2025 Israel vs Iran War

Tbh, how can anyone believe that Iran won't retaliate at lest to some degree? I mean, either they do nothing and get needlessly bombarded by Israel in a provocative manner and forced towards a regime change. Or they retaliate and the same thing happens. I mean, do they even have a choice? All of this feels so fucking engineered.
They have to appear strong internally and to their proxies to retaliate in some way, but they have several issues:
1) They can't retaliate in a way which draws others against them (i.e. Gulf States)
2) They can't retaliate in a way which really SHTF pisses America off (again, invasion is bad for the US but its REALLY BAD for Iran)
3) They physically can't retaliate in certain ways. Israel has attritioned much of their "medium" (long) range ballistic missile launcher trucks. They don't have an air force which can really do much offensively, their navy is really unlikely to be able to do much to the US outside the Persian Gulf, much less the mainland US or any other territory. They have to play the hand they are dealt minus the cards Israel ripped up in the last week.

The Ayatollah's Dilemma is that they "have" to retaliate in a way which convinces their supporters and those on the fence they are still strong while also doing so in a way which doesn't incentivize the US to say "fuck it, take them out".

You support Ukraine because ur gay.
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lol.

Remember when they created an online censorship and internet astroturfing organization to suppress opinions and "hate"?
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Meddling in our intelligence communities to again, alter public opinion, control discourse, censorship, etc.
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They have a tendency to meddle in other countries affairs through us or just in general too, remember the Iceland debacle where they tried to ban circumcision? Shouldn't countries with their own values be allowed to decide their own laws based on said values? For reference, theres like, 0.008% or 300 total Jews living there, so no, they should not be "represented" honestly if the majority thinks circumcision is baby mutilation even if you, the reader, doesn't personally think so.
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The most egregious case thats visible in America, that can't just be handwaived as "well, those are individual Jews or American Jew groups! Not Israel itself!" is the AIPAC, you know, the group which funds majority of politicians who explicitly works in the interest of Israel?
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There's a lot of shit these Israel organizations/funders do which hurt America, I'm sure if I brought them up I would just get shills trying to argue single points instead of seeing the over all picture, regardless of what they do specifically, Israel is directly meddling in American politics, policies, and culture, that in general isn't fucking good to have a foreign power meddle in your country, and its people's, affairs.
Damn you are right, I need to step up my antisemitism again I got too cozy with Israel for bombing the shit out of muzzies.
But I wont concede that hating Israel for "muh wot, muh trillions" is fucking retarded. Especially now that they have shown they are perfectly capable of fighting their own wars anyway.
 
How exactly could they do that? They have taken L's since the conflict started. Should they beg for it to stop? Should khameni step down and hang himself? The whole Iranian apperatus will splinter and become a warzone either way. I meant the stated objective of Israel and the US in this conflict was decimating Iran's nuclear capabilities. They have done that. Why even continue?
stop pursuing uranium enrichment, hand over whatever related material/equipment/facilities they have to IAEA for decommissioning.
cease supporting hezbollah and ansar allah and whatever their guys in iraq are called.

basically renounce the nuclear program and the foreign militias in exchange for preserving the islamic republic and its government, that would get the burgermutts and the jews off their ass.
 
ChiComs tell Iran to stop being retarded:
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They have to appear strong internally and to their proxies to retaliate in some way, but they have several issues:
1) They can't retaliate in a way which draws others against them (i.e. Gulf States)
2) They can't retaliate in a way which really SHTF pisses America off (again, invasion is bad for the US but its REALLY BAD for Iran)
3) They physically can't retaliate in certain ways. Israel has attritioned much of their "medium" (long) range ballistic missile launcher trucks. They don't have an air force which can really do much offensively, their navy is really unlikely to be able to do much to the US outside the Persian Gulf, much less the mainland US or any other territory. They have to play the hand they are dealt minus the cards Israel ripped up in the last week.

The Ayatollah's Dilemma is that they "have" to retaliate in a way which convinces their supporters and those on the fence they are still strong while also doing so in a way which doesn't incentivize the US to say "fuck it, take them out".


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I really hate being a doomer. But all signs point towards them doing exactly that. And in all honesty, it's understandable. It's the only way to say fuck you towards Israel and the US and plunge them and the whole middle east into a forever war, like in Iraq. And it's also the only way to stabilise leadership because their whole structure is built on strength. They will deteriorate into a full blown internal conflict otherwise.
 

Iran will “most probably” in the coming hours launch an attack on US military installations in retaliation for the American bombing of nuclear sites in Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz, Amwaj.media has learned. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a high-ranking political source in Tehran said the decision to strike US interests in the region has been made, but that senior officials and commanders are still holding consultations on the precise targets. The source declined to reveal which particular American installations are being considered for possible attacks.

This comes as US President Donald Trump has warned of further escalation if Iran responds to the bombing of its nuclear sites in the early hours of June 22. “They should make peace immediately. They should stop immediately. Otherwise they’ll get hit again,” Trump said in a brief phone interview ahead of a statement late on June 21 EDT, later warning, “There are many targets left. Tonight’s was the most difficult of them all, by far…but if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill.”

As Amwaj.media exclusively reported on June 22, Iran received prior notice of the US bombings along with a private communication from the Trump administration that it does not seek a broader conflict. That dynamic suggested that Trump seeks a repeat of the events of Jan. 2020, when Iran fired ballistic missiles at evacuated American bases in Iraq in retaliation for the US assassination of Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani.

At the time, Trump opted to absorb the largely symbolic Iranian strike, acknowledging that Tehran needed to save face. However, under current conditions, with the Islamic Republic perceived to be on the backfoot in the face of setbacks in the region—while under an ongoing Israeli attack which has left top military commanders and nuclear scientists dead—the US president’s tolerance for an Iranian response may be lower.

Israeli media on June 22 suggested that Tel Aviv may be ready for a ceasefire if Tehran stops firing missiles, but that Israel and the US could jointly attack economic and energy infrastructure in Iran with the aim of collapsing the Iranian state if the Islamic Republic does not take the offer.

Prior to the June 22 US bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities, Iranian officials had said they are open to resuming talks with the Trump administration, but only if Israel ceases its attacks. Of note, Iran and the US were slated to hold a sixth round of talks in Oman on June 15, but the diplomatic engagement came to an abrupt halt with Israel’s June 13 surprise attack on Iran. Following the US attack on Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz, top Iranian officials indicated that the door to diplomacy had been shut altogether. However, that may change if Iran is allowed to save face through an attack on largely evacuated US military installations.

Notably, the US bombings of Iran do not appear to have been conducted from any military base in the region. Multiple B-2 bombers flying from the US dropped a dozen 13.6 ton (30,000 lbs) Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bombs on Fordow, a deeply buried uranium enrichment, reportedly causing significant damage but failing to completely destroy the site. Meanwhile, a submarine is reported to have been used to fire missiles at the underground enrichment facility in Natanz and the nuclear complex in Isfahan. Of note, Israel on June 23 bombed the access road to Fordow in an apparent bid to prevent access to the site.

It was not immediately clear which sites Iran may hit. Although the US seems to have been careful not to use American facilities in the region to bomb Iran, the Iranian military is unable to target the mainland United States. As such, American regional interests will likely come under fire, with US facilities in Iraq, Bahrain, Qatar and in the tri-border area between Iraq, Jordan, and Syria among possible targets. Having said that, American bases have largely been evacuated, meaning that any Iranian strike will mainly carry symbolic value—putting the ball in the court of Trump on next steps.
 
Iran is prepping to go full retard:
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I wish they'd just fucking do it. Holy shit. They've been "preparing" for days now.
I hope this is true..
Any time Iran runs into incompetence in its military it arrests those responsible for said incompetence on the grounds of being an Israeli/American/Saudi spy. It's SOP. It's how they spin getting blown the fuck out as not being their fault. "No, no, we didn't get btfo by Israel because they beat us fair and square, it was because the entire upper echelon of our command structure was on the Israeli payroll!!"

Frankly, even if it is true, that makes them look even more incompetent.
 
So, you're saying there are two groups of jews? One who supports Israel and doesn't care if we die and uses us, and another, who hates us and wants us dead and communist and dislikes Israel because of their oppression of browns?
The college commie jews who want all whites to be replaced by browns isn't any different than the "zionist" jews who also most likely want us dead if not wasting resource on Israel. I'm tired of the "I'm one of the good jews!" or "actually this group of jews is good!" I really don't care, if you identify as a jew, zionist, or israeli you're not American and you have allegiance elsewhere, if not to another country then to another ideology that opposes America either way.

This is the reason why "jewspergs" make shit like this:
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Hell, this is a widely known "tactic" to the point its on ifunny
Anytime someone Jewish does something that's bad for America you get another Jewish person going "actually its good for Israel which is good for America!" or you get another Jewish person going "actually, we Jews are not all the same, I for one hate x, and prefer y! (y also being shitty for Americans)"
This is your brain on Fuentes
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JEWS WANT US DEAD!!! THEY WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH US TO TAKE OUR MONEY BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY WANT US COMPLETELY DEAD!!! Muslims, who have as actual doctrine that you should kill the infidel and who were literally founded on military conquest with forced conversion, they're OK and they don't actually want us dead, but THE JEWS WANT US DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also ignore the fact that Muslims outnumber Jews 100 to 1 and have killed countless Christians and Europeans throughout the centuries in war and terrorist attacks, but the Jews, THEY are the reason I can't find a girlfr- I mean why the world is in its current state!!!
 
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Yes

Also yes.

Won't happen, but it should.
stop pursuing uranium enrichment, hand over whatever related material/equipment/facilities they have to IAEA for decommissioning.
cease supporting hezbollah and ansar allah and whatever their guys in iraq are called.

basically renounce the nuclear program and the foreign militias in exchange for preserving the islamic republic and its government, that would get the burgermutts and the jews off their ass.

Do you have any reading comprehension? I've said it once, and I will say it again. If Iran does that, there will be internal splintering and conflict that could very easily swap over to the whole middle east? It will deteriorate into a civil war. Sandniggers are, will be, and have always been built on leadership of strength. If this isn't the case anymore, their whole system will fall apart. And Israel as well as the us are actively working towards this scenario.

Their choices at the moment are literally, do nothing and die or do something and die.

Israel and the US aren't even keeping diplomatic doors open. This whole conflict didn't need to happen, and they carry the biggest fault for this situation devolving at such degree.
 
I really hate being a doomer. But all signs point towards them doing exactly that. And in all honesty, it's understandable. It's the only way to say fuck you towards Israel and the US and plunge them and the whole middle east into a forever war, like in Iraq. And it's also the only way to stabilise leadership because their whole structure is built on strength. They will deteriorate into a full blown internal conflict otherwise.
The problem is their leadership is more likely to die in a forever war against the US.

Sure, 2003 Iraq may have been a huge mistake for the US - but Saddam isn't around to celebrate it and it's not like the Iraqi Republican Guard is exactly doing any victory parades over their crushing defeat of US armored thunder-runs or aerial grid-square annihilation.

This also doesn't solve the internal issues, because "bros let's all die fighting against the US and Israel" is just as likely to cause internal instability as the alternative.
Sure, Iran, especially the IRGC, is full of fundies who would gladly die in a holy war against infidels and gladly live in fucking caves and small villages in the hills for the next two decades - but is every military commander left standing and is every civilian leader feeling like doing that?
 
IDF Telegram:

IDF: A short while ago, the IDF struck military sites belonging to Hezbollah, containing rocket and missile launchers, along with weapons storage facilities north of the Litani River in Lebanon.

The presence of weapons and Hezbollah's activity constitutes a blatant violation of the understandings between Israel and Lebanon.

The IDF will continue to operate in order to remove any threat posed to the State of Israel.
 
Dancing Israelis (yesterday):





 
This whole conflict didn't need to happen, and they carry the biggest foult for this situation devolving at such degree.
Yes it was the US and Israel who were behind arming, training, and funding the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas...

Come on. This is tired. Iran wanted to play with the big boys, they funded terror groups and sectarian militias for decades, they tried to produce nuclear weapons, they missiled US bases, they put bounties on US troops, they threatened global shipping, and yet when finally everyone gets fucking sick of it and slap them around like the little bitch they are, retarded niggers come out of the woodwork to screech about punching down and all this other shit.

It is very simple, if Iran wasn't ran by cunts that did cunty shit, they wouldn't be in this position.
 
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