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Airstrikes are the new Gunboat Diplomacy, it's the modern take on rolling a battleship or armored cruiser into someone's port and explaining how shit is going to work. Here's some homework, if we're going boots on the ground in Iran, where's the logistical buildup? I'll wait.
Honestly? Probably Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Jews have a religious holiday every week that reads like coughing noises and the US military wouldn't want to deal with the lack of civilian support.
 
Saw this pop up in my news feed. Nippon Steel has finalized the purchase of US Steel, but US Steel will keep its name and headquarters in Pittsburgh and allows the US government to veto certain corporate decisions. It also includes $11 billion in investment for plants here in the US. Seems like a solid win for Trump as it's keeping jobs here and bringing in more investments, which long term could result in more jobs.
THIS is what I voted for. This stuff. Now if it could just not be offset by another sand nigger war we will be back on track.
 
Pakistan is objectively worse than Iran, even their diaspora are much worse than the Persians (look at the UK). They probably tolerate them because the Government also helps fund organizations like terror groups. I don't understand why we keep them as an ally, we have 1 base there and i think thats it.
Pakistan is not strategically important.
 
The problem is: What if it doesn’t work.

What if Irans regime is still intact after a week or two of bombing, and their nuclear sites are still there because they’re buried deep under a mountain?

THAT is why it’s retarded for Trump to get the US involved.
We know where their nuke facility is, we have some idea how deep it's buried, we have enough B2s and bombs to eventually blast down into it, and more importantly underground facilities have to have exits and you can bomb those shut. Although I don't think there's been any B2s sighted moving anywhere, we'd be rotating some to Diego Garcia if we were going to use them to hit Iran.

Obviously, if we don't think we can take that out, no point in actually jumping in. But you don't, in negotiations, take that off the table, that's stupid. You don't toss leverage away, that's retarded, it's in Trump's benefit to have people unsure if he will or won't act. He did this kind of thing the first time around too, but people have short memories I guess.

Anyways, follow the logistics, boots on the ground have a long tail and we built up for Desert Storm for a bit before starting that. Refueling Israeli planes is just kinda meh and the Iranians have been demonstrating their usual level of incompetency, so I doubt we'll actually get involved, unless the Iranians actually kill Americans.
 
The problem is: What if it doesn’t work.

What if Irans regime is still intact after a week or two of bombing, and their nuclear sites are still there because they’re buried deep under a mountain?

THAT is why it’s retarded for Trump to get the US involved.
I think that the most recent actions are a message to Iran that they're on the ropes and ought to capitulate. The alternative is keep getting blown up and face possible regime change from within. Iran's government won't fare well if its people constantly get shelled. The problem is if Iran goes North Korea and digs in. They won't have nukes, but they will always have missiles.
Pakistan is not strategically important.
Three words: rare earth minerals.
 
The military might that existed back in the 90's doesn't exist anymore.
The Europeans gutted themselves way harder for Ukraine than we did and they've been gutting themselves for over a decade and destroyed national pride to better accommodate the rapefugee imports from all the countries we bombed the shit out of.
Fortunately half the Arab countries and Israel in the Region hate Iran. It would be dealt with swiftly.
I think that the most recent actions are a message to Iran that they're on the ropes and ought to capitulate. The alternative is keep getting blown up and face possible regime change from within. Iran's government won't fare well if its people constantly get shelled. The problem is if Iran goes North Korea and digs in. They won't have nukes, but they will always have missiles.

Three words: rare earth minerals.
They are. Why do you think Iran wants to meet at the White House? They know America is Fleece Johnson looking at them like a snack.
 
In another timeline, the Israel-Iran conflict is being negotiated by the joint Presidency/Trans polycule of Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, who invite Netanyahu and the Ayatollah to a local library drag show (as well as into the polycule). The two leaders are so moved by this display of rebellion against the patriarchy that they tearfully embrace each other, and diagnose themselves and their entire countries with gender dysphoria and autism, creating a new pan-middle eastern super state founded upon Jewish and Sharia legalism and backed by our brave and highly gender-diverse Americxn Army.

This is the timeline you could have had, Kiwis. But you were too scared of electing a strong neo-penis having individual who presents as a woman in 2015. It's not too late though, remember to vote D in the upcoming midterms and donate to the Walz/RuPaul 2028 campaign.
 
Honestly? Probably Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Jews have a religious holiday every week that reads like coughing noises and the US military wouldn't want to deal with the lack of civilian support.
We'd already be prepositioning supplies, in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or one of our bases in the region if we were planning on going in on the ground. Same thing with major airstrikes, we'd be rotating B2s to Diego Garcia. Come on, I know some the posters here are autistic enough to enjoy Paradox games, how do your wars for your rightful clay and incest ponies go when you haven't positioned your troops appropriately?
 
The problem is: What if it doesn’t work.
The other problem is: what if it DOES work? And the Iranian regime falls. Then what? Another war torn failed state like Iraq/Libya/Syria/etc that ends up spilling terrorists and refugee's all over. And whats left ends up getting taken over by even worse people... like what has happened every other time we do regime change by bomb.

Iran is a regional problem that really only threatens Israel. It has been 2 weeks away from nuking NYC for the last 40 years. Its not a real threat to the US mainland. Trump is completely retarded for letting the neocons box him in here.

If this continues we get this playbook run again
>USA bombs X
>X bombs a US military base or embassy, kills US personal
>USA bombs the X government
>X becomes a complete lawless shitshow
>Now the USA HAS to go in restore to order on a "peace keeping" mission.
 
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If Best Korea can have nukes then it's okay for Iran.

India and Pakistan both have nukes and the world is still doing okay.

Or even Russia, I think Putin is fine as well.

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North Korea has China to tell them to knock it off. India and Pakistan have stated defensive nuclear deterrence policies and that may not be good enough for you, but it's better than Israel which has made it clear it will use its nukes at its leisure. Pakistani scientists already helped North Korea's program, though, and Iran goes around threatening to destroy everyone it does not like.

Russia doesn't have to do shit. It has something like 5,5000 nukes and they don't have to do anything. "Fuck you, I got mine" is the name of the game.

Also, Israel posting that shit master tier trolling.
 
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