for security reasons too and giving Russia/China one less ally in Middle East) (Also gives Israel a "moral" motive/incentive to launch these strikes to begin with, earnest or cynical motivations up to you)

3. Bibi politicking: Netanyahu's position is tenuous -> people being afraid is a good way to stop people rocking the boat electorally -> looming threat of Iran helps his electoral chances in 2026 / alternatively ending the Iranian threat will do the same thing too, "Oy gevalt, I beat Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah! Who the fuck are you? No talent!" (Similar to a president/party involving themselves in a war or initiating one for entirely selfish reasons. Has precedent in other countries, so Israel shouldn't be immune.)

4. USA using Israel as a beat stick/proxy: Israel is local power without the best reputation in the region -> America is trying to make inroads into Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar -> discover credible evidence that Iran is close to nuclear weapons capability, but attacking within the window of negotiation (60 day window Trump spoke about) is bad optics and risks harming progress made thus far -> instead facilitate and arm Israel to carry out such a mission without staining your own reputation in the process, whilst also keeping the window open for Iranian negotiation in the future. Also lets you take out multiple targets of strategic value and generally weaken one of the more openly hostile powers in the region.

5. Simple: Israel discovered Iranian nuclear capabilities were within unacceptable timeframe of completion -> attacked to further stretch out this window if not cripple it entirely (Effectiveness may or may not be dependent on US help) -> aggression justified because they've been at war with Iran for years technically via proxies.

Spoiler: List of factors to consider (Made this at the very beginning)

I can't even begin to untangle the web of every factor involved here and how they interact, and why this might just end up being a nothing burger.
1. Iranian proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis)
2. Palestinians (specifically just those in Gaza)
3. Iranian nukes (whether this is a genuine threat or not I'm not sure)
4. Local rivals (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria)
5. US aid to Israel being tied to Israeli military expenditures (with said aid also being conditional on it being used to purchase US equipment primarily)
6. Iran's proxies (Hezbollah and Hamas) supposedly going through severe degradation.
7. Netanyahu's own position now tenuous.
8. Iran's relative isolation in the Muslim world (Pakistan is their only real friend) and the middle East itself
9. Saudi Arabia's semi-recent discovery uranium in their territory and their reaffirmed commitment to a nuclear power station in 2023
10. Past precedent of nations lying about the capabilities and reach of an enemy nation to justify war (Iraq)
11. American politicians benefiting from AIPAC donations, and AIPAC's justification for existing being that Israel is under thread, ergo American politicians benefit personally from Israel being under threat
And possibly way more I'm forgetting about.

There's a bunch of plausible explanations for any of this.
1. Personally selfish motivation (Netanyahu's desire to remain the only viable candidate during these troublesome times - there was a vote to dissolve Israel's parliament 3-4 days ago)
2. Pure national self-interest (If Israel isn't under threat, then America and others are less incentivised to give them aid)
3. Iranian Anti-Israel posturing being the result of their isolation (Sunni hate them, but prioritise Muslim vs Jew when push come to shove)
4. Israel's own relative isolation (whilst they have the West by and large, and Jordan (maybe), they'd be on their own largely financially and diplomatically if there wasn't an aggressive military power in their local area)
5. The desire to remove Iranian nuclear capability to shift focus to the Saudis instead
6. Or just to remove the area's last openly hostile power to Israel/America (pragmatically speaking, it'd be 3 birds with 1 stone since it'd isolate Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis financially (though North Korea I.E. China have been aiding them as well)

I'm all in on it lasting 2-5 days.
I made a guess of an end to this and that deadline is tomorrow, it'd be ironic if I predicted a timeframe but to the wrong end: escalation.

 

[Justice Tony]

Well, whatever Trumps decided, it looks like the UK will be joining.
Starmer is desperate for a war, any excuse to draft white boys and come down harder on people's speech. He sucked cock hard to get that deal, considering the US has issues with our retarded speech laws, I was sure it'd take longer. Starmer needs to blot out how much of a failure he is on the domestic front, he'd agree to war. Blair 2.0; this time with less charisma.
I hate Starmer so, so much bros. Sorry for sperg.

I wish a slow and painful death for all of His Majesty's soldiers.

 

[quaawaa]

Remember, only Congress can declare war:

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[TerminalTryHard]

They have old kit and half their command structure is fucking dead. They would be smoked in a ground engagement. Again, air power will do fine.

They would be smoked in a stand up fight, much like the Iraqi army was. Then they dropped their uniforms put on civilian clothes and began planting IEDs, ambushing supply convoys, and taking pot shots from a distance for the next 20 years.

All of this on top of the fact smoking their army in the first place wouldn't be a bloodless endeavor.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

As long as he ends it quickly he'll get praised

It's pretty much the end of MAGA and the country.
Back to the status quo of importing millions of the fags we just bombed out of their homes that want revenge. At least Israel is safe now. Oh wait, the new guy in charge is an even crazier Islamic fundamentalist just like all the other Middle Eastern countries we regime changed (including the current Iranian government)

 

[Lonely khan]

Chicago Mayor Johnson to hand out race-based grants to black residents as slavery reparations:

"Investing in blacks is not a crime"

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Chicago had been run forever with ethnic based mayor's offices. If your Alderman and your mayor were Irish like you, you're gonna get your street paved and your garbage picked up. Cermak and Billindic were good for the eastern European wards, Kelly and Daly for the Irish wards. This trend was bucked with the first black mayor, Harold Washington, who knew that showing any preference to the blacks would spell a quick end to his political career. He instituted a policy of being "fairer than fair" and made efforts to distribute funds equally to all the wards.

Now some 40 years later its back to needing a mayor to look like you to expect help. And it's probably all bluster anyway to get by with offering more spending on housing immigrants, which hasn't been popular with Chicago blacks in the last 5 years.

Remember when you guys used to say that you were voting for Trump because Kamala would get us into another middle east war and Trump was a total dove? Boy, I bet you feel stupid falling for it again and again and again.

Thank God we voted picrel amiright?

this popped up guys......

Both Russia and China have told their citizens to leave Isreal immediately, from 41:00 into the video

 

[Conan]

I'm tired of living in interesting times.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Remember, only Congress can declare war:
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Didn't stop them during Nam.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

No one wants Iran, as is currently, with nukes. We can all agree on that. There is just too much room for something stupid to happen and then we have possible millions dead. (Say Iran "loses" a small device and it somehow gets to NYC or Washington)

You would think that everyone here would want Iran to have nukes. The first thing they would do is glass Israel. After that they would get rolled by the entire rest of the planet and effectively cease to exist as a country long before they manage to attack the United States.

I don't particularly care what happens over there or what any of those countries do to each other as long as we stay the hell out of it. I con't care if we sell all of them weapons if it lets them kill each other faster, just as long as my tax dollars aren't paying for any of it.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

If Trump pulls the trigger over Iran, there goes most of his base.

he'd better hope whatever he does is so effective that it takes out Iran before the end of June, because if this retard starts another prolonged war in the middle east after literally spending half of his campaigns either criticizing bush for getting into Iraq and Afghanistan or boasting about starting no new wars in his 2nd run, he's fucked and so are the republicans in the midterms.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, but how tho? I get it for Israel, but they're literally thousands of miles away, Iran does not have ICBMs (Israel does though, weird), they literally can't touch us with anything but piddly terrorist attacks. I don't think Iran developing a means to strike Israel means that they're gonna hit us with a suitcase nuke next, and something tells me that Iran is more or less cool with its other Muslim neighbors that do business with us, despite them doing business with us.

Israel has nukes and ICBMs as a last-minute "fuck you" made for a hypothetical worst situation: if the Arab world unites against them and bum-rushes them, and the West abandons them. They at least want to make sure everyone dies with them.

Although given that the rest of the Arab world is Muslim, that might not be the deterrent the Israelis think it is. The Muslim rulers fear death, but the average Muslim has been conditioned to accept it. This isn't like Japan where you can threaten to drop a nuke on the Emperor's head and they'll collapse and agree to terms.

 

[WelperHelper99]

They would be smoked in a stand up fight, much like the Iraqi army was. Then they dropped their uniforms put on civilian clothes and began planting IEDs, ambushing supply convoys, and taking pot shots from a distance for the next 20 years.

All of this on top of the fact smoking their army in the first place wouldn't be a bloodless endeavor.

That's why you kill them all the first time. If you're going to prosecute a war, do it fucking right.

 

[azure hours]

How about we declare war on all gay niggers instead. Let's do that.

 

[Endless Torment]

If we do go to war and they would regime change, who would they replace the Ayatollah/old government with?

JonTron will be the new leader.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Trump cutting his meeting with world leaders short to meet with U.S. military in the war room: "Actually we're not doing anything."

What's funny though is that exact thing might end up being what happens.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

I mean the parade was pretty low key, it was more of a series of museum exhibits walking by while the announcer gives brief explanations on what they are showing. It wasn't this massive show of force, because it wasn't supposed to be.

Wow it's almost like it was a historical celebration about the 250th anniversary of the military or something

 

[Space Faring Marsupial]

That sandy shit hole has nothing to do with the US, and the fact that there is any chance at all of us going over there is insane.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

God fucking damnit.

We were fucked both ways in the election I guess niggas.

I. Will. Not. Die. For. Israel.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

JonTron will be the new leader.

"Honey, I know we just had a baby, but you gotta take care of it on your own from now on. I gotta be the new leader of an entire government and nation ONTOP of trying to make new YouTube videos."