TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

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Random Internet Person said:
Honestly, if it wasn’t for #StopAsianHate, I think Lindsay could have gotten through Raya drama unscathed.
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But I thought Lindsay ultimately got canceled not 'cause of the (surprisingly Larry David-esque) "if you squint" comment, but because the Raya controversy led to someone coming forward on Twitter and claiming she once called them a nigger?

Edit: wasn't around during her cancelation (didn't even know who she was back than), but that's how her cancelation was described on Tumblr.
 
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Eventide said:
But I thought Lindsay ultimately got canceled not 'cause of the (surprisingly Larry David-esque) "if you squint" comment, but because the Raya controversy led to someone coming forward on Twitter and claiming she once called them a nigger?

Edit: wasn't around during her cancelation (didn't even know who she was back than), but that's how her cancelation was described on Tumblr.
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No. She has blogged about using that particular pejorative preceded by sand as a term of endearment in the past, but it had nothing to do with her cancelation. The rape rap got more airplay, and she claimed in her Mask Off video that the rape rap was her way of processing trauma lol.

Both Lindsay and the retarded Tumblrsphere can try to rewrite history. We have the receipts.
 
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Liber Nihil said:
Changing the topic a little here, but I’ve always assumed the “Lindsay got pregnant on purpose just to use it to make an abortion documentary” narrative to merely be an attempt at trolling her, but do some people here actually believe this in a conspiracy theory kind of way? If you watch the film it comes across as her attempt to make peace with the fact that she really didn’t want to do it and was struggling with a lot of guilt. She even takes comfort from a pro-life church group.

Maybe using it as material for a thesis was tasteless and opportunistic of her, an understandable criticism. But is there any specific reason why it’s considered that insincere by anyone else who’s actually seen the full documentary?
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It is a troll... however...

It's not that it comes across as insincere, as I said in my post about it, the reality of aborting a kid hit her hard and seems to be when her alcoholism really started to kick in. The theory is more that she got pregnant on purpose to get the abortion so she could do the documentary and then reality happened and she found out what it's actually like to kill your baby. And for what? A degree she quit early and a career she gave up on almost instantly.
gaysexenjoyer said:
Does anyone have the rape rap on-hand
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Here you go.
 
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S@credC said:
Since Raya left basically NO footprint on the pop cultural landscape, I'll throw her a bone and say she made a good point.

I also can't remember if I read it here or somewhere else, but someone observed that those Asian accounts attacking her were also authors publishing in the same space as Lindsay. If Kidneygate and The Bad Art Friend has taught me anything, writers are a vicious, two-faced group of slobbering opportunists who think nothing of putting on a witch hunt to get the competition canceled via SJW culture wars.
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Ultimately they see publishing as a zero sum game. People frittering away their dollars on Nebula or on her shitty books meant money that was taken away from a pee oh cee. I’ve seen this argument get made unironically numerous times for over a decade now. So when they sense blood in the tank, they strike. Plus the permanent revolution needs endless grist for the mill so they’re always on the look for fresh victims.
 
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I finished Xenocide by Orson Card Scot, the third book in the series that inspired Axiom's End. I'm surprised that Lindsey said Speaker of the Dead was her main inspiration. OSC plays around with the themes of truth much more in this book. He also starts to develop some bad habits with pacing. You can tell that Lindsey copied and magnified these habits by 100%. Overall, I still thought the book was good, if flawed. Lindsey was punching way above her weight class with this. I almost fell bad OCS that his literary decedents hate him for being a BIGOT, while making worst versions of his books.

I also got into some fan discords for Lindsey's books. One is a fan server, and the other is run by Lindsey's team. They are mostly dead, despite some diehards trying to breathe life into them every now and then. There is one autist that has a hyper fixation on them. He puts more work into his fan art for the books then they deserve.

If Lindsey can't get her fourth book published traditionally, I hope she publishes it independently for him. Or least tells the poor guy what happens next.
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Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead were so good. I felt like Xenocide was not on the same level. Mentioning pacing is spot on. I remember thinking how awful the pacing was. Twice the space to cover half the action. In the first two books characterization is more subtle. By the third one you're getting a lot of verbal exposition and loredumping. I got a couple hundred pages in and unfortunately I've yet to return to it. Haven't read Ellis's stuff yet but will get to it eventually. I loved the Ender's film adaptation and it's a shame we probably won't get a film or series of Speaker. I have to admit I don't have a strong inclination to support Card financially at this point.
 
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Hemlock Latte said:
I have to admit I don't have a strong inclination to support Card financially at this point.
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He's where I first heard the debate about 'supporting a bigot' twenty years ago and it's odd to think about how far the discussion has shifted.

Years ago, the idea of supporting a work by someone who was 'problematic' was seen as fine because back then, people were smart enough to understand that liking a book/movie/whatever doesn't mean you agree with the person's views or actions. Liking Sean Connery's Bond doesn't mean you're pro wife beating. Owning a copy of Chinatown doesn't mean you think Roman Polanski needs to be forgiven for child molestation. And reading Lovecraft doesn't make you a racist.

Card was the exception not because he was so open about his homophobia, but because he actively donated money to anti-gay groups. Meaning that if you bought a copy of one of his books, you were in part putting money towards these donations. Many got around this by buying them second hand, but the debate was still there on whether or not it was okay to support the series.

Getting this back to Lindsay, in her Ender's Game video, she does bring this up and then brushes past it pretty quickly to start mocking people who would say Card is pro-nazi. But this was back in 2012 when the extreme SJW shit hadn't quite come along yet. Also, she does say Xenocide was her second fave book in the series.
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
Card was the exception not because he was so open about his homophobia, but because he actively donated money to anti-gay groups.
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Exactly. It's not about virtue signalling, it's about what your money is going to.
Arthur Morgan said:
...mocking people who would say Card is pro-nazi.
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Pretty racially diverse cast of characters for an alleged Nazi simp.
 
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Having met Orson Scott Card, the man is a gent, and I can offer some insight.

The man is a member of an arch conservative Mormon church in North Carolina. How conservative? He will never do a book signing within an hour of the church because they view his own books as "distasteful".

Hasn’t stopped them from taking his tithes over many decades, but they sneer at his work. And Card is, despite that, a devoted and obedient member of his church. Thus he also follows where they tell him to cut checks and such.

The Ender series was a victim of its own success in some ways. He and Robert Jordan were the one two punch that took Tor from another scifi paperback publisher into the lucrative power house it is today - still in large part thanks to Card's backsales.

It's one of the few upsides to Tor biting the hand that feeds and telling guys like Card they should wrap things up so they can blow thier royalties on another diversity hire's up jumped fanfics. Card is wrapping up Ender's Game, even Alvin Maker, all on his own terms.

And doing pretty well at it. His final Ender book dropped a few years ago, and it actually ties things up in a nice bow.

Certainly more closure than Lindsay's ever going to give the autistic simps who actually think she had a plan for her Latina self-insert to run off into the sunset with her robot chicken boy toy after wiping out the Jews.
 
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Boston Brand said:
Hasn’t stopped them from taking his tithes over many decades, but they sneer at his work. And Card is, despite that, so brainwashed by the cult and so determined to maintain his self-determined moral high ground. Thus he also follows where they tell him to cut checks and such.
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Fixed that for you.
 
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Polexia Aphrodisia said:
Fixed that for you.
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I'm a (secret) right winger working in publishing. Fruity the religion may be, but the number of Mormons in scifi and fantasy is one of the reasons there is a right wing foothold at all.

Plus, by Mormons in publishing standards, Card is one of the least fruity... if some of what I've heard about DJ Butler at Baen/Ark Manor is true, he probably takes that crown.

BScCollateral said:
I'm kind of impressed anyone read the books closely enough to know that. I salute you for your service; better you than me.
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Let's be real, making Cora Latina was probably just mandated from editorial or a beta reader to add some diversity. It was never anything deeper than surface level, and it certainly reads like a poor attempt to cater to "modern audiences".
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
Card was the exception not because he was so open about his homophobia, but because he actively donated money to anti-gay groups. Meaning that if you bought a copy of one of his books, you were in part putting money towards these donations. Many got around this by buying them second hand, but the debate was still there on whether or not it was okay to support the series.
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I would rather inadvertently support a Mormon lobbyist group, and have good literature, than give Lindsey any more money for Axiom's end. It's depressing that the only sci-fi books I've found tolerable lately are at least a decade old.

BScCollateral said:
I'm kind of impressed anyone read the books closely enough to know that. I salute you for your service; better you than me.
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Say what you want about our favorite jew, but she has been one of the few of us autistic enough to go through the books with a fine tooth comb. I had to listen to that shit on 2x speed.:semperfidelis:

Arthur Morgan said:
Getting this back to Lindsay, in her Ender's Game video, she does bring this up and then brushes past it pretty quickly to start mocking people who would say Card is pro-nazi. But this was back in 2012 when the extreme SJW shit hadn't quite come along yet. Also, she does say Xenocide was her second fave book in the series.
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That was interesting video. I was wondering how Card was able to accurately depict Catholism given he is a Mormon. A mission trip to to Brazil explains a lot about the setting and themes of his books.

Her statements about the themes made me MATI though. Cards books aren't anti-organized religion by any stretch. At least, not the first three I have read. If the only thing you took away from SFTD and Xenocide was "religion's ability to influence control over the populace", you took away the most shallow and lazy possible interpretation.

Hemlock Latte said:
And that's the thing, you could never say this about Card's diverse ethnic & cultural representation, which is purposeful
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It's the JK Rowling effect. On paper, lefties and libs should love Card's work. But because he has problematic opinions they pretend otherwise. The plot of Xenocide is literally about a multi racial, and multi religious coalition of people working across planets to save three intelligent species from destruction from an overreaching government.
 
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S@credC said:
Were they calling out the books or the movies? Because there's the argument to be made that the more "problematic" elements were movie inventions.
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Both? She was heavily involved in the movies (and will be in the series as well, can't wait to see how that hits in current year).
 
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