2025 Israel vs Iran War

Necrosan said:
Could be as simple as them bluffing that they have a nuke nobody knew about and if they attack they might retailiate, etc. Could be them being desperate and flailing as much as they can to earn time to do something.

Would've loved to be a fly in the wall of whatever leadership they have left when they decided to tweet that.
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"We can't do down in a blaze of glory, so we might as well go down in a blaze of cringe."
 
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Welfare Bum said:
Is that supposed to be a picture of Muhammed attacking Khaybar? Isn't drawing Muhammed verbotin in Islam?
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Ali returns to #Khyber with his Zulfiqar
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Its Imam Ali.

he who has thus come/gone said:
Maybe someone with knowledge can explain it to me, but is there a reason Israel doesn't have the capacity and equipment to bomb Fordow? I understand it requires a particular kind of bomb that the US has, but is there a reason Israel could never have made or bought one, and could never have acquired a plane to drop one? Is it just a matter of the US monopolizing a one-of-a-kind weapon? I just feel like, if I were Israel seeing Fordow being made, I would have started a project immediately to make my own bunker buster.
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Long story short, America cucked the Israeli aviation industry (RIP LAVI) and the Israelis only get their planes from the US now. The US is not willing to sell bombers and just to buy a strategic bomber costs hundreds of millions of dollars, let alone maintaining it. Israel doesn't need strategic bombing enough to justify it. They bomb using their multirole fighters.

Israel also cannot test bunkerbusters and while they could technically drop the bomb out of a c130 or mount it under a F15, it's really hard to do. Rather just ask the US to do it.
 
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he who has thus come/gone said:
Very cool. Anything on topic to add to the thread?

Maybe someone with knowledge can explain it to me, but is there a reason Israel doesn't have the capacity and equipment to bomb Fordow? I understand it requires a particular kind of bomb that the US has, but is there a reason Israel could never have made or bought one, and could never have acquired a plane to drop one? Is it just a matter of the US monopolizing a one-of-a-kind weapon? I just feel like, if I were Israel seeing Fordow being made, I would have started a project immediately to make my own bunker buster.
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The only plane authorized to carry it is the B-2. The B-52 can, they've done tests demonstrating that, but the USAF wouldn't want to use a B-52 to drop one unless it had no B-2s available. There is no way Israel is building its own B-2s or B-52s and no way the US is lending any to anyone, these are nuclear-capable strategic bombers
 
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>IMPLYING said:
That's my main issue with those lot. It not only gives near-omnipotence to Jews as a people, but nobody is capable of doing anything because you'll be killed, overthrown, or subverted by the almighty Juden.

Simplifying all the word's problems to a single group might look complex and intelligent on the surface (Illuminati, Bilderburg, Rothschilds, Jews) to make it a valid perspective, but you're actually simplifying the true complexity and interconnectivity of everything to a an absurd degree that you make yourself retarded in the process. Attributing an act to the Jews/Israelis removes the multitude of retards, self-interested peoples and other actors involved to facilitate it. That's not to say Jews/Israel hasn't done shit in its own interest before, but it's not unique to them as a group/people.

Oswald Mosley gave a concise answer to the problem with Jews (and perhaps any other nationality/ethnic/culture using the same idea) way back in 1936.
It's nothing more, and nothing less.
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Can't really create a defence for the number of Jews with their hands in a lot of ideological shit though, that's on them. Maybe seeing yourself as an outsider when you otherwise perfectly blend in just fucks with your brain or something.
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Christians should put the needs of the United States over Christianity, in that case.
 
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he who has thus come/gone said:
Very cool. Anything on topic to add to the thread?

Maybe someone with knowledge can explain it to me, but is there a reason Israel doesn't have the capacity and equipment to bomb Fordow? I understand it requires a particular kind of bomb that the US has, but is there a reason Israel could never have made or bought one, and could never have acquired a plane to drop one? Is it just a matter of the US monopolizing a one-of-a-kind weapon? I just feel like, if I were Israel seeing Fordow being made, I would have started a project immediately to make my own bunker buster.
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Its not so much One-of-a-kind. The GBU-57 deep penetrator (giggity), if you remove the guidance system (and unlike the GBU-37 lacks the cool void detection abilities so nothing to remove there) its not hard to make. There is a hollow steel penetrator and then an exposive charge. Its (again, removing the guidance system) not all that expensive.

But it is heavy and requires extreme heavy lift. Only the largest bombers in the US fleet can drop them, the GBU-57 is too big and heavy for even a C-130 iirc. I don't think Israel has the craft and even if thye did, a cargo plane turned bomber is going to show up distinctly on RADAR and Iran would have hours to get ready - and they'd know where it was going.

Additionally, Fordow is Iran's main nuclear materials handing site. There is almost certain to be some sort of Radiological escape if it is hit. Its expected Iran will not have the ability to clean up. That's some very bad PR and might straing relations if that radiation leaves Iran.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
they could technically drop the bomb out of a c130 or mount it under a F15
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F-15 max loadout is 23,000 pounds, a GBU-57 weighs 30,000 pounds. A C-130 could carry one but successfully dropping it is a whole different question. The B-2 is the only plane configured to do that, it's not like slap a special hardpoint on the plane, attach a -57 to it, you're good to go
 
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Norwegian Trailer Trash said:
Christians should put the needs of the United States over Christianity, in that case.
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Actually I agree with this. It’s one of the issues I have with organized churches, although I’m not opposed to organized religion, is that the majority of them support mass immigration and oppose nationalism. I’m ok with people being religious but I get annoyed when religious charities bring in foreigners and ignore the plights of the locals.
 
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he who has thus come/gone said:
is there a reason Israel doesn't have the capacity and equipment to bomb Fordow? I understand it requires a particular kind of bomb that the US has, but is there a reason Israel could never have made or bought one, and could never have acquired a plane to drop one?
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My understanding is that the required bombs are extremely heavy, and only the U.S. has a plane (the B2 stealth bomber) capable of carrying the payload.

 
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Iran’s Khojir Garrison Aerospace, a key military and aerospace facility near Tehran, has been hit.

draggs said:
F-15 max loadout is 23,000 pounds, a GBU-57 weighs 30,000 pounds.
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I did the calculations, the max loadout is conservative and doesnt reflect the real capabilities if done correctly. The next wave of Israeli F15EX planes are going to be able to carry GBU 57s
 
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LOL it looks like trump

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Frederica Bernkastel said:
Its weird too because these people aren't even on the chess board, and are so desperate to maintain relevance by chasing the coattails of the anti-war movement. Communists should just mind their own business, and stick to their book clubs.
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It’s interesting how they will complain about republicans being nostalgic for an idealized 50s when their own movement was founded a century prior.
draggs said:
Israel blew up another oil depot near Tehran
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I wonder how this will impact futures.
 
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