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I mean that covers Beirut, although the Marines were there as peacekeepers, but which Iranian proxies were we countering in Iraq? That's why ginsu'd their one general.
Iraq is a Shia majority state. Saddam's regime was an undemocratic, secular, but ethnically Sunni minority government. We thought it would be a bright idea to overthrow him and let the people decide who to run them. The very predictable outcome of this is for the people to elect a Shia government. Only at this point did we go 'oh shit, now we have to make sure this natural ally of Iran never becomes an actual ally of Iran.' Hence the forever war.

This war was a retarded three-way fight. You had the Ba'athist remnants (secular), who opposed us for obvious regions. You had the Saudi-backed Sunni Salafi groups, who were associated with al-Qaeda and, later, ISIS. And then you had the Special Groups, who were Shia and Iran-aligned, being funded by the Ayatollah and even directly swearing loyalty to him in some cases. We ostensibly supported the leader of the democratically elected government, yet that leader used the Special Groups to counter Sunni insurgencies and to mop up the remnants of Saddam loyalists, and so his entire power base was loyal to Iran. Our soldiers were constantly being sniped at by both Shia and Salafi groups during our occupation, both of which were acting as catspaws for Iran and the Saudis, respectively.

The Iraqi army then folded like a paper fan when we left and ISIS swept in. When Trump intervened and crushed ISIS, a big factor in the victory was the fact that these Special Groups were officially folded in to the Iraqi command structure as the PMF, and these forces were much more effective than Iraq's army had been. However the relationship immediately soured, as the allied Shia forces claimed that they were being bombed by Israeli drones in 2019 and that America was turning a blind eye. The inability of Trump to respond to these accusations (because he is Israel's bitch) let to a fatwa against American troops in Iraq, which Trump then responded to by bombing several of their bases. This was then followed up by us bombing several more of their bases and assassinating Soleimani. We have been bombing them since, and they have become more aggressive towards our troops, who were previously treated as allies against the Islamic State.

This is part of why I hate Israel. We can't do shit in the Middle East because they constantly fuck everything up and bribe/blackmail our politicians to let them do whatever they want. It would have been great for us to leave Iraq as a buffer state between the Saudis and Iran, in which they would fight one another to exhaustion for the foreseeable future. But Israel would never tolerate that, because the Iranian presence in Iraq allows them to smuggle weapons to their proxies near Israel. I understand Israel having this position, but them turning us into their instrument in doing so harms larger American/Western interests in the Middle East. In this case, it soured our relationship with a very effective ally, one which is now folded into the Iraqi state, causing unnecessary friction in a region which is volatile enough as it is and putting American soldiers in more danger.
turkey yes, but i really don't see the saudis having imperial ambition.
my impression is that they are perfectly content with their state as is, their foreign policy seems aimed only at securing stability for their state and wealth for their family.
there is lots of corruption and incompetence in the house of saud, but little to no appetite for territorial expansion or regional hegemony.
They have catspaws throughout the region, just as the Iranians do. The Saudi based Salafi-network stretches into Central Asia, Europe, and across North Africa. They are far, far more assiduous when it comes to having their fingers in every pie than the Turks or even the Iranians. Then there's their governing ideology. The Saudis follow the teachings of Salafism, which stem from the Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiyya. His views on politics can be summed up in one of his favored aphorisms, drawn from Hadith: 'A king is the shadow of God on His earth. Who honors him will be honored by God, and who despises him will be despised by God.' Their view of Monarchy is absolute, and they view all non-Salafi sects of Islam as heretical, even other Sunnis. The Saudis spread soft power by using their oil money to fund and spread Salafism - the money is a means to an end (power), not an end itself.

Before the Saudis came to power, Salafism was an obscure sect relegated to the margins of Arabia, in the desolate Najd. With oil money at their disposal, it has spread like wildfire not just through the Middle East but through the rest of the world as well. Look up which kind of mosque just about any terrorist in the West went to and you'll start to notice a bit of a pattern. And wherever it spreads, so does Saudi influence.
 
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I'll be honest... I don't think we should've gotten involved here but as long as we don't get into a long drawn out ground war I don't really care if we bomb a target here and there. He did that in his first term too dropping bombs on ISIS but maybe people don't remember that.
That said fuck Israel and Iran. The entire Middle East needs to be glassed.
 
Why haven't they learned their lesson? Its because of their insane amounts of arrogance, all the way up to hubris. These people believe that they can rules-lawyer GOD, an omniscient and omnipotent being through their own human, flawed, and imprecise understanding of His Divine Will. Once you start looking into the mental gymnastics they contort themselves into to claim that things like; running a string around their house, sacrificing chickens, sucking mutilated baby dicks, etc, all somehow make them immune to God's Judgement you will see what I mean. They make Sovereign Citizens look sane, grounded, and humble by comparison.

Once you understand that these people think they can outwit GOD, it becomes obvious that they'd think they are able to control whatever golem they manifest, whether it be the COVID situation, the economy, the Afghanistan withdrawal, and so on. Whenever one scheme fails, it is inevitable that the next Jew will smugly say to himself, "Ah, but I'm so much smarter than Schlomo and GOD, surely I can make it work!"

And around and around we go.

It's much worse than that. By saying that with a few rituals and chants that you can effectively control GOD, you've simply reduced the supposed allmighty into a slave to do your bidding. Why worship the slave when you should worship the master? Jews do not worship a god at all, but instead they worship themselves. The modern satanic idea of elevating yourself above God and taking his place almost certainly came from Talmudic thought.
 
That Tammy Bruce interview posted several pages back leaves me scratching my head. The level of Israel cock sucking (who says lesbians don't like to suck dick, lol) is so off the charts that I wonder if it is meant to purposely drum up anti Israel support, along with some of the dumb shit Ted Cruz said in his Tucker interview the other day. I can't remember a time when US government officials were so blatant with their pro-Israel support.... maybe in the wake of the USS Liberty incident? If not, it's a damn shame and, quite frankly, treasonous that our governmental officials are so beholden to a foreign state.
Is it that they're so beholden, or are people just noticing now? If it's true and support for Israel is down to sub 10% in the US, that's a "shut it down" tier thing for our "greatest ally." False flag, get us into a foreverwar on their behalf, et cetera.
Problem is Japan is an ally , and since they do not have the tendency of dragging us in to 20yr sand wars? A well liked one as well. So yes, Americans would care/help if China bombed Japan
Well, it's complicated. Japan is an ally, but they're also "white adjacent" and an ethnostate. It's a toss up if the left would be willing to openly defy their communist allies over in the CCP to support Japan over them. I mean, on the one hand, all that cheap slave labor produced plastic shit. On the other, all that delightful anime child porn. Tough call, if you're a leftist!
>they don't know where it is
You're fucking with me.
Hold on, I'm sure Colin Powell will address congress shortly with some satellite scans pointing out where it's at and clear all this up right away.
 
Israel always strikes water plants, sewerage plants, bridges and power infrastructure. Their goal is to make life as unpleasant as possible for civilians, not just to hit military targets.
That's where you're wrong. They don't consider non-jews to be human, yet alone civilians. War crime? That's like calling a negro a racist, it doesn't make sense, goy!

The only two countries capable of providing nuclear weapons while being able to flip off America are Russia and China. Russia is currently mired in a war that demands its full attention, and after the bombing China is probably eyeing the Three Gorges Dam with some concern. I'll believe Iran is nuclear when Tel Aviv goes up in a mushroom cloud.
Would the Iron Dome even stop a nuke? Or would it just cause it to explode mid-air and radiate the entire region instead?
 
I liked the part where Israel said it was just going after Nuclear and Military installations and then bombed a prison and their power grid. Next, they'll drill a missile into a High School full of kids and say it was actually a secret, underground bunker where the "real" nuclear program was being developed. Can't wait.

MIGA. It's cannon now, boys. Typed out by the orange fingers themselves. MIGA forever.
MIGA is the new programming after TACO Trump was a flop.
 
The only two countries capable of providing nuclear weapons while being able to flip off America are Russia and China. Russia is currently mired in a war that demands its full attention, and after the bombing China is probably eyeing the Three Gorges Dam with some concern. I'll believe Iran is nuclear when Tel Aviv goes up in a mushroom cloud.
What's stopping a B-2 dropping a GB57U on the three gorges dam?
 
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Would the Iron Dome even stop a nuke? Or would it just cause it to explode mid-air and radiate the entire region instead?
The Iron Dome hasn't stopped anything in the last week, if Iran launched twenty missiles to Tel Aviv and one of them had a nuke, they'd have a >99% chance of getting through.

The only two countries capable of providing nuclear weapons while being able to flip off America are Russia and China. Russia is currently mired in a war that demands its full attention, and after the bombing China is probably eyeing the Three Gorges Dam with some concern. I'll believe Iran is nuclear when Tel Aviv goes up in a mushroom cloud.
A very elegant solution to all the middle eastern wars, If I were the King of Saudi Arabia, I'd do whatever it takes to get Israel and Iran to nuke each other.

What's stopping a B-2 dropping a GB57U on the three gorges dam?

China's nuclear triad and hundreds of warheads.
 
Is it that they're so beholden, or are people just noticing now? If it's true and support for Israel is down to sub 10% in the US, that's a "shut it down" tier thing for our "greatest ally." False flag, get us into a foreverwar on their behalf, et cetera.

It's not sub-10%. Not even close.



It's right around 50/50. 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Israel now, and 42 percent had an unfavorable opinion of them in 2023 before the Hamas attacks. There's no evidence that there's been some sort of crash in Israeli support in the US, no matter what the thread's resident /pol/tards believe.
 
They have catspaws throughout the region, just as the Iranians do. The Saudi based Salafi-network stretches into Central Asia, Europe, and across North Africa. They are far, far more assiduous when it comes to having their fingers in every pie than the Turks or even the Iranians. Then there's their governing ideology. The Saudis follow the teachings of Salafism, which stem from the Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiyya. His views on politics can be summed up in one of his favored aphorisms, drawn from Hadith: 'A king is the shadow of God on His earth. Who honors him will be honored by God, and who despises him will be despised by God.' Their view of Monarchy is absolute, and they view all non-Salafi sects of Islam as heretical, even other Sunnis. The Saudis spread soft power by using their oil money to fund and spread Salafism - the money is a means to an end (power), not an end itself.

Before the Saudis came to power, Salafism was an obscure sect relegated to the margins of Arabia, in the desolate Najd. With oil money at their disposal, it has spread like wildfire not just through the Middle East but through the rest of the world as well. Look up which kind of mosque just about any terrorist in the West went to and you'll start to notice a bit of a pattern. And wherever it spreads, so does Saudi influence.
i think the religious connection is different here.
i am aware of the alliance between the house of saud and the salafis under abd al wahhab that goes back all the way to the days when the saudis ruled as emirs of diriyah, but i think it is mostly a pragmatic realpolitik kind of arrangement: the saudi kings enable and sponsor the wahhabi preachers, and in return the wahhabi teachers promote and legitimize the saudi kings among the population.
no doubt those wahhabis use saudi money to spread their teachings abroad, but i do not think that this is in service of saudi schemes for expansion. i think the saudis just throw money at the wahhabis to keep them (and by extension their local population) happy, and the wahhabis then use that funding to spread their teachings as much as possible due to religious conviction.
 
Aren't the riots in the US still happening? Aren't there still 50+ million illegals to deport? Is nothing of note at all happening in the US, or should we rename the thread to "Pointless Sandnigger+Kike sperging?"
 
Aren't the riots in the US still happening? Aren't there still 50+ million illegals to deport? Is nothing of note at all happening in the US, or should we rename the thread to "Pointless Sandnigger+Kike sperging?"
Psst, nothing ever happens. How many times in the last year has some end of the end of the world nightmare situation been going on that the left or right freaks out about? A lot.

None of them last more than 2-3 weeks and then it's something else. Remember New Jersey drones? LA fires? Multiple assassinations on Trump? Bridges collapsing? Tarrifs? ICE? Now Iran. In 2 weeks it'll be something more ludicrous and Iran will be forgotten again.
 
It's not sub-10%. Not even close.



It's right around 50/50. 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Israel now, and 42 percent had an unfavorable opinion of them in 2023 before the Hamas attacks. There's no evidence that there's been some sort of crash in Israeli support in the US, no matter what the thread's resident /pol/tards believe.

Supporting Israel becoming a net-negative issue over two years is still a sizable shift in public opinion, especially when there's no viable way to reverse this trend. If Israel goes from a 60-40 for to 60-40 against issue from 2020 to 2028, guys like AIPAC Watch will have more influence than AIPAC themselves.

Trump won the presidency by campaigning on mass deportations, a 55-45 issue for. You can easily lose the presidency by tying yourself to a 60-40 issue against.
He's getting so bad this long-time Meatball fluffer is catching on to the grift:
I lost respect for the man when he worked against codifying the DOGE cuts.
 
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