Furry Fandom and Drama General

[didelphigina]

Edit: They actually just reverted the update lol Source Ghost

Laughed like mad scrolling through the thread of people arguing whether "constantly changing your gender whenever you feel like it because you can't make up what you want to be and making it everyone else's problem" (aka genderfluid) counts as a real sexuality or not. God, we love em' fighting out a new one. Thread lasted way longer than I expected. Some of them were even asking, "I thought this community was inclusive and accepting... how could someone dare question a sexuality/gender/romance label and not blindly slobber all over it or keep quiet about it?? I'm appalled, truly.". There's even numerous threads of people fighting each other about if being called a herm is a slur toward intersex's or not. Intersex people may exist but if I see a whole bunch of them in a single FA thread, I'm casting doubt.

This is what happens when you coddle someone that everyone has to be accepted and approved without question. This genuinely is the reason behind the drop down removal and then reverted update. The desperation to be inclusive and trying to appease to a minority within a minority within a minority. It's an exhaustive thing to keep your heads over, trying to not offend anyone and being told to accept anything and everything lest you want to be called the next Hitler in the making.

Furries, not even once, man.

 

[Chrono Legion]

There's even numerous threads of people fighting each other about if being called a herm is a slur toward intersex's or not. Intersex people may exist but if I see a whole bunch of them in a single FA thread, I'm casting doubt.

How the fuck is this even an argument on the table, aren't these people supposed to be furries? They should be more than familiar that hermaphrodite characters are a huge historical fetish of the furry fandom and that they were presented as-is since the fetish was just "What if I had a character who in their inhuman biology, had both a functional penis and a vagina?" There was some early sequence break pronoun insanity with those characters too, with the "Hir" pronoun which I have no idea how it's pronounced but it's probably like "Here" or some awkward crap like that.

That's how you can tell these are newfurfags that are the main shit stirrers of this stuff I guess. They don't know their history. Herm absolutely isn't a slur because the only people online that I have ever seen use the term in the first place has been furries and /d/-generates to describe this specific character type, which is not envisioned as "intersex" but rather as just a deviant fantasy. It's just an abbreviation for hermaphrodite, which is as plain of a term as it gets for describing this. Lunacy!

 

[Drunken Fox]

How the fuck is this even an argument on the table, aren't these people supposed to be furries? They should be more than familiar that hermaphrodite characters are a huge historical fetish of the furry fandom and that they were presented as-is since the fetish was just "What if I had a character who in their inhuman biology, had both a functional penis and a vagina?" There was some early sequence break pronoun insanity with those characters too, with the "Hir" pronoun which I have no idea how it's pronounced but it's probably like "Here" or some awkward crap like that.

That's how you can tell these are newfurfags that are the main shit stirrers of this stuff I guess. They don't know their history. Herm absolutely isn't a slur because the only people online that I have ever seen use the term in the first place has been furries and /d/-generates to describe this specific character type, which is not envisioned as "intersex" but rather as just a deviant fantasy. It's just an abbreviation for hermaphrodite, which is as plain of a term as it gets for describing this. Lunacy!

I mean it's all just the troon oppression olympic insanity. They needed more slurs to feel oppressed by and since someone somewhere might have described trans people once as herm or futa then those became slurs. I think there's the psychological aspect to the existence of herms, futas, dickgirls, cuntboys, etc. Those clearly were all just deviant fetishes in the past to create fun sexual fantasies. Since now those are "heckin valid identities" (I almost vomited in my mouth writing that), the original terms have to become slurs because it will remind people of what they actual are, sexual fetishes and fantasies, not reality. This is why it's the same people crying "don't fetishize trans bodies" when trans people seriously have the biggest issue with fetishizing their bodies, but they don't want to see it as such. They need to live in this delusion where they aren't just living their fetish because if they recognized that, they would need to accept their whole existence is a lie. That's why those terms had to go, because they remind them of reality.

I generally still see a lot of older furs use all of those terms. A lot of them seem to intrinsically recognize that it is a fetish and a fantasy. So, while they might support "trans rights" on the surface (mainly because not doing so will get you ostracize), they probably don't hold the same level of insanity that many of these people do because they understand what it actually is.

Of course all of this exists just to remove the ability to talk about it and groom more people into being troons. No longer can we have a discussion and just tell people the truth, you've got a weird fetish, it's ok. Jerk it, keep it to yourself, and don't let it take over your existence make radical life altering decisions. Now it is no longer a fetish and we have to affirm it as their identity. We are forced to change our very language to keep up and spread the lie.

 

[Barry Williams]

There was some early sequence break pronoun insanity with those characters too, with the "Hir" pronoun which I have no idea how it's pronounced but it's probably like "Here" or some awkward crap like that.

The herm pronoun pair was shi/hir, which is pronounced the same as "she/her". My assumption is that the swapping of the E's with the letter I is to include the spelling of "him" while retaining the feminine pronunciation.

I generally still see a lot of older furs use all of those terms. A lot of them seem to intrinsically recognize that it is a fetish and a fantasy.

One of my friends is an artist in his 50's who has been doing tasteful (not sure how to describe it, nude or mostly nude but not hardcore porn) portraits and sketches of characters for decades. Men, women, and also herms.

He mentioned to me the other day some frustration he had with retards getting on his case because he still called them "herm". He's always used the word, and it's for the reason you just outlined: it's a fantasy, a very common one at that. The few times he bothered to engage with these people as to what he should use instead of "herm" there was no consensus. They fed him nonsense clown world shit like "gynomorph", "transfemme", and of course "intersex".

I think he just started quietly blocking people who bothered him about it and just carries on as usual. He did notice it was only the furries giving him a hard time though.

 

[Soda Can]

I think I noticed something: it seems those who are not "furries" like anthro-animal characters looking cool or intimidating, like the Kzinti of the '70s animated Star Trek. Meanwhile, it seems that people who are "furries" like anthropomorphic characters to look disturbingly sexual -- despite the animal heads (that are usually canine in looks).

What's funny is the first group are all prolific artists who produce really boring work. It's autism hyper focused on one or two things and with no real creativity. A lot of non-furry furries are like that.

 

[didelphigina]

They fed him nonsense clown world shit like "gynomorph", "transfemme", and of course "intersex".

"Now listen here, I don't care what these newfound, modern day terms are called. The words I say have had meaning for decades and you think I'm changing it for you young folks? Call me the devil or have God smite me all you want but I am not changing a common sense terms to fit your terms that you dilly-dally's can't even agree with without fighting each other. You youngin's wouldn't stand a chance with how we referred to women who so happened to have a male and/or female genitalia back then. How's it a slur? Not even Bobby would look at the word and say, 'Hey, that's offensive. You should change it'. I've heard Albanians have better slurs for them Latinos near the pop-and-shop than whatever slur 'herm' is. No one except the sensitive and those overly dedicate democrats are putting these complaints into the table. Your life is not on the line because some stranger on the internet done called you some words! You'd tell the same if those heterosexual people didn't like being called 'cis'! But now we have to conform to these terms because it hurts the sensitive men with numerous unresolved mental health issues? Are you crazy? No, I am not sorry. I will not change how I say how it is to keep you from reaching the anxiety pills. I may draw stuff like this but I am proud to at least say the terms for how it is."

You said your friend was in his 50s so I immediately thought of Hank Hill since he's also old and wrote this autism session.

 

[sex haver]

Can anyone who is a web dev explain. They removed gender seemingly on a whim, but adding it back in is some kind of massive undertaking. Why? Couldn't they just roll it back to a previous version?

And, I won't put money on this, but I have suspect they'll only revert the change after pride month is over.

That would require FurAffinity to have both a competent developer and a working versioning system. According to the previous post, when removing the gender dropdown they went and added tags to over 15 million submissions automatically. It is extremely unlikely they have a way of determining which submissions used the tag "female" (for example) before the change, and which ones were added after the change.

If I had to guess they are also dragging their feet over which "special" genders to add, because of course the very idea of certain words will piss off trannies. They are probably locked in debate with each other over which words to use; for example, the whole argument over "intersex" and "herm". Some are fine with it, some don't care, and others consider it a genuine slur meant to hurt trans people somehow. But what do you replace it with? Someone is going to be offended by any choice. Someone will always argue the chosen word is a "slur" and their word is better.

This is why it's the same people crying "don't fetishize trans bodies" when trans people seriously have the biggest issue with fetishizing their bodies, but they don't want to see it as such.

This is always the funniest thing to me. They will demand to be taken seriously and seen as a gender they aren't and claim it isn't a fetish, but then will unironically use terms like "gock" (girl cock) and "t-dick" (the enlarged clit that FTMs get that vaguely resembles a penis). Meanwhile if you say "dickgirl" oh that's a slur and you are fetishizing them.

 

[Baymax]

Well, the mentally deranged did it, "Herm / Hermaphrodite" is going to be removed in the name of "inclusivity".

I can tell you one thing, those demanding that word to be removed and labelling it as a "slur" only don't like it, none of them have ever been "insulted" with it in any way imaginable.

Also, I find it incredibly hilarious how all the commenters who straight up use insults towards others, remain unmoderated because they have the "correct opinion".
Meanwhile those stating only their opinions in an orderly manner even get banned.
(if you scroll you will see one of those BabyFur pedophiles being smug about having reported and banned a user in that journal)

 

[teriyakiburns]

I think I noticed something: it seems those who are not "furries" like anthro-animal characters looking cool or intimidating, like the Kzinti of the '70s animated Star Trek. Meanwhile, it seems that people who are "furries" like anthropomorphic characters to look disturbingly sexual --

IMO the difference is in identification. Furries identify as their fursona; it's an expression of their inner self and who they perceive themselves to be inside. Mere anthro appreciators, if they identify at all, identify with the characters they create or depict, in the sense of seeing common attributes, personality traits, and goals, but they don't cross the line to believing they are those characters.

despite the animal heads (that are usually canine in looks).

The smug dog-face furry is the worst of the lot. Their sins are legion and they can't draw.

 

[didelphigina]

Also, I find it incredibly hilarious how all the commenters who straight up use insults towards others, remain unmoderated because they have the "correct opinion".
Meanwhile those stating only their opinions in an orderly manner even get banned.

Remember, it's okay to be a prick in the eyes of leftists as long as you have the correct opinion on things.

This is always the funniest thing to me. They will demand to be taken seriously and seen as a gender they aren't and claim it isn't a fetish, but then will unironically use terms like "gock" (girl cock) and "t-dick" (the enlarged clit that FTMs get that vaguely resembles a penis). Meanwhile if you say "dickgirl" oh that's a slur and you are fetishizing them.

It's only a slur when the meanie bad side or some 2000s/2010s dude uses it. To the community, a slur is only a word that most people can't agree to being used as a regular word so it gets upgraded to a slur instead. That's why people say to never appease the trans crowd. It's never enough and no matter what you do, someone's gonna get offended and someone's gonna think you're literally Hitler. There's no winning. Appeasing does nothing.

 

[Chrono Legion]

They needed more slurs to feel oppressed by

You just know they created it with zero understanding whatsoever of what the word was shorthand for, because this is like making "Transgender", "Homosexual" and "Caucasian" into slurs. As in the words themselves, as presented. The only difference one might say is that humans can't be hermaphrodites, but men can't become real women anyway so transgender is technically just a fantasy too.

the same people crying "don't fetishize trans bodies" when trans people seriously have the biggest issue with fetishizing their bodies, but they don't want to see it as such.

I was going to say something on this in this reply but you already have. It's still funny how hypocritical they are on this position, the autogynephilia is very brazen and obvious with these people.

They are probably locked in debate with each other over which words to use; for example, the whole argument over "intersex" and "herm".

The thing is, calling these characters intersex is stupid. They aren't intersex, they're hermaphrodites, it's a statement of fact, they aren't characters born with chromosome disease into having malformed genitalia like micropenises, they're hermaphrodites, they have both genitalia and both are functional and they can probably actually fuck themselves if they wanted to (artist's discretion). There's SUPPOSEDLY a specific intersex defect that results in having both genitalia but not only is it unfathomably rare to the point that there is barely any real information on it, but both genitalia aren't functional, at most only one will be and that's if they're lucky enough. Forcing people to call them intersex is just shoehorning shit where it doesn't belong.

They're not even "gynomorphs" because that would require not having a vagina, since the implication is "Body build looks female but actually isn't" (Why aren't they considering this word to be a slur instead? Strange priorities.)

Well, the mentally deranged did it, "Herm / Hermaphrodite" is going to be removed in the name of "inclusivity".

More reasons why furaffinity is in the gutter. Honestly I can't believe I'm having to speak the case for why removing this is stupid, but removing it is honestly far stupider than whatever dark sorcery led herm to be a fetish to begin with. It seems even in maniacal sex fantasy, these people can't register rigid concepts like "My inhuman character is simultaneously male and female according to its genitalia" without chimping out. Given they can't understand that in reality humans only have two genders, it makes sense for them to act like this.

I think in some cases a character can be considered a hermaphrodite if they have the ability to willfully change their own sex on a whim (as an innate ability), those characters are only one at a time but since they functionally live as both, they're also considered hermaphrodites by definition, but can also be referred to as "genderbenders" (Do they call this one a slur too?) I think these people hate logical terms in general, they'd rather try to describe those characters as "genderfluid" so the delusional lunatics can be like "waow, this character is literally me irl!".

 

[who dare wins?]

Thought I would post here but a popular porn artist, Jinusenpai, was outed as a pedophile recently. Now you might be asking how? Some other pedophile decided to tell on themselves to some DMs way back when where Jinu talks about abducting and raping children, "corrupting your mind with niggermeat" etc. He already decided to take a break two months before due to "porn addiction", but that is besides the point.
If you are wondering how large he is, just posting this for reference.

Main tweet

Spoiler: Epstein

Jinu's "break"
archive

Someone also decided to link that Jinu admitted to this anyways if you think this could have been faked.

 

[teriyakiburns]

(Why aren't they considering this word to be a slur instead? Strange priorities.)

Give them a couple of years.

 

[Baymax]

but removing it is honestly far stupider than whatever dark sorcery led herm to be a fetish to begin with

Well, it has mythological roots from Ancient Greek with Artemis and Hermaphroditus.
So there is at least that.

 

[didelphigina]

Thought I would post here but a popular porn artist, Jinusenpai, was outed as a pedophile recently. Now you might be asking how? Some other pedophile decided to tell on themselves to some DMs way back when where Jinu talks about abducting and raping children, "corrupting your mind with niggermeat" etc. He already decided to take a break two months before due to "porn addiction", but that is besides the point.

To give additional context, when he talked about his porn addiction issue on Furaffinity, he specifically stated that he was in "taboo spaces doing rp's of taboo kinks", and considering it's most likely that "taboo kink" was him talking about doing horrendous things to children, I think we all know where this was going. He also talked about his prioritization of maintaining a following over his mental health, which also could be an additional reason to his decline to more messed up ""kinks"".

Additionally, he was also caught being into scat several months ago after someone leaked his hidden scat account, jinxseptic, with only one being salvaged on rule34 (NSFL)—though it's thumbnail-only as the general post got deleted. The whole situation happened a month before his eventual journal about taking a break. Coincidence? I think not.

This isn't even surprising somehow. Strange, a lot of furry artists are being outed being into kids as of late, and at an alarming rate, too. Curious. I wonder why? Is it that hard to not express such kinks to anyone, no matter how much you feel entrusted to share it around them? You shouldn't be into it at all, though. So I don't know what I'm saying. You should've gotten therapy the second you started thinking about wanting to diddle kids but no, you instead put it into a roleplay. A disgusting one at that. I hardly get uncomfortable reading through things but reading through that video was something I could not stomach through. It's unsurprising for a furry who lives and breathes porn but surprising for me to have a genuine reaction to it beyond "yeah, yeah, another furry outed as a kiddy lover—more news at 11". Yeesh.

This is one of the largest furry artists being outed, by the way. 210K followers. People will absolutely not let this go. Interesting to see what other things that'll come out about Jinu.

Also, it's most likely he'll delete it since that post on Twitter's gaining a lot more attention than ever before so here's an archive of the post, along with archived proof of his alternate, most likely scat account, existing.

Oh, and here are some other additional things.

Spoiler: additional jargon

Apparently he deleted his Discord server? Or his Discord altogether? Not sure. But I'm assuming server.

If only you knew the taboo he exactly was doing, Mr. Rolf.

Someone is already defending him. While they may have a point it could very well be done for "grudge" purposes since why did it take when Jinu was going on a break for the person to suddenly submit the video? Who did they originally send it to? Some things absolutely don't add up but it still happened, both parties are guilty to no end and it's still inexcusable.

 

[Gog & Magog]

https://xcancel.com/FurryFootage I feel mentally ill after scrolling through this page. wtf is this autism.

 

[who dare wins?]

Strange, a lot of furry artists are being outed being into kids as of late, and at an alarming rate, too. Curious. I wonder why?

I do remember some sharty thread talking about how welwraith, teckworks, actslu (or whatever his name is) even goonie etc were involved in some much larger EPI/CP ring where they create and distribute animated child porn or groom people. I sadly do not have the thread (it got nuked when /raid/ got wiped at some point) but it is extremely clear these people are involved in something a lot deeper in either trying to groom people or sharing their sick desires. This is just the furry porn version of the illuminati/joos behind everything.

Also I do think it might be let go. I mean dogsmith was accused of being a pedo and he admitted he privately drew cub porn/teenage porn. However he more or less got away with it, although there is now a divide in the freaking incest/milf/whatever furry pornography community.

 

[sex haver]

https://xcancel.com/FurryFootage I feel mentally ill after scrolling through this page. wtf is this autism.

Oh this guy, hahah. This is just old media archiving, except with the "twist" that it is furry media. The past few weeks you've probably seen the huge sperg out with video game archiving. I have no idea why archiving old media is a common autistic fixation but honestly this is kinda just harmless.

Now if you want funny info, the whole "furry found footage" thing is a rebranding from their extensive history on FurAffinity (NSFW, of course) under the name "Aurelina" because they have spent literal decades commissioning and writing some of the most horrendously disgusting fat, inflation, fart, and slob art you could possibly ever imagine. Looking now it appears they've purged some of the worst stuff as their gallery only goes back two pages to 2018, but I know they go much, much farther back than that.

In fact, just two months ago:

Spoiler: NSFW and really fucking gross fart/fat porn.

So anyway here's "Furry Found Footage" with a feral rainbow-maned horse that has been forcefed into a literal blob of fat, and forced to fart an entire atmosphere worth of gas into their OC's mouth until they are inflated into a sphere of fart gas.



Yep. That exists.

Enjoy that knowledge!

 

[Gog & Magog]

Oh this guy, hahah. This is just old media archiving, except with the "twist" that it is furry media. The past few weeks you've probably seen the huge sperg out with video game archiving. I have no idea why archiving old media is a common autistic fixation but honestly this is kinda just harmless.

I hate this and I hate you and I hate everything.

 

[AI Wendigo]

Also I do think it might be let go. I mean dogsmith was accused of being a pedo and he admitted he privately drew cub porn/teenage porn. However he more or less got away with it, although there is now a divide in the freaking incest/milf/whatever furry pornography community.

Just like Jasonafex grooming his child bride. The furry fandom has a serious issue with excusing pedophiles if the porn is good enough.