US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I think its pretty clear that it's de-escalating now. The Trump admin has repeatably stated the strike was only to crush the Iranian nuclear weapons program. Even going as far as to state that the goal was not regime change.

other than saber -rattling the Iranians have not done much in response, nor have their proxies. I think it likely that they will make a show out of a response by striking something, but not a target that would draw out further US attacks.

If you recall they did this after Trump killed Soleimani. they struck a US base but targeted only hangers and old buildings along with projecting their attack hours before to minimize US causalities.

this type of response allows the Iranian government to save face, while also demonstrating that they want to take a off-ramp from further escalation.

"B-but muh Israel"

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I feel like you've missed the last four years of the military failing to meet recruiting goals.

If boots hit the ground, there will be a draft because nobody will be willing to volunteer in a war that is very clearly entirely about jewish supremacy and not much else.

Remember, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction too...until they didn't.

Don't fall for the jewish tricks and think that our intelligence community got it wrong while Mossad got it right.

There is 20 years worth of vets in the reserve system. Those would be called up first and would likely be enough. It'd be political suicide of course.

A draft would legit cause nationwide riots a la the New York draft riots during the US civil war.

Multi-media propagation in the modern social media space. It's basic propaganda, and I'm not even using that as a bad or malicious thing. It's what you have to do if you're running any kind of campaign or response in order to have the most impact.

I believe more in the dead internet theory more ever day.

 

[Chuckwagon]

I’m talking about the millennium of peace between the crusades and now, where Muslims, Christians and a handful of Jews all lived in peace.

Before borders were artificially drawn, and invading Askenazi Jews from Europe blew up the region, leading to five wars and a displaced population that’s is a security and stability problem region wide.

Nice try but we’re talking about modern times, not the crusades or the Romans or Phoenician or whatever.

This is an oversimplification. Even Ottoman Syria (actually meaning the entire Western Levant, since to both the Arabs and Turks of that time, the whole region was 'Syria' or Al-Sham) was actually a rather unstable place, with much power devolved to feudal emirs (not all of whom were Muslim, especially in what we now know as Lebanon) that the Sultan relied on to keep the peace & collect taxes in the countryside while the actual Ottoman governors mostly governed only in the cities. These emirs fought each other with surprising frequency for a region always shown as firmly Ottoman on maps (sectarian & tribal tensions built upon personal animosities & disputes over territory/wealth between the emirs) and were fiercely possessive of their autonomy, some even dared try to push for independence from the Turks in the 17th century with support from Catholic kingdoms (in that case, Medici-ruled Tuscany, but it didn't end well since the Ottomans had not become the Sick Man of Europe yet).

As another example of pre-WW1 sectarian turmoil in Ottoman Syria, the French first established influence in Lebanon before the first Zionist settlers could've arrived or were even born because historically good Druze-Christian relations broke down in the 19th century and the former had a mass nigger moment aimed squarely at the latter (further backed by the Turkish authorities who were hoping to take the increasingly prosperous Christians down a peg), giving Napoleon III a humanitarian excuse to go in while the buckbroken Sick Man of Europe couldn't do much about it. Most of the actual fighting happened in Lebanon, but the biggest massacre was a Sunni Muslim/Druze teamup against Christians living in Damascus, directly precipitating the French intervention.

In the case of the territories of modern-day Israel/Palestine specifically, that region was a feudal-tribal backwater for almost the entire time under Ottoman rule, with all the poverty and troubles that that implies. Jerusalem itself had a comically tiny population for a city (though back then it could, at best, be classified as a modest town) everyone & their mother thought was worth fighting & dying over, as low as 8k people at the start of the 19th century and not exceeding 50k until after WW1.

 

[JayseeDenton]

I genuinely do not understand the utilization of these bots by both sides at this point. its so transparent and easily found.

It is retarded but china proved it works so everyone has to play ball now.

 

[Americunt]

I had to double-check that Barron Trump account. It's not actually him, but it is verified. What a stupid fucking platform.

Probably tagged with "Parody Account"? Idk why even THAT's allowed, but even putting all of that aside, idt it should be allowed to "ironically" impersonate the President's son just so you can run an epic heckin right wing meme account.

 

[Ishtar]

The shill bots/engagement farmers are out on full force now
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There may come a day when you are better off genuinely not using the internet, and anything you see or read is a concerted propaganda campaign to deceive you. We aren't there yet, but we seem to be getting there.

 

[Moonglade Feral Druid]

That doesn't really sound like a Glock w/ a switch, it sounded like an AK. Might be an FRT, but could have been a select-fire.

Sounds like a higher cyclic rate than an AK, like an overgassed AR15. Would be the more likely candidate based on prevalence.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

Here's my take: WW3 concern is besides the point. There should not have even been a single bomb sent there.

How much did that bombing run cost? Could we not have pulled another option, like pulling some guys from the "Tracking edgy memes" division to run a hack ontheir shit? Or, much better, get our "allies" to do this instead? Like the one that we have given billions to in weapons and aid, for this exact reason?

Why do we need to wipe out the deficit advantage we got from DOGE on more bombs for the third world? That's the part I am stuck on, especially the killing of jobcorp. I knew people personally that were going into jobcorp for welding. The program sounded bad with a 30% graduation rate, but considering that those graduates were going into highly relevant jobs their employment rate was actually better than any college you could think of. 100,000 a student? You take the taxation on a journeyman welder for ten years, that program has already paid for itself even with dead weight. But it had problems. Has trump replaced that program with something else that works better? Nope, more money to bomb middle east sorry.

People wanted two things from his presidency: Fix the economy and get out of bullshit wars. The former he has put in the tariff protections and removed the illegal labor clogging the field, but hasn't delivered on any form of incentive or training to kickstart it. Now he just has the latter, but is putting it all in Jeopardy by joining in on Iran.

The middle east war was barely held aloft vack in the 2000's, but after the reveal of no WMD's and watching the effort put there crumple like wet cardboard the second we leave has made it overwhelmingly unpopular. This is probably the most pro-trump place I visit, and even here I see people saying they would shoot their commander before the enemy. Palestine was so unpopular you had muslims and other shitskins violating programming and voting for trump (or at least not for dems) in droves, and now he wants to shoot himself in the leg like this?

 

[Unzen]

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Looks like Vance isn't looking forward to the debate he'll be having with Newsom in the future.

 

[Potion_Time]

There is 20 years worth of vets in the reserve system. Those would be called up first and would likely be enough. It'd be political suicide of course.

You think I'm picking up a rifle for this bullshit? I would be more than happy to kill whoever comes to my door to pick me up for failure to muster.

I already fought for Israel once and only saw things in my own country get worse.

Attacks on all non civilians in the US would be justified if they ever attempted to muster the IRR to fight another jewish war that nobody but the jewish cock holsters in Washington want.

 

[Sneed Lurker]

Too bad the shooter missed

3 letter agent glow so bright! this shit would have happened no matter who was president

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"Over the coming years" is just confirmation that isn't just a one and done thing. This never ends with one strike, they never learn when to just quit. This ends when Iran gets regime changed.

 

[majob]

Looks like Vance isn't looking forward to the debate he'll be having with Newsom in the future.

We're barely six months into the term. People will have forgotten about this by September

 

[The handsome tard]

I have been studying the situation a bit before commenting majorly on it, mostly because Im not a dopamine addicted idiot that is excited to run here to throw the "FUCK YOU, MAGATARDS, I WAS RIGHT" (you know who you are). This is a serious situation that needs to be approached with a "grand scheme" perspective. Anyway...



Anyone blaming Trump is missing the whole point of the issue, same goes to anyone throwing the "fell for it" or "This wouldnt have happened under Kamala". First off, it should be made very very much clear that even his biggest supporters are disagreeing heavily over this and thats very important to recognize. Second off, the war machine owns both the democrats and republicans so to blame one side over the other is EXACTLY what they want you to do because, by giving in to tribalism, you dont focus on the stuff that matters.

This is something that has been going on before Trump, Biden, Obama and even Bush, all orchestrated by people who dont give a shit about our political scene, only their own.

A serious issue with America has always been bowing down to foreign interests, especially Israel's and this moment really really demonstrates shamelessly the influence they have when Trump straight up breaks a shit load of promises in his 6 months. "OMG, a nuke" has been always the nation equivalent of "he's had a gun!" and America folded independently of which side was running the show, everytime.

Dont focus on Trump, focus on the board and who is throwing money in exchange for power and boots on the ground.

Ah yes, before someone thinks that Im defending Trump, Im absolutely fucking not, he just disappointed a lot of conservatives who now need to hear tribalistic democrats throwing the usual "Wouldnt have happened if this or that" yadayadayada (who I already said are ignoring the real issue and are just using the situation to get some dopamine). I worry what this will bring to his remaining campaign but respect is hard to earn and very easy to lose and I doubt even his supporters are going to forget he went back on his word. That isnt to say its completely over for him but this has been a very bad start, especially in these times where all we want is to stop getting involved in other nations and fix our damn own. In either case, his enemies just got a LOT of ammo against him and thats entirely on him and his supporters have every right to be pissed at him.

I just want America to be fixed but it seems that the *insert title of Karl Marx's second best seller book, you know the one* is one that needs to be actually asked and addressed for god damn real before its too late.

Either way...

This meme summarizes the situation pretty damn well.



Anyone not blinded by tribalism knows this to be true.

Edit: Typos

 

[TheBigRevelator]

I think its pretty clear that it's de-escalating now. The Trump admin has repeatably stated the strike was only to crush the Iranian nuclear weapons program. Even going as far as to state that the goal was not regime change.

other than saber -rattling the Iranians have not done much in response, nor have their proxies. I think it likely that they will make a show out of a response by striking something, but not a target that would draw out further US attacks.

If you recall they did this after Trump killed Soleimani. they struck a US base but targeted only hangers and old buildings along with projecting their attack hours before to minimize US causalities.

this type of response allows the Iranian government to save face, while also demonstrating that they want to take a off-ramp from further escalation.

This would be the best outcome and would save Trump's admin. I pray this is what will go down and Iran will just back down like bitches. Hopefully we just exit the conflict now.

 

[We Are The Witches]

everybody seems to still know damn well that US hegemony is the only option for world stability and as such the US will be able to do whatever the fuck it wants

That won't be happening.

Also, the history & interests of the US are just as crooked as many others, if not more. Your ideal world-police will always be this corrupt force with its own selfish interests, as it has been evidenced with previous wars.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Too bad the shooter missed

Ban this fuck.

 

[Moonglade Feral Druid]

Security shots aren't exactly legal - I hope security guard bro is okay but that was ill advised.

Too little info to go on still, though even pinned under a vehicle they're still a threat if they can still hold a gun.

Given the guard got shot in the leg, there's reason enough.

 

[David Brown]

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See it's this type of statement that makes people skeptical that America's involvement in the conflict has peaked and now the US military will de-escalate. I still am not convinced that US ground troops will be committed but anyone could watch that video and know that it looks really fuckin bad and is a total sweep job from Janny Vancy. This optically really makes Trump look like a chump who was punked out by Bibi, even if that's not what really happened. Its a bad look overall. I'm still optimistic though.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

You think I'm picking up a rifle for this bullshit? I would be more than happy to kill whoever comes to my door to pick me up for failure to muster.

I already fought for Israel once and only saw things in my own country get worse.

Attacks on all non civilians in the US would be justified if they ever attempted to muster the IRR to fight another jewish war that nobody but the jewish cock holsters in Washington want.

well, that's good because its not going to happen.

 

[umseriously]

Let's wait a month before doomposting. You all will look downright foolish if a year passes and we still aren't actually in war with Iran. If boots aren't on the ground in 2 weeks, this doomposting will look retarded.