US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

At the end of the day, Elon is a fucking beggar. His companies like SpaceX and Tesla rely so much on government subsidies, yet all they've cooked up is mediocrity and failure. The fact that his companies can't fly on their own yet they have so much in terms of mistakes and mishaps goes to show that Elon is all talk, no brains. He's a fake gamer, a fake businessman, and a terrible CEO, to the point where he has to rely on federal hand-outs to stay afloat.

I wonder sometimes if there were faggots like you screeching about boats trying to leave an island hundreds of years ago and talking about what a waste of money it was. What will you do when we inevitably end up on mars? Just shut the fuck up like a good little bitch again? Id rather we burn the money than give the handouts to niggers and welfare. The fact we are using it to build the most advanced ship on the planet decades ahead of anything China is attempting is incredible.

Spacex is only getting about 25% or so of its budget from US gov.
In 2024, government contracts totaled roughly $3.4–$3.7 billion, out of an estimated revenue of $13–15 billion, putting the share around 25%

Meanwhile we spent 4 billion just to house illegal immigrants in NYC
NYC expected to spend $2.7 billion in FY 2026, following ~$4.0 billion in FY 2025.

Also fucking retarded to compare Nasa and Spacex.
Nasa was 100% government funded and with a failure rate significantly higher than spacex without ever coming close to building anything reusable or capable of getting to mars.

Is this you?

 

[The Ugly One]

When you start looking more granularly, it becomes more revealing. For example, new lawyers in the US have a bimodal distribution of income. Most new lawyers make very little money. Then there are a lot of graduates from top schools who start at very high salaries. This can distort the comparison if just relying on averages or medians. If we equalize the comparison and look at two similar entry level lawyer positions at comparable firms—one in the UK, one in America—we can get a real comparison.

Freshfields is a magic circle British firm. Its newly qualified solicitors make 125,000 pounds per year (before taxes) which currently equals about 170,000 dollars. A first year associate at a comparable American white shoe law firm on the Cravath scale (i.e. most big law firms) will make 215,000 dollars per year. And that's generally independent of the city in which they're practicing, whereas most of these top positions in the UK are in London. So the same salary in America will be paid to a first year associate whether they're in Houston or LA, but will go further when it's being paid to the lawyer working in Texas, where there's no state income tax and the cost of living is much lower.

So for two relatively equal, entry level legal positions at top firms in the UK and America, the baseline difference in pay is at least 50,000 dollars before adding in taxes and cost of living (and bonuses). When we throw in those factors, it's closer to 100,000. That's a huge difference that is solely based on being in the UK vs. America. In some cases, like with Freshfields, there are offices in both the UK and America, which makes the difference even starker.

How is the middle class in the UK supposed to pay for food, housing and medical care for migrants with such low salaries, though?

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

Roosevelt was a literal bear in a human form. Trump is more like super American kino capitalist personified.

Roosevelt was a big burly Brujah with Gangrel sensibilities, Trump is a ventrue/toreador

 

[FatalTater]

There 'll be a lot of disappointment in America when folks start realizing that the irritating neighbor or coworker they were sure was going to get deported, turns out to be here legally.

 

[Cromwell]

This is a meme. Getting into Canada or literally any European country the legal way has more red tape than the US. The reason it takes longer with the US is because everyone and their mother wants to come here, so the system is backed up.

Its kind of complicated. There is a whole cottage industry of "immigration lawyers" in all sorts of different countries that feed off the fact that so many people want to come to America. They make the process a LOT more expensive and time consuming than I think it was intended to be. And it is quite hard to do it without them, given that they have good relations with the embassies and the consulates. At least that's what they want you to think. When you add onto that the cost of the naturalization process in general it can be VERY difficult to get in. The legal immigration system kind of works as a natural filter for riffraff in that regard because it selects for people who are either supremely patient or wealthy.
Despite the state of modern women, I would still wager that it is easier to get into America via marriage than any other legal means.

 

[David Brown]

What will you do when we inevitably end up on mars?

This naivety is adorable.

 

[Burnt Fish]

There 'll be a lot of disappointment in America when folks start realizing that the irritating neighbor or coworker they were sure was going to get deported, turns out to be here legally.

Imagine living near brown people.....

 

[SITHRAK!]

people are being sent there simply for being brown with no legal right to reside in the USA.

Fixed that for you, brother.

 

[Jump]

That used to be NASA's job. They were far more competent and lost way less spacecraft than Space X did

NASA used to be competent... From the 1950s until the early 1980s But then it turned in to a DEI jobs program. They couldn't keep the STS from exploding let alone advance past it. We where forced to hire the Russians for rides to the ISS. Humiliating.

Also, if Elon had his way, we'd be swimming in Indians.

Well good thing he doesn't have his way, or else the USA would be swimming in your fellow countrymen.

Falcon 9 has a 99% success rate on their hundreds of contract missions. Falcon Heavy is at 100% last I checked on contract missions.
SpaceX blows shit up pushing the envelope with experimental stuff trying to reach reusable self landing spacecraft. They aren't losing customer cargo doing it. Yet people think those explosions are the normal when in reality the Falcon's are in the background grinding out boring contract missions day in and day out with no coverage.

Here is a question: How many HUMANS has SpaceX lost compared to NASA? I'll give NASA a pass for the early "space race" since they where starting from zero and needed to get there at all costs to beat the USSR. So lets just talk about the 1980s STS program.
How many people has NASA's STS killed compared to all of SpaceX?

SpaceX blows shit up constantly until they master it, THEN they put humans on it. It seems to be a much better system compared to the massive NASA bureaucracy that chokes out any innovation that just ends in failure anyways.

You said his companies are failures. They are not.
Is Elon a sperg? Yes. Should he chill the fuck out? Yes.
But his companies are not failures. It's clear you can't separate one thing from the other. You are the type of person who would have called for the cancellation of the Explorer and Apollo programs because the program leads where all ex-nazi's.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Its kind of complicated. There is a whole cottage industry of "immigration lawyers" in all sorts of different countries that feed off the fact that so many people want to come to America. They make the process a LOT more expensive and time consuming than I think it was intended to be. And it is quite hard to do it without them, given that they have good relations with the embassies and the consulates. At least that's what they want you to think. When you add onto that the cost of the naturalization process in general it can be VERY difficult to get in. The legal immigration system kind of works as a natural filter for riffraff in that regard because it selects for people who are either supremely patient or wealthy.
Despite the state of modern women, I would still wager that it is easier to get into America via marriage than any other legal means.

You're not wrong but I know guys who get green cards, serve in the military honorably, and they are in like Flynn. There are easy ways to do it. The problem is if you're a lazy asshole with zero economic value.

 

[Cromwell]

That used to be NASA's job. They were far more competent and lost way less spacecraft than Space X did

Honestly, Elon is doing you a favour with SpaceX. When it comes to new and experimental technologies, obviously things are going to blow up at first. The fact that its a private corporation who's experimental rockets are blowing up allows the federal government to save face. They don't have to be the face of exploding rockets.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

This naivety is adorable.

We already have rovers there. There are already planned unmanned launches and a starship capable of getting there next year during the next transfer window. Even if we miss that there is another one every 18 months. I think its likely we actually get a manned ship there within a decade or so but if you extend this out to hundreds of years youd have to be retarded to think it wont happen eventually.

 

[Sammich]

I thought Gunther was a globalist libshit. Did he get redpilled or does he think that illegals are a Russian tool to weaken NATO or some schizo shit like that.

Gunther is almost impossible to pin down, he's most like at 1996 neocon, sort of. He's just fun as hell to keep track of, but if you try to look at him through some political lens you sort of miss the point of him.

NASA used to be competent.

Turns out those fuckign krauts were really good at rockets, lol.

 

[Cromwell]

You're not wrong but I know guys who get green cards, serve in the military honorably, and they are in like Flynn. There are easy ways to do it. The problem is if you're a lazy asshole with zero economic value.

I must admit the Roman route to citizenship (service) does seem like the most honorable and rewarding way to come in. I am not sure if flat feet are a disqualifying factor in this day and age but if I had to do it, I would do it like that myself.

 

[The best and greatest]

None, but they still cost us billions.

So what? We spend way more on far less noble ventures year round.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I must admit the Roman route to citizenship (service) does seem like the most honorable and rewarding way to come in. I am not sure if flat feet are a disqualifying factor in this day and age but if I had to do it, I would do it like that myself.

There is a waiver for everything.

 

[David Brown]

We already have rovers there. There are already planned unmanned launches and a starship capable of getting there next year during the next transfer window. Even if we miss that there is another one every 18 months. I think its likely we actually get a manned ship there within a decade or so but if you extend this out to hundreds of years youd have to be retarded to think it wont happen eventually.

You are very gullible lol. Call me when a man walks on the moon and comes back home alive.

 

[Sammich]

You're not wrong but I know guys who get green cards, serve in the military honorably, and they are in like Flynn. There are easy ways to do it. The problem is if you're a lazy asshole with zero economic value.

I am the guy that wants every single illegal gone, I want birthright citizenship overturned and I think the entire visa system should be scrapped. I want ZERO immigration to the us for a generation or more. All that said, I think if you serve in the military for a full hitch (4 years active, 4 reserve) you should be considered a full citizen and you can stay. (You can't come to my house and fuck my sister though)

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I am the guy that wants every single illegal gone, I want birthright citizenship overturned and I think the entire visa system should be scrapped. I want ZERO immigration to the us for a generation or more. All that said, I think if you serve in the military for a full hitch (4 years active, 4 reserve) you should be considered a full citizen and you can stay. (You can't come to my house and fuck my sister though)

Nothing says "I love this country" like getting some skin in the game.

 

[SITHRAK!]

That used to be NASA's job. They were far more competent and lost way less spacecraft than Space X did

And then they started hiring women, niggers and troons and it all went to shit.
SpaceX has lifted more mass into orbit at lower cost in 10-15 years than NASA did in 50 years, and SpaceX comes with the added bonus of not having killed a whole bunch of people to do it.