Motivating fatty to run

[Local FloRida-man]

Okay kiwibros, so heres the rundown:

Higher ups put me in charge of a gomer pyle type. He's been on mando PT every day for the last year and has only lost 20 pounds out of 300~, and hes still puking whenever he runs a mile. He's never passed a PT test in his career, and his next PT failure will get him discharged. Any advice on how to unfuck this troop?

Or any advice in general on how to motivate another person to get their shit together and workout more/eat less?

 

[herefortheactualthreads]

gomer pyle type. He's been on mando PT

Americans will use burgers per eagle units before using metrics its insane.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Tell him to run like there's a big, black man chasing him.

 

[Kataskopos]

only lost 20 pounds out of 300~

You're going to want an earnest heart to heart with PVT Fatbody if he really wants to be there or if he's intentionally try to get an admin discharge before you spend more time fixing him. No amount of work besides taking him out back and beating the ever living shit out of him in a wall-to-wall is going to get him to hit the bare minimum with rolls like that. If you can't fix the mental state/attitude (he's clearly struggling with something since that kind of weight is usually indicative of another underlying issue, but he could just be giant shitbag), you're not going to fix the physical issues.
Otherwise usual shit like couch to 5k, running with him every session, inspecting his fridge/dining hall habits, that sort of thing if he really is genuine. If not, just get the paperwork started and document a paper trail of you doing your best.

 

[CrunkLord420]

It's obviously his diet, right? Surprised they don't just ban fatties from the cafeteria.

 

[Jex]

He has the lack of willpower that only ozempic and the ensuring stomach paralysis can fix. You can bring a horse to water but you can’t make them drink and so on. I’d be more concerned about why they’re putting up to do such a bum task.

 

[Daddy's Angry Juice]

Americans will use burgers per eagle units before using metrics its insane.

Hey I dont know what a kilogram is but I know what a hamburger is and thats good enough for me.

 

[Local FloRida-man]

You're going to want an earnest heart to heart with PVT Fatbody if he really wants to be there or if he's intentionally try to get an admin discharge before you spend more time fixing him.

I counseled him right after his most recent failure, and he immediately pulled a "oh well I'm screwed either way" boogie moment. I managed to talk him out of just giving up, but it was weird to see that mentality outside of deathfat streams. Asked him about reasons for staying in too: Apparently he comes from a military family of health nuts and he's the only tubby, so his main motivator seems to be shame? Idk how to leverage that when his family isnt physically on the track screaming at him to run faster.

But you're right, I've been trying to leave a paper trail. It just sucks since his pt sessions need a proctor, and I'm his supe, so technically so long as he's in fat camp, so am I.

It's obviously his diet, right? Surprised they don't just ban fatties from the cafeteria.

He has the lack of willpower that only ozempic and the ensuring stomach paralysis can fix.

Yeah, we calc'd it out and he has to be eating at least 2800 calories a day to maintain his weight. Not to mention he gets acid reflux which makes him puke whenever he runs. Whatever he's been eating is burning away at his insides too. We have him fill a food log, but we can tell its all bullshit. I'm thinking of just bringing a scale to work and making him stand on it every day, but I'm not sure if weight is considered PHI.

 

[beautiful person]

I'm thinking of just bringing a scale to work and making him stand on it every day, but I'm not sure if weight is considered PHI.

Do it anyway.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

hes still puking whenever he runs a mile

can you walk him instead of running? I walk 3-6mi/day to stay in shape and it works.
Maybe walk him a couple hours a day with a 20# backpack

 

[DumbDude43]

Or any advice in general on how to motivate another person to get their shit together and workout more/eat less?

how much power do you have over him?
can you monitor and control his daily routine? are you allowed to punish him? if yes, how?
and how much time do you have to get this guy into shape?

even if you have unlimited power over him (he is a literal slave and you can have him whipped him at will) it would still take over a year to fix his weight and get him in proper running shape.

 

[SNEED.EXE]

Motivate him the same way Bill Jensen's fans motivate him to lose weight.

 

[Kataskopos]

"oh well I'm screwed either way"

military family of health nuts

If he's a younger man, could just be that he's not properly articulating the core of the issue here. If he does have that proper burning shame every man his age should feel and he cites family as one of the sources, that means he should be feeling it failing his unit, you, and the basic bare minimum standards abided by hundreds of thousands of other shitheads in the military. But in his head, he's already lost because he's disconnected from the immediate community around him. So why feel any shame for a losing battle you feel you're not responsible for? That panicked oh shit boogie reason is more telling then you think because he's already written you and everyone else off which is actually pretty insulting.
Sure, it's fucking gay if you ever hear the commander or 1st sergeant say we're a family yadda yadda in a brief but it does read like he's not in tune with the local article 15-worthy shit that your usual lower enlisted do if all he's doing is cramming hotcakes in to his fat fucking mouth and crying in his room. Probably discord too. If he's still living in the dorms/barracks on-base or whatever tell him you are going to inspect with the shirt/undershirt just to see if he cares to clean up his hovel or not if he knows people are going to see the state he lives in. (assuming you or someone else haven't already)
If you really do you want to put a genuine effort in and help the kid, see about organizing something for the upcoming 4th and dragging his fat ass to come on over, even if it's really small. (Assuming you're not working mids or some other shift shit and get the day off) It might help start the small kindle of shame disappointing you later on, it might not, but it will reveal more to what the fuck is wrong with the kid and if it's fixable. It can go beyond just shoveling shit down his gullet. Or maybe he's just FAT.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

can you walk him instead of running? I walk 3-6mi/day to stay in shape and it works.
Maybe walk him a couple hours a day with a 20# backpack

For every kg/pound/hamburger unit he loses, subtract some weight from the backpack. If he gains, then punish him with substantially more weight in there. So it clearly represents all the extra weight he is carrying around in his body. This, of course, can result in back/leg/feet damage or him discarding the backpack.

 

[Local FloRida-man]

can you walk him instead of running? I walk 3-6mi/day to stay in shape and it works.
Maybe walk him a couple hours a day with a 20# backpack

Weighted walks/hikes are great and I usually advocate for them too, but the issue is accountability. Unless someone is there to watch him do it, I have no faith it'll get done consistently enough to improve his fitness. He says he "gets bored easily when working out for too long"

how much power do you have over him?
can you monitor and control his daily routine? are you allowed to punish him? if yes, how?
and how much time do you have to get this guy into shape?

I can order him to do stuff, and if he doesn't, I can give him paperwork. I've already given him several LOCs and an LOR, but I'm certain they arent helping. I can, and have, also withhold leave and vacations from him. I've got about 3 months to get him in shape, with 2 hours of pt a day.

But in his head, he's already lost because he's disconnected from the immediate community around him

True enough, thats one of the bigger problems I'm having. We're AF AND intel. So basically the absolutely LEAST amount of community you can get in the military. He also works in a different space from me, which is why I cant just stand over his shoulder and slap the fork out of his hand. Compounding this is also his astounding autism driving the rest of the E-4 mafia away. No one, and I mean no one, wants to be around him when he goes on and on about rocket league.

Odd note you all might enjoy: his family is also very religious and managed to secure an arranged marriage for him to a spicy latina. From what the E4s say, shes thin, polite, and very pretty.

 

[Kataskopos]

We're AF AND intel.

that is pretty fucking funny though, wonder how long that'll last

 

[failed mist]

The fact that anyone has gotten him to lose even twenty pounds is a minor miracle. He'll gain it all right back as soon as the pressure is off, and then some. I guarantee he's bingeing on something which is wrecking his digestion, but eating brings him too much comfort/pleasure/relief. Unless you can hard replace the coping mechanism, good luck.

his family is also very religious and managed to secure an arranged marriage for him to a spicy latina. From what the E4s say, shes thin, polite, and very pretty.

Lord have mercy on her.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

He must be stealing cans of peaches.

 

[DumbDude43]

Weighted walks/hikes are great and I usually advocate for them too, but the issue is accountability. Unless someone is there to watch him do it, I have no faith it'll get done consistently enough to improve his fitness. He says he "gets bored easily when working out for too long"

the guy already carries 100+ pounds of extra weight in the form of excess body fat, dont need to slap anything more on top of that
even just walking around with all that extra mass is really hard on the joints, his knees and hips are probably in bad shape already

I can order him to do stuff, and if he doesn't, I can give him paperwork. I've already given him several LOCs and an LOR, but I'm certain they arent helping. I can, and have, also withhold leave and vacations from him. I've got about 3 months to get him in shape, with 2 hours of pt a day.

sounds like you don't have control over his diet
no exercise routine can out-train a bad diet, even if you have the best coach in the world

idk maybe try and have a very serious conversation with him, hammer it home that if he doesn't lose a serious amount of weight then he will lose his job. if that doesn't make him reconsider his attitude and mindset then i don't think there's much you can do.

 

[Local FloRida-man]

Unless you can hard replace the coping mechanism, good luck.

Thing is, when we were getting chewed out by the commander and SEL, Senior and the other MSgts all had some variant of the "When I was your age I was fatty too, until I found the strength within..." speach. So I give it 80/20 odds he either gets admin discharged or goes on to become CMSgt of the AF.

Lord have mercy on her.

I suspect from his reaction at the time that the leave I denied was supposed to be a conjugal visit. May have saved a life that day.

the guy already carries 100+ pounds of extra weight in the form of excess body fat, dont need to slap anything more on top of that
even just walking around with all that extra mass is really hard on the joints, his knees and hips are probably in bad shape already


sounds like you don't have control over his diet
no exercise routine can out-train a bad diet, even if you have the best coach in the world

idk maybe try and have a very serious conversation with him, hammer it home that if he doesn't lose a serious amount of weight then he will lose his job. if that doesn't make him reconsider his attitude and mindset then i don't think there's much you can do.

He splays his feet when he walks or runs, which me and the other sgts think means the stabilizing muscles in his legs are too weak to support his weight, so you may be right.

You guys are also right there may be nothing I can do if its all attitude. I have no idea how to reframe a person's mentality to suddenly enjoy working out, and I dont think I'm even equipped to pull it off atm. This isnt a hallmark movie.

Welp, thanks for the advice anyways guys. I'll use it for my other troops instead. I'll also post an update if he makes it. Otherwise I'll keep my blues ready just in case...