US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Ass to Ass]

All I know is all the thread tourists are shrieking it's two more weeks to another forever war, while the administration is flat out saying we aren't sending soldiers to Iran. Who do I believe? The president and his vice president or online retards who want to troll Trump supporters?

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb Iran. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb the Iranian nuclear program. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to kill the Ayatollah. Netanyahu gave the go-ahead anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he wasn't going to order the US armed forces to strike Iran. Cue last night.

Are you beginning to see a (((pattern))) here?

ETA the fact that Trump kept saying he was close to making a nuclear deal with Iran, all the while Iran said "we will not stop enriching, it is our right" repeatedly the whole time.

 

[Goku 1000000 O]

So is Senator Bloodfeast getting his Iran war, or is America really only stopping with the bunker busters?

Iran would have to really really fuck up for us to get boots on the ground.

We’ll probably drop more bombs and there’s the chance of Iran backing terror attacks. It’ll be a clusterfuck.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

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Lindsay may get more openly excited and start cooming, but Bolton really is the real Holden Bloodfeast.

If boots end up on the ground, or an air war turns into nation building, I will put the burger suit on

 

[ChooChooChooseMe]

Assuming they actually moved all the nuclear material out before the attack, what can they actually do with it now. I'd assume if it did happen, we pretty much know where they took it anyway since we probably have eyes on all of the facilities 24/7 from space.

 

[Americunt]

"Guys it's no big deal, Iran can't do shit to our military, the worst thing that could happen is they fund and support domestic terrorist attacks on US soil"

Do some of you hear yourselves?

 

[The Last Stand]

Who do I believe? The president and his vice president or online retards who want to troll Trump supporters?

Do bear in mind that Trump posted an AI video of him and Netanyahu together, SHIRTLESS, after Trump reclaimed Gaza for Israel. I do not know geopolitics, particularly Israel's stake against Iran, but that tells me that one of Trump's goals as President is for Israel to reclaim themselves or something. Which I have to ask: what does that have to do with America's welfare?

 

[Sneed Lurker]

Bombing a country to rubble and then leaving the country alone to form their own government in the aftermath is a long-term plan so retarded that even Jews are going to see what's wrong with it. You're going to end up with Iran ruled by Super ISIS.

Our mistake was trying to nation build and introduce democracy to a people who didn't want it.
Our mistake was trying to play politics and sponser militants that became the terrorists of tomorrow.
Our best option is to use our air superiority to level their leadership, cripple their military infrastructure and let whoever is left of the 90 million locals pick up th pieces, be it as a unified Iran or a collection of warlord states.

That would accomplish the goals of preventing Iran from being a player in the ME, without the need for a forever war.

There's only one real solution to build a stable functioning country in the Middle East after we invade a nation: mass ethnic cleansing. These people will never forget what we did to them, they will never give up and they will always hate our guts no matter what we do. We have to wipe every single one of them out and build a new country without them. Obviously America will never solve this problem that we're continually repeating over and over again because of the ethics reasons involved and because the optics are beyond career destroying. Nobody is willing to be the one to attach their name to mass ethnically cleansing Iraq or Iran

 

[GPRIMACADO]

You guys really need to drop it with the USS liberty shit, it comes across as desperate and hurts your cause so effectively it may as well be a mossad psyop.

But a boat that got hit 50 fucking years ago in a friendly fire incident in the middle of a warzone at a time when naval hailing relied on HF and morse code is such a nothing burger if you know anything about naval combat.

It's a ship not a boat, very large one indeed that flew it colors according to one survivor. You just don't attack by air and naval forces on a American Flag waving ship. There's rules ya know. Even more so, when naval IDF sees sailors with US patches on arms and STILL guns them down.

I would also counter respectfully that a incident 50 years ago being desperate is no different than hearing about Lolacaust for 70+ years.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

Xitter might be the sewer of the internet but I'm loving some of these gems.

 

[deleuzeon]

"Guys it's no big deal, Iran can't do shit to our military, the worst thing that could happen is they fund and support domestic terrorist attacks on US soil"

Do some of you hear yourselves?

I've heard Iran talking about death to America my entire life. Now I see a lot of you wishy-washy types having a stroke because we bombed them once, very lightly. Nothing's gonna happen.

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

Okay well I'll circle back around in a few months (or weeks at this rate) and ask you how you feel about boots on the ground when it's reality, I'm sure you'll have some new cope ready by then.

I'll get your burger suit ready, nigger.

 

[Taser Confetti]

"Guys it's no big deal, Iran can't do shit to our military, the worst thing that could happen is they fund and support domestic terrorist attacks on US soil"

Do some of you hear yourselves?

These are the same kind of NAFO troons that tell you to not worry about Russian nukes because they probably don't work anymore.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

But China has to think about it, they can't take that option off the table because the possibility exists. And yes, it would utterly destroy modern China and have vast consequences downstream, but the option has to be on the table. Just like the Chinese keep being caught bringing blights and molds and such into the US and putting back doors into power grid machinery that they could potentially hack and shut down later.

The USA will not attack the three gorges dam;

"With the conflict expanding, China took steps to deter attacks on its nuclear forces and otherstrategic targets.It publicized photos of mobile nuclear-capable missiles, and official mediaquoted anonymous PLA officers who suggested that China might use nuclear weapons inresponse to attacks against nuclear forces, strategic C2 targets, leadership facilities in and aroundBeijing, population and economic centers, nuclear power plants, and major hydroelectric power facilities (such as the Three Gorges Dam). Even before China sent these signals, the United States was already avoiding such targets to avoid provoking nuclear escalation. "

pg40- https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA500/RRA591-1/RAND_RRA591-1.pdf

Anyone telling you that they'll just tomahawk it are literally propagandist whose job is to lull people like you into a false sense of security.

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb Iran. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb the Iranian nuclear program. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to kill the Ayatollah. Netanyahu gave the go-ahead anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he wasn't going to order the US armed forces to strike Iran. Cue last night.

Are you beginning to see a (((pattern))) here?

ETA the fact that Trump kept saying he was close to making a nuclear deal with Iran, all the while Iran said "we will not stop enriching, it is our right" repeatedly the whole time.

Don't even need to debate it any further, they either go quiet or start lying to you about provable facts.

 

[browserbowser]

It's short hand, autist, it's not manipulative.

Use of the second person and generalist collective terms is a passive manipulative tactic older than the English language and easily understood by people who aren't retarded. It's a simple and effective means by which to pressure people into agreement with your position and force an 'us vs them' dynamic.

And saying it's just shorthand when its use strengthens a key component of one of the major arguments made by terrorists for striking civilians/civilian infrastructure in democratic countries isn't particularly intelligent. Say 'the U.S. government' if that is who you're speaking about. Rather than attempting to include everyone in the U.S. with the government's military considerations and actions abroad.

At a minimum, it's less inaccurate and makes you sound less folksy. Which if you didn't know, is the polite way to call someone retarded.

 

[DumbDude43]

Bombing a country to rubble and then leaving the country alone to form their own government in the aftermath is a long-term plan so retarded that even Jews are going to see what's wrong with it. You're going to end up with Iran ruled by Super ISIS.

more like you'll end up with a destitute ruined wasteland ruled by super isis.
doesn't really matter how insane and retarded the new government is. with the state in shambles, the military destroyed, and the economy in ruins, they can't pose a threat to anyone but their immediate neighbors for quite some time. should they ever get close to posing a threat again, there's nothing stopping america from just repeating the same thing again fifty years later.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb Iran. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to bomb the Iranian nuclear program. Netanyahu did it anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he didn't want Israel to kill the Ayatollah. Netanyahu gave the go-ahead anyway.

Trump told Netanyahu he wasn't going to order the US armed forces to strike Iran. Cue last night.

Are you beginning to see a (((pattern))) here?

ETA the fact that Trump kept saying he was close to making a nuclear deal with Iran, all the while Iran said "we will not stop enriching, it is our right" repeatedly the whole time.

Yeah. Deception works against dumb inbred Muslims.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

All I know is all the thread tourists are shrieking it's two more weeks to another forever war, while the administration is flat out saying we aren't sending soldiers to Iran.

The administration is going to do whatever they feel they need to, like always. We went from "Israel can handle it" to Ted Cruz having diarrhea of the mouth-faucet and admitting the US has been assisting Israel in bombings. This led to even more bombings, except the US was willing to admit to them this time. At this rate, the cope by next weekend will be "Well it's only a few boots on the ground, it's only specialized teams!"

In a fucked up sort of way, public opinion back home is just another enemy the US military plans to fight. It's very easy to sway public opinion into not supporting military action overseas. It's also cheaper and more likely to succeed than a slugging match with a country that funds DARPA. Trump will absolutely shelve populism for a while and do whatever he thinks is best for Israel if he has reason to believe foreign groups are trying to undermine American military operations by pulling another Vietnam-style "War bad" campaign.

 

[JayseeDenton]

If boots end up on the ground

Define this before you make promises. If special forces operations count you may have already lost, it might come out there have already been some US ground operators in Iran for months even if it's just scouting operations. There are a lot of off the books operations going on that aren't announced publicly and that goes for russia and china and most major players. The invisible war is a very real thing.

Edit: To be clear if this has been going on I imagine it has been going on for years.

turns into nation building

If this happens i'm going to seethe shid and fard but i don't see it. Doesn't seem like trump's style, he likes low risk high reward.

 

[Americunt]

There's only one real solution to build a stable functioning country in the Middle East after we invade a nation: mass ethnic cleansing. These people will never forget what we did to them, they will never give up and they will always hate our guts no matter what we do. We have to wipe every single one of them out and build a new country without them. Obviously America will never solve the problem they're continually repeating over and over again, because the optics are beyond career destroying. Nobody is willing to be the one to attach their name to mass ethnically cleansing Iraq or Iran

Or here's an idea, stop giving Israel everything they want, and don't involve ourselves in bombing campaigns, regime change, and nation building. The countries in the middle east hate us for one reason, and honestly a pretty reasonable one: we're Israel's big brother that beats up other kids they started a fight with, and we never bare any meaningful consequences for continuing to do it.

We don't need to engage Generalplan Mitte Ost, we literally just need to get the fuck out of Dodge and let Israel deal with their own problems, but of course that will never happen.