The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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I don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 so I decided to bite the bullet and learn Linux, is Mint really the best option for beginners? I'm completely tech-illiterate so anything more than copy-pasting commands is too much for me.
I found Mint to be the most straightforward and reliable. I was hoping to migrate to Solus as it may be a little better, but when i attempted I got a black screen after install I couldn't get rid of, so I'll have to spend a weekend digging into it to see what's happening.
 
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I don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 so I decided to bite the bullet and learn Linux, is Mint really the best option for beginners? I'm completely tech-illiterate so anything more than copy-pasting commands is too much for me.
I'd recommend MX Linux. Comes with a nice, clean, full suite of useful software and you can handle installing new stuff 100% through a graphical interface. Mint is ait, just not my cup of tea.
 
I am still MATI that Gummiboot was sucked into systemd. Why the fuck does systemd (originally just a services layer like Windows has) need a boot loader?
Systemd's goal was Apple's launchd but for Linux from the start. Anybody associated with it and FDO/Redhat is an Apple fanboy in general. Take "use our shit the way we tell you or go fuck yourself". Subtract Jobs, polish, focused hardware via lock-in and dog-eat-dog corporate competition. Add autism, adult daycare atmosphere and HRT. The future of Linux desktop that you're supposed to be excited for by the way.
 
It's only "modular" in the sense that it's split into lumps. They're still dependent on the systemd core and one another, and all rely on the systemd common libs, often for no reason other than because poettering and co wanted them to in order to force the use of systemd. There's literally no reason for device management, user management, or a whole host of other things to be systemd "modules". The only reason they are is because poettering wanted more control.
When I said modular I meant, They are seperate programs. And they don't all need to be used. And they often aren't. And you can still you the normal programs you would use if you weren't running systemd.

like grub instead of systemd-boot. openresolv, unbound, or whatever you want instead of systemd-resolved, cron instead of systemd timers. whatever syslog implementation you want instead of journald, No one even uses run0, and a lot of the other things included. You can disable basically everything extra, that's systemd and replace it with something else. The only things that you can't really without loosing some functionality. Because there isn't really a full featured replacement yet is logind. Which people just rip out and use without systemd on non-systemd distros. and also udev. Really dbus too. though depending on what you are doing that won't matter too much. Really depends there.

The real problem. And why other init systems are losing this. Is because systemd makes things easy for the user, and for developers. For users it's just all there, it tends to just work. They don't need to learn about everything they have to install, and set up to have their system work like they expect. It does some things better than even the alternative init's I like. Like user services. And for developers they get a common interface to work with. If they need to make a service for something, they can just make a systemd one, and their program will work on most systems. If they need something to hand communication they can just have dbus do it, or session handling, they can rely on what logind is doing. It simplifies getting some things working across linux.

What I hate is how much it was forced. Much like the way pulseaudio was forced. And that's why I don't use systemd, I don't even use pipewire or pulseaudio. (really funny how you don't hear people complaining about pulse, but still do for systemd). Pulse was made by them, and they did the exact same thing.

There isn't a real replacement for a lot of the systemd stuff that most users would actually want to use. There is turnstile. But that isn't really completely there yet, consolekit, but I would rather just use elogind at that point. As far as I know there isn't any proper replacement for dbus. And I'm not sure it would even make sense to try at this point.
 
proper replacement for dbus
That's the kicker. Even 'extremist' distros like Obarun have dbus code running inside their wrappers. It is a crying shame that systemd has managed to infect (almost) every single Linux distribution so deeply. AFAIK the only ones that you can run OOTB without ANY sysd shit are Antix, Alpine and Gentoo, and even then you're relegated to WMs. As much as I hate to admit it, the argument that systemd is necessary because it makes the system much more intuitive for more users is not a bad one. I just hate this tendency towards simplicity people have. 'Make life easier' is what leads us to shitboxes like Mac and Windows. I get that its necessary for wider adoption, I just do not like it.
 
That's the kicker. Even 'extremist' distros like Obarun have dbus code running inside their wrappers.
That's because D-Bus wasn't originally a systemd component. It started out as universalised implementation of KDE's DCOP messaging system and was later co-opted by systemd in order to extend its reach.
 
Idk why a canonical project would be considered much better than a redhat one. Same shit. Well except the canonical one is dead. And I'm guessing google is just maintaining their own version of it to use.
 
Horseshit. Normal users want press button, have system wake from sleep. They not care how long cold boot take. ChromeOS not use systemd.
...yeah? That was my whole point, about how ease of use is why systemd creep is so expansive. Fair enough, ChromeOS indeed does not have systemd, but its pretty much a Chrome bootloader / mobile OS stuffed into a laptop chassis. A better comparison would be something like saying Android has no systemd and it is also engineered to be simple and intuitive.
 
...yeah? That was my whole point, about how ease of use is why systemd creep is so expansive. Fair enough, ChromeOS indeed does not have systemd, but its pretty much a Chrome bootloader / mobile OS stuffed into a laptop chassis. A better comparison would be something like saying Android has no systemd and it is also engineered to be simple and intuitive.
no reason any system use systemd. sysvinit good, upstart good. caveman smash lennart poettring egghead, pull off hairpiece, drag corpse around for fun
 
I did post in here before but a small update, I was given a craptop today by someone who was no longer wanting to use it (due to how bad it is) and the specs are pretty awful.

It's an ASUS VivoBook E210M with an Intel Celeron N4020 CPU and 4GB of RAM, which is unfortunately soldered so I can't even attempt to put a spare 8GB stick in it. In fact, the only thing you can even do to upgrade it (looking at teardown videos) is that you can put in a NVMe SSD. Other than that, nothing else you can do, and I don't really see the point in adding one.

It currently has Windows 11 preinstalled on it and you can easily assume how atrocious that it runs on this. Fuck whoever thought of soldered RAM with no extra slots being a good idea. I was given a few suggestions in here for what was to be my main PC but considering how dog shit this laptop is, what can I really use? Should I just install Arch on it?
 
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This but unironically.
lol.webp
No irony here, sir!
It currently has Windows 11 preinstalled on it and you can easily assume how atrocious that it runs on this. Fuck whoever thought of soldered RAM with no extra slots being a good idea. I was given a few suggestions in here for what was to be my main PC but considering how dog shit this laptop is, what can I really use? Should I just install Arch on it?
You should be able to use basically anything that isn't a full fat desktop environment like KDE or Gnome, as long as you don't use too many browser tabs., I'd suggest Devuian with an XFCE desktop myself, keep it simple. You can use Chicago95 to get the most out of the limited screen real estate.
 
I did post in here before but a small update, I was given a craptop today by someone who was no longer wanting to use it (due to how bad it is) and the specs are pretty awful.

It's an ASUS VivoBook E210M with an Intel Celeron N4020 CPU and 4GB of RAM, which is unfortunately soldered so I can't even attempt to put a spare 8GB stick in it. In fact, the only thing you can even do to upgrade it (looking at teardown videos) is that you can put in a NVMe SSD. Other than that, nothing else you can do, and I don't really see the point in adding one.

It currently has Windows 11 preinstalled on it and you can easily assume how atrocious that it runs on this. Fuck whoever thought of soldered RAM with no extra slots being a good idea. I was given a few suggestions in here for what was to be my main PC but considering how dog shit this laptop is, what can I really use? Should I just install Arch on it?
Ah the eternal agony of a Linux techie. You know it's somehow useful but you don't know how, you can't give it away because nobody you know is proficient enough in Linux or can use it and you don't want to throw it away because that's wasteful for something that can be useful if only you can find that specific use case.
 
I'd suggest Devuian with an XFCE desktop myself, keep it simple. You can use Chicago95 to get the most out of the limited screen real estate.
Reminds me, I recently dumped KDE after running away from Wayland and getting back on X, and to make Gentoo easier to manage since KDE is really time consuming to compile (about 10 hours on 16 threads to emerge the basic Plasma environment + dependencies, then every time Qt updates everything KDE needs to be recompiled)
Went with Xfce and Chicago95 and been very happy with it so far.
Looks nicer then standard KDE, bit lighter on system resources too (not as much as you would expect though).
Not going back. And going back to X after leaving it for a while has only made me enjoy using it more, most programs older then a few years actually WORK without issues! I have KeePass Autotype back too which I have missed dearly.
 
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