US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Members of the Trump Administration
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[mr. testicular torsion]

cmon, you wont do shit

anyways happy 4th of july everyone

 

[Mister Fister]

the Catholic Church for example, there was a strange uptick in converts before Vatican II happened, luckily theres a much longer emphasis on tradition and ritual with Catholicism so it's not all lost in terms of going full pro-gay,pro-trans,etc. at worst it created a generation of Vatican II Boomers who know virtually nothing about the faith and support things that every Catholic would have never been in support of in the 2000 years of Church History and many Younger Catholics see the recent history and have fought back, with many Protestant Churches they are far easier to maniuplate given the fact that cherry picking scripture and a tradition of questioning things have been a thing within those denominations since the days of Luther and Calvin, thats why you see millions of subsect and Churches within it, particularly in the United States where some denominations are Conservative while others are full globohomo and have no belief in Jesus and might as well be preaching from the Communist Manifesto instead of the Bible, and I am not necessarily saying Protestants are bad people here, just that its more institutionally maleable.

The Catholic Church has probably the strongest "idea of existence" of any institution in the world. If the Borgias couldn't destroy the church, the communists can't either.

 

[Breadbassket]

This, had they just left Vidya and other entertainment media alone in the early 2010s they could have done most of what they wanted without much blowback, especially considering how hard the religous right railed against the medium in the 90s, unfortunately for them they chose to make a slight fuck up and turned a lot of 15-35 males at the time against their bullshit

It is interesting how the right in particular came to be associated with being so against video games when some of the individuals who went after them the hardest were members of the Democratic Party. These weren't just pastors telling their congregation not to play them or that they were unholy in a particular way, these were legal attempts to effect the gaming industry at large.

The 1993–94 United States Senate hearings on video games that lead to the creation of the ESRB under threat that the government would regulate video games for the industry if they did not take the steps themselves? Lead by Senator Joe Lieberman and Senator Herb Kohl, both were Democrats.

The failed Family Entertainment Protection Act in 2005 which would have imposed fines of US$1000 or 100 hours of community service for a first time offense of selling a "Mature" or "Adult-Only" rated video game to a minor, and $5000 or 500 hours for each subsequent offense? Introduced by Senator Hillary Clinton and co-sponsored by Senators Evan Bayh, Tim Johnson, and Joe Lieberman. All were Democrats.

The 2006 Entertainment Software Association v. Foti lawsuit claiming that a Louisiana law should be declared unconstitutional because it was claimed as a way for the state to censor video games by making it illegal to supply minors with video games considered violent, similar to laws making pornographic material unavailable to minors, but using violence as the criteria instead of sexual content. The law was passed when the state had a Democrat governor.

The Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association Supreme Court case which was about a California law banning the sale of certain violent video games to children without parental supervision? The legislation had been sponsored by Democrat California State Senator Leland Yee and signed into law by then Republican (a label that has really aged well for him) California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The state of California was supported by a mix of other conservative or liberal states (Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia) with similar laws.

 

[The Mighty Banth]

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I think this makes both parties seem a bit servile and slavish, just to different things.

The DNC is definitely just goosestepping with whatever any glass screen tells them. But the RNC you could say is beholden to an idealized version of the country. 92% is a little TOO high. America is good, but not that good.

I would argue it depends on what exactly a person thinks of as "pride" which can be quite wholesome if it is love of home.

A long quote for The Four Loves that I feel helps define this type of affection.


First, there is love of home, of the place we grew up in or the places, perhaps many, which have been our homes; and of all places fairly near these and fairly like them; love of old acquaintances, of familiar sights, sounds and smells. Note that at its largest this is, for us, a love of England, Wales, Scotland, or Ulster…With this love for the place there goes a love for the way of life; for beer and tea and open fires, trains with compartments in them and an unarmed police force and all the rest of it; for the local dialect and (a shade less) for our native language… It would be hard to find any legitimate point of view from which this feeling could be condemned. As the family offers us the first step beyond self-love, so this offers us the first step beyond family selfishness... Of course patriotism of this kind is not in the least aggressive. It asks only to be let alone. It becomes militant only to protect what it loves. In any mind which has a pennyworth of imagination it produces a good attitude towards foreigners. How can I love my home without coming to realise that other men, no less rightly, love theirs?...

The second ingredient is a particular attitude to our country’s past. I mean to that past as it lives in popular imagination; the great deeds of our ancestors. Remember Marathon. Remember Waterloo. “We must be free or die who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke.” This past is felt both to impose an obligation and to hold out an assurance; we must not fall below the standard our fathers set us, and because we are their sons there is good hope we shall not… This feeling has not quite such good credentials as the sheer love of home. The actual history of every country is full of shabby and even shameful doings…The heroic stories, if taken to be typical, give a false impression of it and are often themselves open to serious historical criticism. Hence a patriotism based on our glorious past is fair game for the debunker. As knowledge increases it may snap and be converted into disillusioned cynicism, or may be maintained by a voluntary shutting of the eyes. But who can condemn what clearly makes many people, at many important moments, behave so much better than they could have done without its help?... I think it is possible to be strengthened by the image of the past without being either deceived or puffed up. The image becomes dangerous in the precise degree to which it is mistaken, or substituted, for serious and systematic historical study

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

Happy 4th of July, and to honor our nation's independence lets us laugh tat shome fucking stupid commie bullshit.
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Even ignoring the obvious, I wonder why the Mongolians aren't one here, like they are not at all communist and you would think that they would be one here but no only the white civilizations. Wonder why that is.
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if there ever is another war, we should draft these people not give them any training or weapons and just use them as shields.

Have we phonebooked this nigger yet?

Also, BBQ update: Hell. 170~ people fed (including drive thru, door dash, and Uber eats), cleaning took forever, but got some proper Mac n cheese to take home

 

[Viktor_Suvorov]

O say can you Shart

At the local Walmart

What so proudly expelled

Through asshole's last leaking

Whose broad streaks and brown stars

Through the perilous blight

O'er aisles we watched

Shit gallantly streaming

And the mutt's nappy hair

The negroes everywhere

Gave proof that our race

Is a 56% disgrace

O say does that shit spangle

Bummer yet cut

For the land of the shart

And the home of the mutt

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

It is interesting how the right in particular came to be associated with being so against video games when some of the individuals who went after them the hardest were members of the Democratic Party. These weren't just pastors telling their congregation not to play them or they were unholy in a particular way, these were legal attempts to effect the gaming industry at large.

The 1993–94 United States Senate hearings on video games that lead to the creation of the ESRB under threat that the government would regulate video games for the industry if they did not take the steps themselves? Lead by Senator Joe Lieberman and Senator Herb Kohl, both were Democrats.

yeah thats also worth mentioning there was definitely rumblings of anti-Gamer sentiment among even Centrist boomers even back then, I don't think it was fully manifested until after Occupy Wall Street when companies starting pushing woke shit to divert the left away from economics and into retarded social causes that no one liked, Jack Thompson was another example, he was basically the last significant anti-Gamer Republican before GamerGate drove a lot of Gamers to the right

 

[Monopolywheel]

But the RNC you could say is beholden to an idealized version of the country. 92% is a little TOO high. America is good, but not that good.

America is that good.
Fuck you commie

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Sleeping to the sound of fireworks. Feels good.

 

[Wash away the rain]

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I think this makes both parties seem a bit servile and slavish, just to different things.

The DNC is definitely just goosestepping with whatever any glass screen tells them. But the RNC you could say is beholden to an idealized version of the country. 92% is a little TOO high. America is good, but not that good.

Shut up faggor America rules nigger go back to whatever shithole your ancestors came from if you don’t like it. Not on Americas birthday you unpatriotic fuck.

 

[The Big A]

Does neutering yourself or the product to get more mass market appeal ever work?

It depends on the time and the place and which segment of your product is more fickle. More importantly, is your product still any good?

Leftist parties tend to benefit more from watering down their product than rightist parties. It's a much easier sell, moderate leftists sell welfare and workers benefits which are far more popular than socialist revolution. Rightist parties tend to fragment much more when they moderate, as those in the middle tend to go along with those on the extremes, but not vice versa. Rightist movements are typically a coalition of diverse political opinions while leftist movements are rather homogenous politically.

With leftists, you can brow-beat the extremes into supporting the moderate. The extreme right will just stay home.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan mentioned on MATI again.

So jealous.

Also I love taco stands and big booty Latinas.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

other verses in leviticus just as well dictate that foreigners are to follow the same laws as their israelite fellows lest they be punished or cast out just the same. it is not a boilerplate direction to tolerate foreigners and all they do.

These are the same people who hate the Bible because of Levitical ceremonial laws. Meanwhile, they want to quote the Law in order to own the right.

To add to that, a lot of draft dodging Boomers couldn't get into college back in the sixties and seventies, but could get into Seminaries, as well as Communists and Socialists actively infiltrating both Catholics and Protestant churches. Marxism is best thought of as a secular religion, replacing God with the State, so religion either has to go or has to conform to the State, especially as it's one of the bulwarks against Progressive madness. They took over the seminaries, then pushed progressive pastors, but slowly, and since the Boomer laity was mostly fine with the Cult of Niceness, they didn't notice until too late.

Makes sense, but the problem comes with people attending these churches and being robbed blind by giving them money and being run into deep credit card debt, just like the blab it and grab it megachurches where they're going to be worshipping directly into Hell. People will for the most part sit in the pew and nod.

video games... all kinds of pop culture stuff. [. . .] you don't have a hobby where you can escape their eternal revolution.

>LGBT slop in vidya
>games on average cost half a hundred bucks
>people well into their 20's playing vidya period

Stop playing video games lads.

 

[Fuck Fags I'm A Homophobe]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan mentioned on MATI again.

So jealous.

Also I love taco stands and big booty Latinas.

my man can we not ping him?

the circle repeats. Someone pings him, he shows up, thread gets derailed for 5 pages, something major happens.

 

[Amelia Troonheart]

Just think if that Crenshaw never had a career in politics, we would've never gotten this wonderful campaign ad:

This is the most Marvel brained shit I've ever seen.

 

[mr. testicular torsion]

i Fucking love this place.

 

[Henny Queen]

These are the same people who hate the Bible because of Levitical ceremonial laws. Meanwhile, they want to quote the Law in order to own the right.

Few probably know or care where it's coming from.

 

[Sneed Lurker]

 

[The Big A]

the Catholic Church for example, there was a strange uptick in converts before Vatican II happened, luckily theres a much longer emphasis on tradition and ritual with Catholicism so it's not all lost in terms of going full pro-gay,pro-trans,etc. at worst it created a generation of Vatican II Boomers who know virtually nothing about the faith and support things that every Catholic would have never been in support of in the 2000 years of Church History and many Younger Catholics see the recent history and have fought back, with many Protestant Churches they are far easier to maniuplate given the fact that cherry picking scripture and a tradition of questioning things have been a thing within those denominations since the days of Luther and Calvin, thats why you see millions of subsect and Churches within it, particularly in the United States where some denominations are Conservative while others are full globohomo and have no belief in Jesus and might as well be preaching from the Communist Manifesto instead of the Bible, and I am not necessarily saying Protestants are bad people here, just that its more institutionally maleable.

On the other hand, the immense institutional rigidity makes a successful infiltration much harder to pull off but near impossible to remove if they make it to the top. While there are traditionalist movements that reject Vatican II and the pozz teachings of the last few decades, the Catholic reverence to hierarchy and position have come around to bite them in the ass. Most conservative minded Catholics outright agree that Vatican II has produced nothing but bad fruit and has wrecked the church, but they still revere the very propigators of these teachings while calling them heretical and even blasphemous. Protestantism's weakness of disorganization and schism becomes a strength when fully infiltrated, and vice versa for Catholics.

As for hope that younger generations will fix the Vatican II RCC, remember that leftists value political loyalty above all else. Anyone who will rise to power in an already compromized institution will reflect the wishes of their bosses. When a Protestant denomination gets pozzed, you can expect 25-33% of the laity and clergy to break off instantly. After 60 years of Vatican II, maybe one in every one hundred Catholics have joined traditionalist Churches that reject the council.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

my man can we not ping him?

It's a forum and it's text.

It can't hurt you.