Sonic The Hedgehog Games

Which game do you play the most in Sonic Mega Collection?

  • Sonic 1

    Votes: 27 4.8%
  • Sonic 2

    Votes: 103 18.2%
  • Sonic 3 and Knuckles

    Votes: 223 39.4%
  • Sonic 3D Blast

    Votes: 19 3.4%
  • Sonic Spinball

    Votes: 23 4.1%
  • Dr. Robotnik's Meanbean Machine

    Votes: 79 14.0%
  • they're all good in my opinion

    Votes: 92 16.3%

  • Total voters
    566
Y'know, I think people would have been more understanding of Amy's shtick if hypothetically the characters were humans who looked their canonically listed ages. Amy's fangirling would look less stalker-ish and more forgivable immature if you saw she was 12 years old, and Sonic's reaction to her makes more immediate sense why he's not thrilled about a preteen trying to jump his bones.
That's what should have happened, but their precise age is unclear*, not helped by the VAs and the Japanese mindset for characters not applying well to furry characters (pervert jokes and girls being psychotic towards guys is okay for comedy in Japan). Sonic is intended for Western markets and that's why there's something lost in translation.
*Current Team Sonic has given up on the whole age thing and just gave them vague descriptions. Not that they will grow old anyway, their timeline being eternally stagnant.
 
The games almost feel predictable in what is going to happen next, at least from what I have seen. I want to be surprised by what is going to happen next rather than something happening that you already knew was going to happen, or something happens that makes no sense as to why it is happening
The last time, this happened Sonic almost died because Eggman somehow has an scanner that can track the radioactivity of the Emeralds. Everything else is just another example of him sticking his hand into the red hot oven and whining about being burnt, afterwards. If he wasn't completely abusive to the Zeti, he might have had a chance in Lost World
 
I think we need to remember that the show was made during Sonic's dark ages where SEGA was removing much of the Sonic cast due to years of 90s babies complaining that the 2000s ruined Sonic and bloated his cast. SEGA was hellbent on trying to fix the weird internet criticisms, so they removed basically everything Adventure and beyond brought as apparently all the characters (besides Shadow) were annoying and unneeded. They also tried reverting the entire setting back to the Genesis days, so endless Green Hill.
These changes by SEGA were completely unnecessary. I saw a recent message in a discord server (I think based off a tweet) that basically sums it up: SEGA continues to listen to a loud minority.
 
Since i'm already down an Eternal Darkness rabbit hole, considering we've been talking about Dark-Era Amy, which of the three Elderitch Gods should I choose that would fit the discussion the best? I already have my own opinion, but i'm already at the end of Pious's chapter, and I wanna hear your speculation first.
 
These changes by SEGA were completely unnecessary. I saw a recent message in a discord server (I think based off a tweet) that basically sums it up: SEGA continues to listen to a loud minority.
That's the same problem with every one of these companies, Capcom especially.
 
That's the same problem with every one of these companies, Capcom especially.
Which is a damn shame because that's what I see as the cause of the current gaming industry we have now. These shitty cunts who have infiltrated these companies just ruin beloved IPs to push their headcanons and personal political agendas. Sticking to Amy (as was discussed some pages ago) she was butchered so heavily, and she's always been one of my favorites, the 2000s Amy, all of her was amazing to me. The Dimitri video mentioned earlier was spot on in my opinion.
 
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Odd. The general consensus from what I hear is that Amy's new personality is considered an over-correction. That said, Dark-Era Amy did not sit well with Western Audiences for a damn good reason. If you rrally wanna know what I mean, recall what she planned for Sonic in the 3rd season of Sonic X, only for Tails and Cosmo to be caught in it instead... which no doubt contributed to Tails' immense distress when he has to shoot Cosmo.

The point i'm trying to make, is that while current Amy is meh, Dark-Era Amy was a monster who got by cuz the writers didn't think about the implications of her actions deep enough.
 
Odd. The general consensus from what I hear is that Amy's new personality is considered an over-correction. That said, Dark-Era Amy did not sit well with Western Audiences for a damn good reason. If you rrally wanna know what I mean, recall what she planned for Sonic in the 3rd season of Sonic X, only for Tails and Cosmo to be caught in it instead... which no doubt contributed to Tails' immense distress when he has to shoot Cosmo.

The point i'm trying to make, is that while current Amy is meh, Dark-Era Amy was a monster who got by cuz the writers didn't think about the implications of her actions deep enough.
the atf disliked that

also the only reason amy didn't rape sonic is that he was too fast for her
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also tails was gay and jealous and planting ideas in sonic's head to keep him off the STRAIGHT and narrow
 
These changes by SEGA were completely unnecessary. I saw a recent message in a discord server (I think based off a tweet) that basically sums it up: SEGA continues to listen to a loud minority.
Something about listening to the (wrong) fans.
Odd. The general consensus from what I hear is that Amy's new personality is considered an over-correction. That said, Dark-Era Amy did not sit well with Western Audiences for a damn good reason
It's an over-correction and safe take, typical of Current Year. Western Audiences are stupid. Watch say Ranma, for example, you'll notice similarities here. For what's worth, depending on the work, it was implied Sonic also liked Amy, but he was a bit shy since he's a teenager, like her, she was being a bit forceful for laughs. Then Sonic was made to stay eternally single and thus no longer interested in romance (I suppose that's why in Mario Oddyssey Peach rejects Mario?).
 
Something about listening to the (wrong) fans.

It's an over-correction and safe take, typical of Current Year. Western Audiences are stupid. Watch say Ranma, for example, you'll notice similarities here. For what's worth, depending on the work, it was implied Sonic also liked Amy, but he was a bit shy since he's a teenager, like her, she was being a bit forceful for laughs. Then Sonic was made to stay eternally single and thus no longer interested in romance (I suppose that's why in Mario Oddyssey Peach rejects Mario?).
Oh dont even try that, it's not even close. people fucking hated Akane there too. you'd rarely see anyone come to bat for her. this archetype is really hard to like for western audiences, and its very easy for that gag to get stale. Everyone in ranma was one flavor of asshole, sometimes two, so despite how loathed akane could be at times depending on the episode, there was at least something to balance it out.

Also even if the archie cover didn't cause sega to go into panic mode no way in hell would they have made sonic interested in romance. that shit with elise was pretty one sided save for like one scene.
 
re: Amy Rose discourse:
An anonymous person on Tumblr said:
"The problem with Amy is that she fights too much" Amy has been presented as a fighter since 1996. Most Sonic characters are fighters. It's an action series. If Amy was singled out specifically to no longer be a fighter, it'd probably be (rightfully) seen as sexist. She can be a cheerleader and a fighter. It's not hard.
Ryan Bloom said:
This is moving the goal posts really, really, really far my guy. I get where you’re coming from, you’re talking about Sonic the Fighters, but there’s no other way I can say this other than “that doesn’t count.” Like, Princess Peach is in Smash Bros., but in how many other games has Peach been a “fighter”? Two in 40 years? (this is a whole other can of worms to unpack, though) Listen, it’s going to be very easy to get lost in the weeds in something like this, and people are going to get the wrong idea about picky minutiae. I have no interest in that. I think a woman can be anything she sets her mind to and there should be no limits getting in her way. Including just chilling out. But when it comes to characters like this, it feels very clear to me that Amy Rose has been co-opted into becoming something else, because girls are not allowed to be anything BUT strong right now. And I don’t just mean physically strong. Don’t misread that or move those goal posts, either.

In real life, not all women want to be strong. And shouldn’t that be okay, too? Why’s Amy Rose gotta be a front line warrior? Why does she have to be transformed to bear that burden? It’s the fantasy character design problem but pulled in another direction. By that I mean, there’s a common point of comparison where it will show character designs for male characters, and they can be fat or ugly or strong or scary, and then it shows women and they are all some variant of a human bikini model.
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Except now, instead of a bikini model, it’s “girlboss.” We cannot show women as anything except strong role models or else it’s the patriarchy. Nobody gets to just exist. Honestly, if Sega wants to give Amy a character, maybe this is the angle to explore: Maybe she doesn’t really like all this fighting stuff, but she does it because it’s what Sonic does. She likes Sonic, she wants to stay with Sonic, but keeping up with him is dangerous and maybe it’s a confidence thing, you know? Maybe she’s afraid but we visibly see her find strength. (But again: that means she’s subservient to a man, and that’s the patriarchy. That’s not role model behavior!) The idea that a switch flipped in her one day and suddenly she’s this hyper competent superhero… especially when we have examples of other women now who have always been strong and didn’t inherit it through a company mandate… Amy did not grow into this, she got replaced. And that will always be weird to me. It’s as weird as Knuckles suddenly being assigned to military commander after years and years of jokes about what a gullible idiot he is.

Sega has put her character into a very weird position and I’m not sure I like the direction they’re trying to take her, is all. They’ve pulled the ejector seat lever on basically everything that used to define her and are trying to wholesale turn her into something else – “girlboss” or no (you could argue, depending on when you look at her, that they’re also turning her into a Lisa Simpson). My suggestion in the last ask wasn’t necessarily about making her unable to fight. I think she could do with a character developing moment where we see her find her confidence. I am willing to swallow a lot as long as you frame it as a moment of change and growth but they didn’t really do that. I blinked and suddenly she’s this super advanced tarot card witch who has no problem matching the skills of Sonic, Tails and Knuckles, when these games used to make it clear she’s not like that.

So if something changed from “in most games she’s very slow and her gameplay is centered around hiding” to “she can solo an ancient guardian”, it would be nice if they at least showed us that growth. That kind of glow up is the heart of most stories! Don’t handwave that away! It’s important! I wouldn’t complain so much if there was a reason. But there wasn’t a reason, and the credits teaser in the Sonic 3 movie felt like the straw that broke the camel’s back, even if that’s a different version of the character. The poor girl is completely lost right now, I think. Can’t do anything with her without upsetting someone.
what gets me about Ryan actually acknowledging the girlboss problem, is otherwise, he's a dyed-in-the-wool, ORANGE MAN BAD, SUCK THE GIRLCOCK shitlib. Broken clock, I guess.
 
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He's right, though. Women cannot be women anymore, they can't be shown as vulnerable, lest they offend the terminally online psychos. Which means that many of the female Sonic cast is no longer allowed, kek, ranging from Maria to Chala or whatever the ghost spirit from Adventures 1 was called.
Hmm, perhaps that's why most of the female new characters of the Sonic IDW comic are fighters, no matter how redundant they are? Ie: That sheep whose name escapes me now that no-one likes for some reason, and that used to be a background character.
 
I've always enjoyed playing Sonic games since I was a kid in the early 2000s, Sonic Heroes and Sonic Advance 3 in particular are certified hood classics for me.

Unfortunately the community surrounding the Sonic franchise makes it hard to enjoy playing the games these days , the Autistic Speed runners, the Troons, the retards that keep pushing for Sonic to be gay etc .

And worst of all is seeing Sega pandering to these freaks, changing the color of their logo to that disgusting rainbow on every pride month, sponsoring pride events, canonizing the characters from those woke IDW comics into the main franchise etc and of course let's not forget that many of the higher ups at Sega are users of Resetera, thus giving an air of legitimacy to those insane asylum.

Sonic CrossWorlds looks like a really fun game that I would definitely enjoy playing, but unfortunately everything surrounding the franchise disgusts me so much that I'm not sure if I can buy that game in good conscious and genuinely enjoy playing the game in this environment.
 
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