Culture The fertility conversation we’re not having - Our economy isn’t built for the biological clock. But it can be.

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Everyone should have the right to decide if and when they have children. Yet over the past 50 years, the United States has built an economy that increasingly works against fertility — demanding more years in school and longer hours at work for people, especially women, in the years when it is biologically easiest for them to have children, and concentrating wealth and income among those past their reproductive prime.

As a result, American schools and workplaces are particularly ill-suited for supporting those who hope to start families earlier than average.

“If I were to complain about how society ‘has wronged me as a woman,’ it would be that it has treated my limited ‘fertility time’ with extreme disregard,” wrote Ruxandra Teslo, a genomics PhD student, recently on Substack. “At each step of the way I was encouraged to ‘be patient,’ do more training, told that ‘things will figure themselves out,’ even when I wanted and could have speedrun through things.”

The average age of a new mom is now 27.5, up from age 21 in 1970. I had no interest in having kids in my early twenties, but there are certainly reasons others might want that: Fertility decreases with age, and some find it easier to keep up with young children when they themselves are younger and have more energy. Others hope for larger families so may need to start conceiving earlier, or may prioritize making sure their own parents have many years to spend with grandkids.

Of course, discussing reproductive timelines is fraught. Having others invoke the fact that women experience a decline in fertility with age feels intrusive and insensitive. And the conversation is even trickier today, when anti-abortion activists are pushing a conservative pro-baby agenda from the highest echelons of government and the Heritage Foundation is putting out literature blaming falling birth rates on too many people going to graduate school. (The evidence for that is very weak.)

Yet it’s precisely in such moments that progressive leaders should offer clear alternatives that both respect women’s autonomy and ensure people can make less constrained choices.

If mainstream feminism ignores the barriers to early parenthood, the right will be all too eager to fill the void. “If the so-called feminists, as long as they play it by the elite rules, refuse to take seriously what [we] can do to support young families, then the right can move in and say, ‘You might as well give up on your stupid ideas and career aspirations,’” marriage historian Stephanie Coontz told me.

Not everyone wants to become a parent, but most women do still say they wish to have children one day. If we’re serious about reproductive justice, then it’s a mistake to ignore how our schools and workplaces have evolved to be broadly hostile to both fertility and parenthood. Having kids at a younger age is not inherently better — but for those who want to do it, the economy shouldn’t be working against them at every step.

Colleges need to support parents, pregnant students, and prospective parents​

Many women believe, correctly, that college and graduate education are important paths not only for their own financial well-being, but also to afford raising kids in a country that offers so little support to families. The idea that people can just up and abandon higher education to have kids, per the Heritage Foundation, isn’t serious.

“We’ve just done so much to obscure the reality and to make it seem like, oh, moms are asking for too much, or they’re postponing too long, or maybe they shouldn’t be going to school so much,” said Jennifer Glass, a sociologist at University of Texas Austin who studies fertility and gender. “What an idiotic thing to say. The only way that women can get wages that are at all comparable to what’s necessary to raise a family is by getting a college degree.”

Yet the US has built one of the longest, most expensive educational pipelines in the world.

One reason many American students take longer to finish undergraduate degrees (or don’t finish at all) is because of financial pressures that students abroad don’t face.

Nations like Germany, France, and Norway offer free or heavily subsidized university education, while others, including the UK and Australia, have manageable, easily navigable income-based repayment systems. American students are more likely to be juggling multiple jobs alongside coursework, stretching the time to graduation.

The timeline stretches even longer for medical, legal, and doctoral degrees — tacking on years of extra training and credentialing that aren’t required elsewhere.

“There’s been an increase in the number of years of schooling that is totally unnecessary,” Claudia Goldin, a Harvard economist and Nobel Prize winner, told me, pointing to, among other factors, the explosion of post-docs and pre-docs, plus pressure for applicants to acquire some work experience before even beginning their graduate studies.

“I went to graduate school immediately after college, and schools like UChicago and MIT had rules then that if you were there for more than four years, you paid tuition, so that incentivized people to finish,” she said.
When educational timelines keep stretching with no structural support for parenting, the result is predictable: some people delay having children — or abandon those plans entirely.

This isn’t to say there are no parents on university campuses. There are roughly 3 million undergraduates — one in five college students — in the US today who have kids. But student parents are too often rendered invisible because most colleges don’t collect data on them and harbor outdated assumptions about who even seeks higher education.

“Colleges and universities still cater to what is considered ‘traditional students’ — so 18- to 24-year-olds who are getting financial assistance from their parents,” said Jennifer Turner, a sociologist at the Institute for Women’s Policy Research.

Student parents are far less likely to be receiving financial help from their own families than students of the same age and background without kids — and in general they’re more likely to struggle to afford basic needs. But most campuses neglect their unique challenges and fail to provide them with resources like on-campus housing, kid-friendly spaces, and child care support.

The Trump administration’s new budget proposal calls for gutting the only federal program that helps student parents with child care. And while pregnant students are entitled to some federal protections under the Americans with Disabilities Act and Title IX, in practice many students never even learn about them, or face intense stigma for using them.

For graduate students in particular, there’s no shortage of examples of students receiving both implicit and explicit signals to delay childbearing. Research found women were twice as likely as men to cite child care and parenting as reasons for leaving academia.

The financial fears are not irrational​

Whether or not women want to have children in their early or mid-twenties, many feel they can’t — because the career paths they pursue require longer routes to stability.

Women are more often funneled into professions that demand extra time, whether through extended schooling, slower advancement, or the need to earn extra credentials to prove themselves. Many fields where women are concentrated, like education, social work, psychology, and nursing, require graduate training for higher-paying roles. In contrast, men are more likely to enter skilled trades or businesses where higher earnings are possible without advanced degrees.

Goldin, the economist, pointed to the problem of the “rat race equilibrium” — where individuals over-invest accumulating credentials not because doing so is intrinsically valuable, but because everyone else is doing the same. In this situation, falling behind the pack carries high costs.

“People want a great job, so they stay in graduate school ‘too long.’ Firms want the best lawyer, so they keep associates for ‘too long.’ I don’t know what the optimal length is. But I do know that the addition of so many more years means that women will be more discouraged than will men,” she told me.

These extended educational timelines feed directly into jobs that are also not designed to support parenting during a woman’s prime childbearing years. Early-career workers typically earn less, have more precarious roles and rigid schedules, and often face more pressure to be fully available to employers to prove their commitment and worth.

Some then move on to what Goldin calls “greedy careers”: Law firms, consulting companies, and hospitals that demand total availability, rewarding those who can work weekends and penalizing those who seek more predictable schedules. For many parents it’s a double bind: the educational trajectories and high-paying jobs that make raising kids affordable are often the same ones with demands that make balancing family life nearly impossible.

We can structure society differently​

Fertility tech hasn’t yet conquered the biological clock, but we did build this economy — which means we can rebuild it differently.

Advocating for more efficient and more affordable education isn’t a retreat from academic rigor, but a clear-eyed confrontation with institutions that remain indifferent at best to having children. The most forward-thinking places will see that compressed, focused educational paths aren’t diluting standards, but respecting the fullness of human lives and creating systems where intellectual achievement doesn’t demand reproductive sacrifice.

Exactly how to help students manage timelines will vary. For those looking at careers in math and science, for example, there may be opportunities to take advanced courses in high school. Others would benefit from more financial aid, or using experiential learning credit, or enrolling in accelerated BA/MA programs. Some employers should be rethinking their mandates for college degrees at all.

But even with educational reforms, parents would still face legal barriers that other groups don’t. It’s still legal in many cases to discriminate against parents in hiring or housing. Making parents a protected class would be a straightforward step toward making parenthood more compatible with economic security.

Stronger labor regulations could also curb workplace coercion, and policies like those in Scandinavia — which allow parents to reduce their work hours when raising young children — could make it easier to balance kids with holding down a job.

The rise of remote work offers additional paths forward, and expanding it could reduce the stark either/or choices many prospective parents face. And there are other policy ideas that could make parenthood more affordable even when people are early in their career. Other high-income countries offer parents monthly child allowances, baby bonuses, subsidized child care, and paid parental leave. The US could follow suit — and go further — by investing in affordable housing, reducing the cost of college, and decoupling health care from employment.

For now, our current system abdicates responsibility. As Glass points out, while parents are paying more to have children, it’s employers and governments that reap the benefits of those adult workers and taxpayers, without shouldering the decades-long costs of training and raising them.

“What no one wants to face is that 150 years ago, when everyone lived on farms, having children did not make you poor, but they do today,” said Glass. “Children used to benefit their parents, they were part of the dominion of the patriarch, and when children did well the patriarch benefited. Now it’s employers and governments who benefit from well-raised children.”

It’s not feminist to ignore this​

I understand the reluctance to have these conversations. We don’t want the government poking around in our bedrooms, especially when some lawmakers are already on a mission to restrict reproductive freedom. It’s tempting to say policymakers and institutions should just shut up about any further discussion regarding having kids.

But that’s not serving people, either. Many other countries already confront these challenges with much more deliberate care. Honest conversations about fertility don’t need to be about telling women when or whether to have children — they should be about removing the artificial barriers that make it feel impossible to have kids at different stages of life.

This would all certainly be much easier if men stepped up to take these pressures more seriously. “If men felt as compelled as women to take time off, if men were experiencing the same thing, I think we’d get a lot more creative,” said Coontz.

We should continue investing in fertility technology, and expanding access to those options for people who want to delay childbearing or may need help conceiving. But IVF and egg freezing are never going to be the right tools for everyone, and people deserve the support to have children as they study and enter the workforce, too. Biology isn’t destiny, but we shouldn’t ignore it.

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This is by design. The job market, wages, and cost of living in the US are deliberately set up to price people out of having kids. It's a population control measure and it has been ongoing since the 1970s. You have the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Kissinger, and the Club of Rome to thank for this lunacy.
 
This is by design. The job market, wages, and cost of living in the US are deliberately set up to price people out of having kids. It's a population control measure and it has been ongoing since the 1970s. You have the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Kissinger, and the Club of Rome to thank for this lunacy.
I've got you, man
but of course going against any of this is futile because you can't just have women act like women again
they really fucking hate the fact they're women to begin with
 
I've got you, man
but of course going against any of this is futile because you can't just have women act like women again
they really fucking hate the fact they're women to begin with
The Overclass forced women into the workforce specifically to depress wages and bring in more tax revenue. Then, they just buy treasury bonds and let our taxes roll into their pockets while we struggle to make ends meet.
 
This is by design. The job market, wages, and cost of living in the US are deliberately set up to price people out of having kids. It's a population control measure and it has been ongoing since the 1970s. You have the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Kissinger, and the Club of Rome to thank for this lunacy.
population control when historically women worked (In spite of labor being different back then) accross multiple societies?
 
Now that's pure magical thinking to say that deleting much of the workforce will simply cause wages to go up
Okay Jack, whatever you say.
The moment when conservative-adjustment thoughts on demographics stop being a sole delusion that there is a huge swath of men desperately seeking a fertile pussy to pump out babies, we will be closer to forming actual solutions.
Men enjoy fulfilling the biological drive to go balls deep when they blow their loads. Traditionally, very few pregnancies were planned. See how that works?
 
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population control when historically women worked (In spite of labor being different back then) accross multiple societies?
I'm not against women working. What I'm against is both spouses being forced to work full-time jobs to make the equivalent of what should be one income. Who does the childcare? Who takes care of the home? Think about it. Dual-earner households making the median household income cannot afford a full-time nanny. Do we, as a society, honestly expect the vast majority of households to be dual-income, working full-time jobs, leave the kids home alone, and do housekeeping when they're dog-ass tired after a full day's work? What the fuck is that? How do people tolerate this bullshit?
 
What the fuck is that? How do people tolerate this bullshit?
You’re replying to someone who deeply hates the conservative position, even though it is proven to result in higher birth rates, but offers no alternative ‘progressive’ solution. I don’t think you’ll get much but contrarianism.
 
You’re replying to someone who deeply hates the conservative position, even though it is proven to result in higher birth rates, but offers no alternative ‘progressive’ solution. I don’t think you’ll get much but contrarianism.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I did not say women should be obligated to work to the "demon system".
What I disagreed is the idea that they being in the "kitchen" is some sort of perfect perennial state of humanity, lol.
Are you sure?
 
What I disagreed is the idea that they being in the "kitchen" is some sort of perfect perennial state of humanity
Worked fine for 3000+ years until progressives decided it needed to change.

Are you sure?
Sorry, too busy shopping for cheap leather jackets and applying for $1370/day jobs off that totally legit website you shared. Especially love how none of the presented data seems to link directly to any US Government page that holds the data.
 
Do we, as a society, honestly expect the vast majority of households to be dual-income, working full-time jobs, leave the kids home alone, and do housekeeping when they're dog-ass tired after a full day's work? What the fuck is that? How do people tolerate this bullshit?
It is shit. I’m trying to go part time because I’m so knackered. I’ve been doing stuff that means o have long days with a lot of faffing around in the day recently,
They can’t technically deny me i think but they’re taking their sweet time about approving it and muttering about business need and appearances. Like, I’m a drone. I’m not important enough for you to pay me enough, you won’t promote me, but the minute I put holiday in the system or ask to work fewer hours or even just do four ten hour days I’m vital. I am Schrödinger’s employee.
I’ve just had enough. The house is a mess, my standards for housework aren’t high, the house is hygienic and everyone has clean clothes and beds and stuff but the place looks like someone’s tipped it upside down. I’m tired. There has to be a better way than this. The kids are the fun stuff - i don’t want to spend my life slaving away for BigPharma and pay other people to be with my kids. I just want to be with them. Even of o could afford a nanny i wouldnt have one, what’s the point having children and giving them to a nanny ffs? ,
 
The pricing people out of kids argument is no different than admitting that the core problem is the people's sensibilities.

If your reaction to the point that there are third-worlders shitting out kids #9 and #10 in a mudhut with no money to their name every other day, is to recoil in indignance, then you understand the point.

Making the argument that it's somehow materially related is itself the proof of what I said earlier, every couple that doesn't have kids right now could hit the lottery tomorrow and it would not drastically increase the possibility of their decisions for the future to include a new child in their life.

It's an excuse for everybody.
 
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Yet over the past 50 years, the United States has built an economy that increasingly works against fertility — demanding more years in school
I was surprised when I discovered the school leaving age in the US is 18. Where I live, it's 16. I would suggest the effects this has on American society are massively underexplored - a lot of the rhetoric around 18 year olds "still being kids" on social media suddenly slot into place for me. At 18 I'd already been working for nearly two years.
 
Worked fine for 3000+ years until progressives decided it needed to change.
The retard right promoting a 19th century romantized bourgeois ideal as the perennial state of humanity is so ridiculous, even more when so many buy it.
Sorry, too busy shopping for cheap leather jackets and applying for $1370/day jobs off that totally legit website you shared. Especially love how none of the presented data seems to link directly to any US Government page that holds the data.
And what now?
 
The retard right promoting a 19th century romantized bourgeois ideal as the perennial state of humanity is so ridiculous, even more when so many buy it.
Once again, you are just here to criticize the traditionalist perspective and have no ‘progressive’ alternatives of substance.
And what now?
Wages up and interest rates down since January? Sounds like a W to me.
 
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I don’t think women particularly want to be slaves again. I know I wouldn’t fancy that. You’re asking half of humanity to willingly vote for their own enslavement, which isn’t going to happen willingly. I’m sure you wouldn’t vote for it happily go into serf feudal structure.
I don't think the state of women 120 years ago counts as slavery, personally. As you said: men and women compliment eachother, which means inherently in the set up there will be stuff women cannot do, as there things men cannot do.
I keep trying to point this out to people. If you have such a massive outgroup preference that your actively hurting your own, and if you’re emasculating the young men, then the outcome will be that a group with high in group preference who didn’t emasculate their young men will come in and take over.
Stefan Molymeme made the great analogy that it's like a soccer game. One team will pass to anyone. The other only passes to eachother. Who wins the game?
 
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Somehow, I'm beginning to think that the '50s-60s were a lot better than the elites want us to think.
It really makes no sense for a society to take young women in their most fertile years and then expect them to not have babies, and then complain about replacement rates. I'm not suggesting women be baby factories, but you're taking women and telling them to get an education, go to grad school, enter the work force, climb the corporate ladder, and only then have a baby or two, but not stay home to raise said babies.
Oh noes, women might have to do what they did for thousands of years, but it was only a problem for the past 60+ years!

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But oh, I'm sure these urbanite soyjak types would be able to fit in well in a time period where there were no Marvel movies or gay parades. All sarcasm aside, this is why there is a (prominent) trope of the 50's being portrayed as everyone was secretly gay and being beaten by their drunk dad behind closed doors. - Hollyweird is full of people who hate traditional families.
 
The big problem is that any work that isn't monetized isn't seen as real work. 120 years ago, most people lived and worked on farms, providing their own food and selling the surplus. Both men and women worked and were seen as essential contributors. Then farms went away, work inside the home became super easy and looked down on thanks to labor saving devices, and work outside the home was seen as high status and valuable. You can't blame women from wanting to climb the status ladder and earn their own incomes, especially when depending on a man for everything could be a fools bet if said man was an asshole.
 
But it fucked up the job market beyond repair for everyone.
Yes it did, but the ‘how to win the game’ then changes making it a poor move to not work in most circumstances.
When most of rhe other women work you are either family wealth to start (very few) or so beautiful you’ll get snapped up by someone high status (very few.) the average pleb has to work or she faces poverty. Early marriage is no longer the norm, she can’t just sit and wait for someone she has to work. You don’t meet men the old way any more, I’d say most women my age met their men at college or work. So she has to work or she’s disadvantaging herself. If her man turns out to be a bad one amd runs off and she has no job experience she’s going to struggle.
Does all that contribute to the wider problem? Yes it does but our individual woman can’t win by not working
We’ve changed the rules so that the INDIVIDUAL needs to do things that harm the whole, and then of course the whole situation changes rhe choices the individual has to make.

Same for quite a few things.
 
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