2025 Israel vs Iran War

[CaptainAutism69]

Article 52 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention. This defines a military objective as objects “which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage”.

That would surely cover enrichment plants, assembly plants, storage facilities and research labs based around the development of warheads.

And yet theres no evidence Iran was developing a nuke outside of Israel's 30 year claim that Iran is only two weeks away from developing a nuke.
Iran is entitled to be energy independent and develop nuclear energy.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

And yet theres no evidence Iran was developing a nuke outside of Israel's 30 year claim that Iran is only two weeks away from developing a nuke.
Iran is entitled to be energy independent and develop nuclear energy.

The problem is you'd never until they had it though because stopped letting the IAEA into everything. From what has been said, there is no reason to enrich energy grade uranium/whatever above 60% and I think the highest estimate I've seen mentioned without looking is that Iran was at 83%.
After looking it as 83.7% from the IAEA as well, they were going for the bomb how long it'd take them is debatable but that's very close.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

The problem is you'd never until they had it though because stopped letting the IAEA into everything. From what has been said, there is no reason to enrich energy grade uranium/whatever above 60% and I think the highest estimate I've seen mentioned without looking is that Iran was at 83%.
After looking it as 83.7% from the IAEA as well, they were going for the bomb how long it'd take them is debatable but that's very close.

Said the Jews.
Let me tell you about a little known country called Iraq, which had a world destroying level of WMDs...

 

[Dharma bump]

What's the 400kg of enriched uranium and the multiple locations with multiple centrifuge cascades for then? Easier postage?

It's in Iran's interest to develop nukes. Nobody likes them, through several leadership changes. Race to a weapon is a valid strategy. It worked for Bibi and it's working for Japan right now, who are also permanently 2 weeks from a warhead.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

Said the Jews.
Let me tell you about a little known country called Iraq, which had a world destroying level of WMDs...

Nobody said Iran has nukes or wmd's. It's just common sense they are building up to that point. Whether or not you agree with stopping them doesn't matter, they probably learned from Iraq and pushed the "they can't have nukes" over the "they have nukes." propaganda though. You can compare it to us letting North Korea get nukes and stopping Iran as well.
I'm sticking with my geopolitical theory of us taking Iran off the board is an act of retribution for Russia taking Ukraine off of NATO's board. Does it matter in the end? Not really, at least we ain't giving Zelensky a trillion dollars anymore.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Nobody said Iran has nukes or wmd's. It's just common sense they are building up to that point. Whether or not you agree with stopping them doesn't matter, they probably learned from Iraq and pushed the "they can't have nukes" over the "they have nukes." propaganda though. You can compare it to us letting North Korea get nukes and stopping Iran as well.
I'm sticking with my geopolitical theory of us taking Iran off the board is an act of retribution for Russia taking Ukraine off of NATO's board. Does it matter in the end? Not really, at least we ain't giving Zelensky a trillion dollars anymore.

ok, so bombing civilians as they sleep in their civilian apartment block is ok as long as it's 'common sense'.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

ok, so bombing civilians as they sleep in their civilian apartment block is ok as long as it's 'common sense'.

And when you play moral police officer you might as well just log out. My answer to that is yeah, they've been very nice and precision strikes are a nifty thing because if that was me it'd look a lot different.

 

[Drive-By Comment]

Jews did the prodding. No, no world war triggered. Yes, yes Iran is total push over.
Honestly it looks like Iran is about to fold on itself.

This gamba, by US I think, was total success. Now fingers crossed it is not fucked up civil war that comes next, but opposition taking over pretty advanced middle east nation... And it will most likely be inclined to be aligned with West and not slav niggers.

**Have to admire that jew intel again. Popping leaders off like zits.
** And honestly do not understand these WW3... memes I assume. Who the fuck is joining Iran to fight against US or even Israel. Hezbollah, maybe against Israel but clearly not US.

 

[StudMccool]

Id like to share with you all some of the most profound words ive ever read from the hands of Otto von Bismarck, The Chancellor or Iron and Blood,and a personal hero of mine.

The man who turned

into



The following is an excerpt from a speech he gave to the German version of congress after already being a well known man of war

"It is unworthy of a great state to fight for something that does not concern it own interest. Gentlemen, show me and objective worth of war and I will go along with you. It is easy enough for a statesman to ride the popular wave from the comfort of his own fireside, making thunderous speeches from the rostrum. Letting the public sound the trumpet of war and leaving it to the musketeer, bleeding out his lifes blood in the snowy wastes, to decide if policy ends in glory or failure, nothing is simpler. But woe to any statesman who, at such a time, fails to find a cause of war witch will stand up to scrutiny once the fighting is over."

Im prepared to share my Unironic Opinion™®©, ladies please try to contain yourself.



I pose this HYPOTHETICAL to the farms, if you ceased hearing ALL news from the middle east and it was treated as "verboten" really think about it and tell me if your life changes AT ALL. How long would the middle east need to blow itself up before its effects are felt by the average Farmer in any tangible way?

Reason for this thinking 1, WE BROKE NIGGA

Our missile breakdown



Enemy missile breakdown


Id include their price but its apprently immaterial as ive heard that most of their high end missile tech is supplied in whole or in part by China, meaning they have access to quick and cheap resupply.

All this to say we are literally fighting THEIR game, they built up for THIS kind of fight

Ohh you heard the Ayatollah is in a cave?


So where are we dear reader? What am I advocating? Do I even have a point?

Id like to think I do, and Im advocating nothing but open minds and sound discussion. I love my country (The glorious United States Of America) more than most things in life, I love the government structure many MANY men died uncomfortable deaths in the mud to protect and uphold that me and my contemporary now enjoy without a second though. My point is I am no turncoat or defeatist I just want peace.

 

[Ghostse]

I'm sticking with my geopolitical theory of us taking Iran off the board is an act of retribution for Russia taking Ukraine off of NATO's board. Does it matter in the end? Not really, at least we ain't giving Zelensky a trillion dollars anymore.

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I'm not saying this isn't a Ukraine play (I'd say more about shutting down Russian weapon access than NATO slapfight but)

However Israel has been working at this since essentially 2014 when ISIS temporarily took over Central North Iraq and the Shiite government effectively refused to rearm the Sunni north removing all AAD for fear of a repeat. All they needed was Syrian air defense to collapse and they finally got it 7 months ago - I don't think they wanted to miss their window.

Because Obama's absolute shit-tier "deal" to try to justify his peace prize meant this was always going to come to a head. Seriously the terms were absolute dogshit even before we take into account the 400 billion he gave them in unmarked hard currency. The only thing they couldn't do was above ground bomb tests.

Its also sort of hilarious given how Operation Opera had Iranian support including authorization for the IDF pilots to land in Iran if needed.

And yet theres no evidence Iran was developing a nuke outside of Israel's 30 year claim that Iran is only two weeks away from developing a nuke.
Iran is entitled to be energy independent and develop nuclear energy.

Why does the #2 exporter of oil need nuclear energy to be energy independent? they have to import uranium, they could refine their own oil if they weren't retarded.

Regarding "do they have the bomb":
We have no evidence either way anymore because Iran refused the IAEA inspectors completely in a fit of pique and attempting to pressure the US negotiation team. And for the near decade since Obama's retarded deal has been put in place the IAEA keeps turning up sites not disclosed and hidden areas of known sites not reported.

In short, Iran has not been complying in good faith with the terms of the sweetheart deal the retarded nigger gave them.

Once you have enough enriched uranium its not very difficult to build a bomb. Its much, much harder to build and run a reactor.

That said, it is easier to detect enriched uranium than people think. I have had occasion to be made aware of how NEST does some things, and I will tell you that they purposefully don't talk about all the ways they track very radioactive things, but you can see unsheilded near-weapons grade uranium from space.
(this is one of the real reasons Fordow bothers people; not that you need to use bunker busters on it, the fact all that granite makes it hard to monitor radiation levels via satellite). And if Iran was really at fissile level, there would have been a much bigger stink raised.

So while I don't think the Jews are honest in their kvetching: Iran would be days away from building a bomb if they could get enough fissile material - if even that long, its possible they have shell just waiting a uranium mass. But Iran is very close to having weapons grade Uranium, has facilities with enough centrifugal length to produce it, and all they would need is time and privacy to get to the bomb.

tl:dr;
-The #2 oil nation shouldn't need reactors for any legimate purpse. If they did, they can buy the reactors and fuel from other countries.
-Jews are over stating the severity of the situation in order to take advantage of the fact they temporarily have an air corridor to Iran.
-Iran is very clearly pursuing a bomb even if they aren't "weeks away" (unless given the fissile mass)

 

[Dana scully]

The Tu*k standing on business

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Also there’s increased airbuse movement in the gulf region
I expect the US attack to be a B2 strike, TLAM strike simultaneous to F16CJ going wild weasel on any air defenses left in Iran and marauding F35 and F16 looking for any targets of opportunity

 

[babyDunk]

who goes around journaling whenever somebody disagrees with the man

This entire thread has people consistently disagreeing with his actions/takes. What’s your point bruf

the goal is to bomb fordow and prepare to protect Gulf oil infrastructure.

That’s the goal… for now.Israel’s master has been screeching for regime change no?

an international organization without ties to the US or Isreal providing them with third party testimony supporting the claims.

Didn’t they backtrack the claim already?

 

[moocow]

Damn, all those military planes in the Mediterranean and middle eastern airspace have gone home or dark, no C17, no A400, no C130, no tankers, etc. Except a LM-100J Hercules of all things. Am I just heavily retarded and don't know how to do this or is this really fucking strange?

What a strange thing to be surprised about. Military assets, during military operations involving two warring states (and live rounds), deliberately not announcing their exact position, orientation and flight plans to civilian authorities? Sounds about right.

In fact, one might think the rather conspicuous display of B-2s and supporting tankers being moved around in plain view might be a deliberate decision. Hmmm...

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Most of which were created in the last 15 years.

Literally the only federal holiday created in the last fifteen years is Juneteenth. I have no idea what you meant by this.

And yet theres no evidence Iran was developing a nuke outside of Israel's 30 year claim that Iran is only two weeks away from developing a nuke.
Iran is entitled to be energy independent and develop nuclear energy.

Nigger you what? Even the IAEA has come out and said that they have a significant amount of uranium enriched to 60%. Literally the only thing you can do with 60% richness uranium is to refine it to weapons grade. They absolutely have nuclear weapon ambitions.

ok, so bombing civilians as they sleep in their civilian apartment block is ok as long as it's 'common sense'.

No, bombing civilians is bad.

Said the Jews.

Says the IAEA.

Let me tell you about a little known country called Iraq, which had a world destroying level of WMDs

Outside of passing resemblance, there's no connection between the two situations. The WMD in Iraq claims come from the Niger Report, which were literally, actually intentionally falsified and discredited.

The #2 oil nation shouldn't need reactors for any legimate purpse

Nigga you really shouldn't be burning straight up oil to make energy for the grid. That's retarded.

 

[Dana scully]

I have been talking to an iranian person and he told me IRGC is still holding strong and their bases are not completely destroyed their bases is inside cities that are filled with weapons to kill ordinary people and and irgc is not alone there is also the populist movement of basij less weaponized but still effective against ordinary people, and he also said 60% of the population wants the regime to go down. @Catch The Rainbow can probably confirm that when he’s online

Edit: Not everybody supports pahlavi or monarchy in iran, also many of the regime children living comfortably in Canada, what the Canadian government doing? They should be sanctioned and deported !

 

[Steves Bane]

What are the chances that Israel will be sacrificed (neutralized and evacuated) to get Iran?

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Literally the only thing you can do with 60% richness uranium is to refine it to weapons grade.

No, you can also use it to make a really bad reactor that melts down and destroys itself when you turn it on. Maybe that's the Iranians goal?

 

[A Cardboard Box]

No, you can also use it to make a really bad reactor that melts down and destroys itself when you turn it on. Maybe that's the Iranians goal?

That's a good point. I was only thinking of applications that made sense. If you wanted to make a super-Chernobyl criticality machine you could do a lot with 60%.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Do you like finding things? I like finding things. Today I found out about an organistion I'd never heard of before. An NGO by the name of "United Against Nuclear Iran".

Whats so special about that? Its just an NGO. They're just like a charity aren't they? Well, kinda, but they're a great way of influencing domestic and foreign policy, and their funding structure is often like that of a Matryoshka doll. Its all transparent as they usually have 501 (c)(3) status, but you often have NGOs donating to other NGOs and then NGOs passing funding on to smaller organisations. Which is how you end up with immigrants washing up on the shores of countries with mobile phones and pre-paid debit cards. Oh, and the intelligence services absolutely love NGOs. Sometimes they love them so much they'll start their own.

Surely this United Against Nuclear Iran is relatively benign? What could they possibly do? Lets have a look at some of their more notable leadership/members...

Jeb (please clap) Bush - Guac bowl magnate
Mark Wallace - Former UN ambassador
Zohar Palti - Former Director of Intelligence at Mossad
Norman Roule - Former CIA
Dennis Ross - Former National Security Council member
Mark Kirk - 23 years in Naval Intelligence, served in the DIA and retired with the rank of Commander
Dr. August Hanning - Former director of the German Federal Intelligence Service
Frances Hanning - Former US Homeland Security Advisor
Sir Ivor Roberts - Former British Diplomatic Service and Head of Counter-Terrorism
Lord Charles Guthrie - Former Chief of Staff of UK Armed Forces
Sir Graeme Lamb - Former Director of Special Forces and Commander of the British Army
Barry Rosen - Not an obvious glowie, but look at his priors. He loves subverting muslim countries
Olli Heinonen - Former Deputy Director General of the IAEA
Ray Takeyh - Former Council of Foreign Relations member and former senior advisor on Iran to the Department of State
Michael Singh - Former senior director for Middle East affairs at the National Security Council
Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones - Former UK Minister for Security
Giulio Terzi di Sant'Agata - Former ambassador of Italy to Israel (amongst other things)
Robert Hill - Former Australian Minister of Defence
Mark Salter - Former Chief of Staff to Senator John McCain
Jason Brodsky - Member of the Atlantic Council another glowie NGO
Kasra Aarabi - Former Iran Program lead at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change (major glowie NGO)
Jemima Shelley - Another former member of Tony Blair Institute for Global Change
Dror Doron - 17 years in Israel's government
Michael Pregent - Former US Army Intelligence and DIA
Meir Dagan (now in hell) - Former General Director of Mossad
Richard Holbrooke (now in hell) - Former UN Ambassador to the UN and former US Special Envoy


Yeah, thats great and all, but what do they actually do? Lets have a quick look at the FAQ...



That doesn't seem so bad. All very innocuous, but wait...

Why would a country add a perfectly harmless and non-partisan organisation like the UANI to their list of terror groups? Lets ask Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (yes, she is, before you ask) what she thinks...

“What I like, is they are in the weeds. You name a sector in the Iranian economy and they have been inside it, putting a lot of pressure on them. We’ve worked with them, especially on embargo and sanctions legislation. So many of the bills had their genesis with them.”

So, you have an NGO doing the dirty work of the state, with a convenient level of plausible deniability which allows them to freely bend international law in ways that normally would certainly result in a diplomatic incident. Or, even worse, you have an organisation that is doing this of it's own volition and is using its money and contacts to shape foreign policy and potentially lead to military action. Either way, its a shitshow, and once again the West gets gayop'd into another war.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I don't get the absolute retardation of "Iran never wanted to make a bomb". It's arguing against reality to force the "lying Jew" stereotype.

Even if you believe the American intelligence of 3 years to a bomb, it's still a potential North Korea situation that will be bad for everyone if it comes into fruition.