2025 Israel vs Iran War

[Myrtle the Turtle]

US doctrine is to go way over the top of what 'is needed' in terms of firepower to accomplish a major objective

I suspect the build up is a deterrent to keep Russia, China and other insurgents from fucking around after the US does the deed.

 

[FieldPiece]

The only Shah Hopeposting that isn't cringe is the thought that they'll change their flag back to the Lion and Sun. That flag slaps and is way cooler than their current flag.

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It should be a law that whoever wins a war gets to re-design the losers flag.

 

[Nameless One]

It is warmongering to want to fuck with other nations because of the potential threat they might pose, even though the point of them getting nukes it to take part in the global MAD paradigm yes.

It's not always a bad thing to want war, but it is warmongering.

Well said. I have no issue with war, I'm not some peacekeeping fag. I just have an issue with how it may be handled and Israel has a very itchy trigger finger. Our military is shaping up to being put at risk for a barren shitheap again.

 

[Disaffected Coyote]

Possible NOTAM has been published north of Hawaii, for aerial refueling. Supposedly for the B-2.


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[Burnt Fish]

I'm pretty sure that was Ukraine, as Z-boi knew Trump would pry away the money teat he had been sucking on. Both assassins had far too sketchy a connection to Ukie to be a coincidence.

Because I think people get it mixed up all the time. The talk of Iran trying to kill Trump isn't the Golf Course or the Pennsylvania shooter. There were reports in November of the DOJ charging an Iranian asset tasked with multiple killings and to attempt to kill Trump

 

[Pimp C]

It should be a law that whoever wins a war gets to re-design the losers flag.

Iranian burger flag when?

 

[Nameless One]

Iranian burger flag when?

Something like this but with the dead Ayatollah

 

[polyester]

Well by that logic, all Israelis are legitimate targets since they have all served in the IDF.

Do you really not understand the difference between someone currently employed in a country's nuclear weapons program (i.e. a military endeavor), and a random civilian who was once drafted to a fixed-term military service and has gone back to being a civilian?

The Geneva Conventions are not ambiguous about this, why do so many posters ITT pretend that it's ambiguous?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Do you really not understand the difference between someone currently employed in a country's nuclear weapons program (i.e. a military endeavor), and a random civilian who was once drafted to a fixed-term military service and has gone back to being a civilian?

The Geneva Conventions are not ambiguous about this, why do so many posters ITT pretend that it's ambiguous?

Everyone thinks they know the geneva conventions and that it's common sense when it isnt

 

[Rekieta’s Broken Penis]

You know, you don't have to use a bingo card to write a post. What does it make you that when someone disagrees with your characterization of Trump you immediately denigrate them as a cultist sucking his cock or whatever silly ragebait is on that bingo card lol. It's a self-serving false dilemma. Agree with me or you're a Trump cultist! lol. idk how a few sentences is "journaling" either

That’s totally disingenuous and backwards. Your response to my initial claim that Trump will inevitably chicken out was to denigrate me and characterise my claim as “reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Trump reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”. The fact that you see a comment which doesn’t suck Trump off totally and characterise it as “reee Trump” makes it pretty obvious that you are a Trump worshipper. & yes what Laura Loomer is doing, i.e. documenting every time a public figure criticises Trump, is journaling.

 

[Ghostse]

Just imagine if Obama had the sack to bring forth these terms when he had Iran with a collapsing economy. Instead of dropping 400 billion in cash on TIA tarmac for a pinkie promise to not nuke Tel Aviv until 2030.

All this speculation that the GBU-57 is ineffective is complete speculation up and until it's actually deployed,

Its not speculation it is cope. The BRICSfaces cope because everytime Russia debuts its cool new wunderwaffen outside of the controlled test range its complete garbage. Meanwhile the US weapons always over perform (when not crippled by retarded ROE).

No need for a nuke to take out Fordow. US has 20 bunker busters iirc

And they aren't exactly difficult to build. The GBU-57 is the "dumb" bomb. The 37 as all the cool features like being able to count floors The GBU is just big with intelligence limited to "I go in at the angle I'm programed for then go boom when I stop"

 

[Florid Icewater]

a thought.
the US and Israeli authorities have no intention of bombing the Fordow site. doing so would possibly release radioactive material which would contaminate the surroundings possibly for many years. and moreover, the victors will want to have convenient access to inspect the site and clear out all sensitive material and enrichment technology, and solidly account for what's there and ensure that no one (official Iranian regime or otherwise) has absconded with equipment or materials. the site would be much more difficult to safely inspect and contain if it had been smashed with a 5000lb bomb than if not.
what they want rather is for the site to be surrendered without a fight.
all the talk of bombing Fordow is bluster and distraction until either Iran surrenders or US+Israel kill Khamenei.
failing either of those, Israel would assault the site. but that's messy (for the same reasons bombing with the GBU-57 would be) and could cost Good Guy lives.

 

[Scrumption]

I'm pretty sure that was Ukraine, as Z-boi knew Trump would pry away the money teat he had been sucking on. Both assassins had far too sketchy a connection to Ukraine to be a coincidence.

NY Post
Trump suggests Iran was involved in both assassination attempts, calls on FBI to hack suspects’ phones [Archive]

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Well by that logic, all Israelis are legitimate targets since they have all served in the IDF.

A construction worker building a bunker complex is a legitimate target. That same man building a house down the road is not. Same sort of thing. The active members of the IDF are military targets; the formerly active ones aren't. Scientists working in a military installation, building bombs for the military are valid targets. If they stopped working there, they wouldn't be.

 

[Scrumption]

A construction worker building a bunker complex is a legitimate target. That same man building a house down the road is not. Same sort of thing. The active members of the IDF are military targets; the formerly active ones aren't. Scientists working in a military installation, building bombs for the military are valid targets. If they stopped working there, they wouldn't be.

Kind of. If the nuclear scientist is taking part in hostilities, they can be considered a military target under Geneva Conventions.

 

[soy_king]

a thought.
the US and Israeli authorities have no intention of bombing the Fordow site. doing so would possibly release radioactive material which would contaminate the surroundings possibly for many years. and moreover, the victors will want to have convenient access to inspect the site and clear out all sensitive material and enrichment technology, and solidly account for what's there and ensure that no one (official Iranian regime or otherwise) has absconded with equipment or materials. the site would be much more difficult to safely inspect and contain if it had been smashed with a 5000lb bomb than if not.
what they want rather is for the site to be surrendered without a fight.
all the talk of bombing Fordow is bluster and distraction until either Iran surrenders or US+Israel kill Khamenei.
failing either of those, Israel would assault the site. but that's messy (for the same reasons bombing with the GBU-57 would be) and could cost Good Guy lives.

I think they'd prefer if it was surrendered, but I don't think the Iranians are gonna do that. As weak as they are right now, they're not ready to wave the white flag, and that's what giving up the facility would be. Blowing up Fordow is the best possible option, the bluster is about killing Khamenei. Killing world leaders is still verboten, and doing so would make it open season to openly go after them (which might not be the worst option for us, but these people still value their own skins enough not to want to get reprisal attacks against leadership)

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Kind of. If the nuclear scientist is taking part in hostilities, they can be considered a military target under Geneva Conventions.

Article 52 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention. This defines a military objective as objects “which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage”.

That would surely cover enrichment plants, assembly plants, storage facilities and research labs based around the development of warheads.

 

[Disco Inferno]

I'm having a nice drink, lurking this thread, and watching Steve. Who clearly hasn't slept in days.

 

[Rekieta’s Broken Penis]

all the talk of bombing Fordow is bluster and distraction until either Iran surrenders or US+Israel kill Khamenei.
failing either of those, Israel would assault the site. but that's messy (for the same reasons bombing with the GBU-57 would be) and could cost Good Guy lives.

That’s his entire “art of the deal” is to bluster and threaten to blow everything up, so that they will “compromise” into the position he wanted originally. When it comes to actually blowing everything up in a geopolitical sense he won’t ever actually go through with it. Look at Afghanistan & North Korea - doing just fine. Look at the China trade tariffs which are a great example of it working, but you could see that the US was very eager to make a deal before local stock was totally depleted and they actually felt the true cost of the tariffs. Even the 20% fentanyl tariff obviously has on off-ramp baked in so there’s potential for the “additional” Chinese tariffs to drop down to the standard 10%. He’s quick to threaten but slow to go through with it. In this case it’s obvious he will chicken out.

 

[scallion]

Not a lot of sirens today, but they are still very fearful in Tel Aviv. Lots of anxieties about Iran pulling out better missiles after whittling down Israeli interceptor stock.