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Mormons really are just spiritual jews huh. They try to come off as le based trad conservatives but in reality they're one of the most reptilian and slimy people out there. You expect anything good to come out of the same people that gave us Mitt Romney? They do the same ruleslawyering bs the jews do in order to circumvent their own religious laws; at least libshits are honest about their degeneracy. Not to mention that they are one of the biggest servants of globohomo through their missionary and glowie shenanigans.
Decent Mormons exist, like every other group. And like every other group, you'd never notice them because decent people don't rise to prominence - Only the noisiest motherfuckers.
 
IIRC, everyone state level told these people flat out that no, the abortion law doesn't work that way, taking her off life support isn't abortion, so it's all 100% performative by Emory University Hospital. They're trying to create ill will towards the Abortion law. But whoopsy doodle, the baby survived to term and is now a miracle, so the left is pivoting to some sort of new performative kabuki dance about it.
Latest article on it.
If I were to have the most kind-hearted, good-faith look at it, I'd theorise the hospital used the abortion law as justification to keep the woman alive and in-turn her child alive in an attempt to save it. Purely left up to the family, they would've taken her off life support since she had no chance and the child would've died with her.
An Emory Healthcare spokesperson said its top priorities "continue to be the safety and wellbeing of the patients and families we serve."

"Emory Healthcare uses consensus from clinical experts, medical literature and legal guidance to support our providers as they make medical recommendations," the spokesperson said. "Emory Healthcare is legally required to maintain the confidentiality of the protected health information of our patients, which is why we are unable to comment on individual matters and circumstances.
The "bad PR" for anti-abortion legislation was an unfortunate side effect but they guaranteed that the woman's other son wouldn't lose both his mum and younger brother by taking it out of their hands effectively. It's also still unclear whether they were actually supplied the "no abortions" as a reason for keeping their daughter alive by the university/hospital or they just straight up falsified it because neither the hospital or the university have given that as a reason themselves.
In Georgia, abortions are illegal after six weeks of pregnancy. Exceptions include some situations to protect women’s lives and health, when fetal anomalies are detected and in cases of rape and incest that have been documented with police.

The state Attorney General’s Office said in May that nothing in the LIFE Act “requires medical professionals to keep a woman on life support after brain death,” WXIA reported.

The office said removing a patient from life support “is not an action with the purpose to terminate a pregnancy." But Republican state Sen. Ed Setzler, who sponsored the 2019 law, told The Associated Press that he supported the hospital's actions.

“I think it is completely appropriate that the hospital do what they can to save the life of the child,” he said. “I think this is an unusual circumstance, but I think it highlights the value of innocent human life. I think the hospital is acting appropriately.”

Though to support your argument regarding the Hippocratic oath, another hospital (Northside) probably outright contributed to her death through improper screening and probably gave her some paracetamol for her headaches, thus killing her indirectly.
“[The baby] is expected to be OK,” she told the station. “He’s just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him.”

Smith also has an older son.

Newkirk did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment Tuesday.

She previously told WXIA that the family was required to keep Smith alive under the state’s near-total abortion ban, known as the LIFE Act. Smith, whose family celebrated her 31st birthday Sunday, has been hospitalized since February after she initially sought treatment for severe headaches, her family has said.

Newkirk said Smith initially went to Northside Hospital but was released and given medication. She said the hospital did not run any scans or tests.

Northside did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

A day after she sought treatment, Smith’s boyfriend woke to find her gasping for air and making gargling noises, Newkirk told WXIA. Smith was rushed to Emory Decatur Hospital and transferred to Emory University Hospital, where a CT scan showed multiple blood clots in her brain, the station reported.
 
my favorite back and forth in that verbal beating was when cruz kept calling tucker an antisemite, then denied calling him an antisemite, then said that if he wasnt an antisemite he would like to know what else to call it, which confirms that he was in fact calling him an antisemite. ole teddy really mastered the jew tactic of cowering under pressure and just blindly calling someone an antisemite until the subject changes from whatever they dont want to talk about to how the other person hates jews somehow
I wish people started to call them Christophobic in response. “You just hate Christians and want them to get killed!”
 
Ecological: I haven't really seen anyone in this thread make this point. As much as humans like to pretend that we exist outside of the environment, we do not. We depend on functioning ecosystems just like any other biological entity. As Leopold said, had bluegrass not taken root in the cane-lands of Kentucky, we would not have settled that land when we did. Similarly in the West, if it was not for the snowpack of the Rockies, the Sierra Nevada, the Cascades, or the Wasatch Ranges, we would not be able to live on this side of the Rockies. We depend on functioning ecosystems for drinkable water, arable soil, irrigation in the dry season, and many, many other things. It is an inescapable fact that the more we expand as a species, the more damage we do to these ecosystems that we depend on. That isn't to say humanity should voluntarily go extinct, but mindfulness in our management and occupation of the land is necessary for the long-term survival of our, and many other species. Anyone who denies this is ignorant, willfully or incidentally.
This was precisely my concern reading all the talk about housing in the Rockies. Water scarcity issues are a huge out west. The idea that we can build endless homes in a parched environment to lower prices instead of just... you know... deporting all the shitskins is completely retarded. Reminds me of that meme about how 'the US still has space, you can fit trillions more people if you grind them into a fine dust and store them in silos.' Ideas about expanding population can't completely ignore things like drinking water, sewage, transportation of food if you're settling in a particularly non-arable region. Look at Central Asia for the perfect example of how that shit can go horribly wrong.
 
The exact population of Iran isn't an important issue.
Hard disagree. Memorizing demographics isn't actaully important to staying current on what's going on in Iran. It's more important to know about the terror networks they back throughout the Middle East, like their relationship with Hezbollah.
We expect our military leaders to analyze and understand the cultural and social makeup of a country we may go to war with, but we aren’t supposed to expect the same of the people that order our military to go to war? If you don’t understand the ins and outs of how a country works socially, you’re going to screw the region up more than if you left it alone. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq for a very recent lesson on why this matters. Just because a bunch of people live in the same country doesn’t mean they all like each other, especially in the middle east. Not to mention the sheer number of displaced civilians in a conflict involving Iran. Where are they all going to go? Who’s taking them?

Only an amateur would act aloof about understanding the social and cultural aspects of how a country works when it comes to warfare.
 
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The Ninth Circuit stayed the lower court's decision blocking Trump from federalizing the California National Guard:
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Yep! Pretty much all federal land in the West. That way rich zioboomers and fifty million H1B pajeets can “develop” it.

He thinks this’ll pay off the debt. How much, you ask? Two percent. Two fucking percent.

You want ruralites to violently revolt? This is how you do it. You want to get raped in the midterms? This is how you do it. You want our last pristine land to be (literally) shat upon? This is how you do it!

Words cannot express how much I despise these fucking decrepit cocksucking retards in congress.

>inb4 mati reacts
This chimp out is as justified as it gets
He says selling the land could help expand housing in the region but I'm skeptical of that. The article I linked claims that "the legislation does not require the potential housing built on sold public land to be deemed affordable" which isn't a good sign. Apparently this isn't even the first time a Utah politician on Capitol Hill tried to propose such a thing. One thing for sure though is should Lee succeed in his political goal, the policy that he wants to implement is something that can't be easily undone.
All I know is is that I voted for Mike Lee for this. You try being trapped in a box your whole life. The feds shouldn't have this much control:
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Utah should be for Utahn's. You can still have your parks, your monuments. But I'm done being trapped in that slice of white while the feds run roughshod over MY state.
I wish people started to call them Christophobic in response. “You just hate Christians and want them to get killed!”
It needs to fucking happen.
This was precisely my concern reading all the talk about housing in the Rockies. Water scarcity issues are a huge out west. The idea that we can build endless homes in a parched environment to lower prices instead of just... you know... deporting all the shitskins is completely retarded. Reminds me of that meme about how 'the US still has space, you can fit trillions more people if you grind them into a fine dust and store them in silos.' Ideas about expanding population can't completely ignore things like drinking water, sewage, transportation of food if you're settling in a particularly non-arable region. Look at Central Asia for the perfect example of how that shit can go horribly wrong.
People have lived in the rockies for hundreds, if not thousands of years counting the natives. Yes water is always an issue. There are solutions to these. Remember how Trump opened up the water for California. That could be done for the entire west. There were plans in the 50's for such a project. Would have piped water from Canada into the western half of the US.
 
The thing is, ChatGPT actually has a lot of safety mechanisms to keep it from getting into any kind of "relationship" with others as it's actually pretty retarded, so idk what the fuck this loser did but it must have been an autistic amount of training.
A bit late to this one, but do you suppose it might've been a different model or something working from GPT's API, but he and the news used ChatGPT as sort of a genericized trademark (Kleenex, Trampoline etc) to describe a catchall (or just didn't know the difference themselves) so the lowest common denominator could understand?
 
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You ABSOLUTELY can make Champagne in the Pacific Northwest. Mt. St. Helens blowing up caused the Yakima Valley, for example, to have the EXACT same soil quality and climate as Champaign, France due to all the ash. It's why they've been ripping down Apple orchards by the hectacre and putting in grape vines, it's why you can't buy grapes online and have them shipped to Washington/Oregon/Idaho anymore -- they don't want to risk blight being imported or oddball varieties ruining the specific varieties they're growing commercially.

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Oregon, Washington, Idaho -- they've all been mass swapping away from apples and hops and potatoes for wine grapes pretty much as fast as the wineries and vineyards can support them doing so, and I doubt it'll stop anytime soon. As for Champaign, they literally imported the same grapes and grow them throughout Yakima Valley -- but they can't call it Champagne, so they call it "Sparkling White Wine" while they try and get some cutesy name to stick. Next time you're at Costco look at their wines, they brag about where they're from -- I've been to 6 of them over the past 3 years and 5 of them had Yakima Valley wines in them and the one that didn't had an Oregon wine.
 
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The woman's $64 planner is clearly a generic drop shipped model that she only customizes the cover of. The unit price for bulk blanks is probably $3, but since she's a drop shipper, she probably doesn't buy blanks, or in bulk, which would put her unit price for a small custom notebook order from China at $25-$50.
This is 100% a logistics issue of her trying to minimize risk instead of trying to maximize profits. If she instead purchased blanks in bulk from China for $3 and then outsourced cover printing to a US company for say another $5, and then replaced the blank covers with the custom covers, she would have a $8 unit price, and either have higher profit margins, or could lower costs to chase higher volume.
Let's say she now needed to buy her blanks in America due to high tariffs, and it costs her $5 instead of $3, now she has a $10 unit price. But instead, she's a drop shipper who buys the whole unit for $25-$50 from China, and the tariffs make it now cost $60-120 because she refuses to reduce costs by assembling it herself and sourcing materials elsewhere.
No sympathy for dropshippers,
 
Can't delete the rest of the quote box and didn't mean to even tag it.

As for on-topic, using PDO laws-are they just used for food/drink items? - as comparison to tariffs, think I kinda understand what they were trying to sauget a loose link between in terms of influencing consumer habits and when either elements are stripped back, PDO food/drink have more a status purchase value/attachment from vast alternatives i.e Sparking wine/Champagne while tariffs are more if you don't buy the local "brand". it will cost more, almost like a mirror of what PDO's designed for
 
It’s a meme. Memri TV is an Arabic TV channel that occasionally (frequently) has batshit insane Muslims on saying shit like “tie me to a missile and fire me at Tel Aviv, I am ready” and “By Allah, I shall give you a taste of my shoe”. So 4chan said “hmmm, needs more crazy” and started recaptioning them. The fun comes from guessing which ones are real and which are fake.
This is slightly incorrect. MEMRI TV is the Middle East Media Research Institute, which started after the GWOT to just monitor all the crazy shit that goes on TV over there. Becoming a resource for memes was just natural, yes.
 
The woman's $64 planner is clearly a generic drop shipped model that she only customizes the cover of. The unit price for bulk blanks is probably $3, but since she's a drop shipper, she probably doesn't buy blanks, or in bulk, which would put her unit price for a small custom notebook order from China at $25-$50.
This is 100% a logistics issue of her trying to minimize risk instead of trying to maximize profits. If she instead purchased blanks in bulk from China for $3 and then outsourced cover printing to a US company for say another $5, and then replaced the blank covers with the custom covers, she would have a $8 unit price, and either have higher profit margins, or could lower costs to chase higher volume.
Let's say she now needed to buy her blanks in America due to high tariffs, and it costs her $5 instead of $3, now she has a $10 unit price. But instead, she's a drop shipper who buys the whole unit for $25-$50 from China, and the tariffs make it now cost $60-120 because she refuses to reduce costs by assembling it herself and sourcing materials elsewhere.
No sympathy for dropshippers,
You've had a generation of businessmen and women who've lived through an era of government protections and simplified supply chains and so can't be assed with any meagre complexity.

Even the billionaires of today who got their cash from tech still operate with what are fundamentally simple business premises, since everything they do can largely be done domestically online or an a computer, and if production of goods is required they were still able to get everything they need from China. This affected the technology/electronics boom of the 80s too, since most electronics manufacturing was starting to be based out of Japan (a remnant of this is in back to the future I.E. "all the best stuff's made in Japan") before then moving to China. People attribute Japan's economic decline to a cigarette tax of all things, and not the mass movement of industry to their cheaper Chinese neighbour - I'm beginning to think attributing the blame of economic downturn on anything but the mass movement of industry is a conspiracy theory to keep China blameless and corporate offshoring out of the headlines.

You don't stick together a valuable product domestically anymore since the 80s at least since its just been cheaper to have it done wholesale abroad like you said. Now that there's some actual barriers in the way, anything that might require some actual thought has them scared shitless or deeply confused, like you just asked them how they'd feel if they didn't eat breakfast that morning.

Regarding logistics, I've heard horror stories of shipping base goods (cloth, steel, etcetera) out of China, since they apparently sell shoddy shit to non-Chinese whilst keeping the higher quality stuff for domestic manufacturing, but that's largely anecdotal.
 
People have lived in the rockies for hundreds, if not thousands of years counting the natives.
Small numbers of people.
Yes water is always an issue. There are solutions to these. Remember how Trump opened up the water for California. That could be done for the entire west.
Trump removing that water was a calculated gamble. It's a gamble that imo was worth it as the city was on fire, but it's not like there was an infinite water tap and Trump walked up to it, shrugged, and turned it on, thus cutting the Gordian Knot. If California has a drought year, that decision will have catastrophic consequences. The reservoirs fill when rain is heavy and that water needs to be held for times when water is scarce. It is a limited supply.
There were plans in the 50's for such a project. Would have piped water from Canada into the western half of the US.
I think it would be the height of idiocy to fuel a population boom in the West by sourcing water from a foreign country. You're putting a gun to your head and giving them control of the trigger. One of the big things that the US has going for it is the capacity for self-sufficiency.

ou ABSOLUTELY can make Champagne in the Pacific Northwest. Mt. St. Helens blowing up caused the Yakima Valley, for example, to have the EXACT same soil quality and climate as Champaign, France due to all the ash. It's why they've been ripping down Apple orchards by the hectacre and putting in grape vines, it's why you can't buy grapes online and have them shipped to Washington/Oregon/Idaho anymore -- they don't want to risk blight being imported or oddball varieties ruining the specific varieties they're growing commercially.

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Oregon, Washington, Idaho -- they've all been mass swapping away from apples and hops and potatoes for wine grapes pretty much as fast as the wineries and vineyards can support them doing so, and I doubt it'll stop anytime soon. As for Champaign, they literally imported the same grapes and grow them throughout Yakima Valley -- but they can't call it Champagne, so they call it "Sparkling White Wine" while they try and get some cutesy name to stick. Next time you're at Costco look at their wines, they brag about where they're from -- I've been to 6 of them over the past 3 years and 5 of them had Yakima Valley wines in them and the one that didn't had an Oregon wine.
Not true at all. How would a volcano erupting give an area the same soils as Champagne? Champagne is built on an immense limestone basin, formed during the period when France was a shallow tropical sea with a few islands. There's pretty much no volcanic soil there. The climate in the winegrowing regions in Washington is also COMPLETELY different from Champagne. It has extremely hot days, a large temperature swing, and very dry conditions with farming only made possible via irrigation. Champagne is a very cool region, marginal for grapes even, which you need to make good sparkling wine. Dry farming is common due to ample rainfall, with deep-rooted vines digging into fractured chalk bedrock. The sort of hundred degree days that are pretty normal for Washington could spoil a Champagne vintage. There's also the human element of Champagne. The Romans mined chalk there, the region is honeycombed with hundreds of miles of tunnels and chambers that are used to age the wine, an essential part of Champagne (multivintage blending and long sur lie aging). This has been expanded over centuries. No infrastructure like that exists in Washington and it would be much more difficult to dig it out of the flood basalt bedrock that characterizes the area.

Washington is great for red wines, and a few cooler regions can grown Pinot Noir and Riesling very well. There's even some very small patches of limestone. Oregon does nice Pinot, Chardonnay, and Riesling, being more cool. But all the wines aren't really anything similar to Champagne. This is why Ricardo used wine as his example when he argued for limited free trade - it's a good the characteristics of which are tied to its region of creation, so it makes sense to lower trade barriers for it.
 
This is why Ricardo used wine as his example when he argued for limited free trade - it's a good the characteristics of which are tied to the its region of creation, so it makes sense to lower trade barriers for it.
Except for that if that was the case, then no one would buy Californian Champagne and PDO laws would be meaningless. Yet, France refuses to get rid of the useless laws because they know that their wines can't dominate without it.
 
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So the only “private land” in that map is the white and the Indian reservation?
Yes
Small numbers of people.

Trump removing that water was a calculated gamble. It's a gamble that imo was worth it as the city was on fire, but it's not like there was an infinite water tap and Trump walked up to it, shrugged, and turned it on, thus cutting the Gordian Knot. If California has a drought year, that decision will have catastrophic consequences. The reservoirs fill when rain is heavy and that water needs to be held for times when water is scarce. It is a limited supply.
The water is from Canada where they have bucketloads of it. It was no gamble. It was smart.
I think it would be the height of idiocy to fuel a population boom in the West by sourcing water from a foreign country. You're putting a gun to your head and giving them control of the trigger. One of the big things that the US has going for it is the capacity for self-sufficiency.
You assume we couldn't take Canada over if they ever tried stopping the flow. Lmao.
 
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