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AOC floats Trump impeachment over Iran strikes​

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Saturday floated the prospect of impeaching President Trump for striking Iran without explicit authorization from Congress.

Why it matters: It's a shocking declaration by one of House Democrats' most high-profile progressives at a time when most in the party are instinctively rejecting the mere mention of impeachment.
  • Considerable intra-party scorn has been heaped on Reps. Shri Thanedar (D-Mich.) and Al Green (D-Texas) for floating votes on impeaching Trump.
  • A White House spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Driving the news: "The President's disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers," Ocasio-Cortez posted on X.
  • "He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations," she wrote. "It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment."
  • "More soon," Ocasio-Cortez's reelection campaign wrote in a fundraising email obtained by Axios.
Zoom out: The call for impeachment puts Ocasio-Cortez on the far end of Democrats' spectrum of responses, but it reflects the broad anger with which the party has reacted to Trump's unilateral actions.
  • Trump "failed to seek congressional authorization for the use of military force and risks American entanglement in a potentially disastrous war in the Middle East," House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said in a statement.
  • He added: "Donald Trump shoulders complete and total responsibility for any adverse consequences that flow from his unilateral military action."
 
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vanilla_pepsi_head said:
Clinton being impeached for a blowjob was probably the point where impeachment became total clown shoes bullshit.
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It was still based around perjury, which is a crime, is unequivocally what he did, and is in-line with that they would've got Nixon on had he not pulled a "you can't fire me I quit" : Misconduct during a judicial investigation because the results of it would've turned up embarrassing (but maybe still legal) dirty laundry.

The era of clownshoes impeachments didn't start until they wanted to get Trump out, but, because as bad (or "bad") as he was? He wouldn't actually break a law? That they created two impeachment cases out of thin air that failed because he either didn't actually do what they said he did (He didn't call for insurrection) or his actions were not crimes (it is not abuse of power to tell a foreign nation they won't get anymore aid unless they take steps to be less corrupt) .

The whole post-first-term conviction was just a 3rd impeachment that only worked because they forum shopped for a Judge and jurisdiction where they could stack the deck. And even it fell apart.
 
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TowinKarz said:
The era of clownshoes impeachments didn't start until they wanted to get Trump out, but, because as bad (or "bad") as he was? He wouldn't actually break a law? That they created two impeachment cases out of thin air that failed because he either didn't actually do what they said he did (He didn't call for insurrection) or his actions were not crimes (it is not abuse of power to tell a foreign nation they won't get anymore aid unless they take steps to be less corrupt) .
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To be fair, that's consistent with how AOC, probably the Democratic Party, actually feels:


“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,”
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says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors. https://cbsn.ws/2GYii3B
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Angry Alt Right Nerd said:
Guys, you have to remember that this is somehow not Trump's fault because the liberals are bad too
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If trump ONLY does this, then I can forgive him. Its technically a broken promise, but everyone breaks promises eventually.
Now if he puts troops on the ground or (and I know this is extremely unlikely but still) starts a draft then I might change my view on Trump. But as of now I am still happy with my vote.
And as I said before, if Kamala had won she 100% would have started shit with Russia. So this whole "MUH EVIL CONSERVATIVES MUH EVIL LIBERALS" dogshit is meaningless because aside from this Trump has been very hands off with the concept of war, while the left only pulled out of Afghanistan to try and save face, despite being more bloodthirsty than the right.
 
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frozen_runner said:
The President has routinely exercised the right to time-limited military strikes without congressional approval since... fuck, is it George Dubya? Is it even before that? I can't remember.
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Ford sent in US troops during the Maguayez Incident (and got 2 Marines killed: casualties happen but this was fucking tragic, the helos carrying them just took off and left without them and the Khmer Rouge murdered both of 'em).

Carter began Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan, a de facto proxy war against the USSR fomented by the CIA after the Soviets invaded in 1979.

Reagan's CIA ran the Contras, there was Opn. El Dorado Canyon, and Opn. Urgent Fury just to name a couple.

Bush had Just Cause!, again, no Congressional approval was sought.

Clinton did Somalia, again, no congressional approval. Same with Operation Allied Force, etc. etc.

Bush II's actions would take me too long to list out.

Obama executed US Citizens without ANYONE'S approval.

There is no case of a president ever acting outside the war powers act and getting serious blowback from it, to the best of my knowledge.
 
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Lone MacReady II said:
Here's the thing horse face, you all have to go. Donny, you, and all the other AIPAC babysat puppets
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I don't like AOC for other reasons but she rejects AIPAC and other Jewish lobbyist contributions. Which is probably the one redeeming quality of that horse.
 
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Why even bother? The lawfare and tying up everything Zion Don tries to do in court bullshittery has been way more effective at stonewalling his admin than impeachment ever was. Besides, another failed impeachment attempt will probably just improve his popularity.
 
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Tsukasa Kadoya said:
the left only pulled out of Afghanistan to try and save face, despite being more bloodthirsty than the right.
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They had no care about saving face at all, they only pulled out because they HAD to due to an agreement the previous Admin signed after numerous attempts to roadblock any such thing. Then they foolishly tried to just ignore it and then got caught with their pants down, lost billions in equipment and thousands in lives and at the end of the day wept not for all the servicemen who lost their lives in vain in that hellhole, but the fact the Taliban were tearing down their LGBTQ posters.
 
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Angry Alt Right Nerd said:
Guys, you have to remember that this is somehow not Trump's fault because the liberals are bad too
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His fault? Shit, it's his honor.

This needed to be done by someone. Also the Persians can't and won't do anything about this.

If it stops here, it's free real estate.
TowinKarz said:
It was still based around perjury, which is a crime
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It's a crime but the debate is about whether it qualifies as a "high crime or misdemeanor".

It's a judgment call.

Intuitively, I would say that lying to congress is generally a high crime or misdemeanor, but if congress is grilling you over irrelevant bullshit that's none of their business and that's what you lie about... Idk I'm not really feeling it.

I'm no Clinton fan but his impeachment was pretty silly.
 
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The Dems trying to be the anti intervention party is hypocritical but smart politically. There were a sizable amount of voters in the Rust Belt that voted for Trump to be the peace, anti intervention candidate. These are politically homeless voters but don't really see themselves as Republican, Trump pissed a lot of them off last night. The Democrats want nothing but power and they are going to try and siphon these people off and if they do it will be very bad for Republicans in a year from now.
 
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AOC has been banging the same drum for a decade, and it hasn’t worked. If she wants to spend the rest of her career feeling good about herself, and making her Twitter followers feel good about themselves, sure, keep it up. Pornography is a recession-proof industry. But if I were in AOC's position, and viewed fighting Trump as a major part of my professional identity, at a certain point I’d start to feel a bit of shame over my track record.
 
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Think about it. If the president couldn't order the military to go bomb Iran, why did the military go bomb Iran when the president told them to? If it was against the rules, the military wouldn't have done it. They would have said, "Sorry Mr. President. We need the explicit permission of Congress before we take any action."

Because he is allowed to do it. He did it. Cry about it to someone else.
 
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