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Church committee also shows that James Jesus Angleton helped Israel get nukes iirc

CIA declassified files are a trip, Project Stargate in particular is interesting

Just a little digging I did, wanted to quickly dismiss this as hokum, so I googled the guy in the video, Joseph McMoneagle, cause they claim he was issued the Legion of Merit on his retirment from the Army.

I was like easy thing to disprove, I just search up the list of all the people who have earned it (rather prestigious medal it appears) and boom nothing comes up, I was like case close, gotem

But on a lark I though "they might have him under joe though, better double check"
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We have remote viewers and it still took us over a decade to find Osama? Only my American government could be so efficient, bet they cost us billions somehow to. I think the part the stops me and so many others in feeling comfortable believing that there is so much more possible going on than we know because the results are so lackluster, I think the reality that the government has powers and abilitys beyond our wildest dreams and is STILL inefficient and bumbling with them is somewhat beautiful in a terrifying and sad kind of way.

"We can control the weather, have unlimited free energy, can cure most modern illnesses and beyond that we have bountiful types of technology that few could even dream up, what should be our first step?"

"Sorry guys, Jim is new money and isent all the way up to speed, the same thing we do every night Jim, absolutely nothing fuck are you kidding? now come here I wanna show you how to start a resource war in a pre industrial nation, its one of my favorites and ill tell you about that time Dulles got one of them to forget how to make fire for like 2 generations"
 
I never said it was a minor campaign promise.
I never said you did:
You say this as if he failed a minor campaign promise
I get that reading comprehension around here can be rather poor, but do at least try.
What do you want the populous to do? Vote for the opposition? At least with Trump we have a chance. I'd rather have A chance than have a party actively try to make America into an economic zone / third world nation.
I love that you're missing the point that if he's so implicated and/or threatened that he cannot release the files, and resulted in the ridiculous shit his admin has pulled thus far, and even you types are reduced to 'well what do you want us to do???' posturing, that there effectively is no opposition. Just two speed settings for the same party.

Trump's not going to be running for 2028. He's not going to be as much of a player in 2026. And you're going to be shocked how many people aren't willing to vote for Republicans in both races I can guarantee you after some of the shit that's been pulled by this admin, the Epstein shit is just the most glaringly obvious. And no, I am not beholden to the Republican party. Being niggercattle locked into voting for one party is no different and certainly no more productive than living in an openly one-party state.

Especially given that Trump cannot apparently even release the Epstein files. It's like you people think it's a valid counter to ask 'well what's the other option!?'. It's not. The other option is not voting for people who will cuck out anyhow.
 
The reason people keep bringing up the Epstein thing is because the intelligence community and the current administration (and Musk I guess) keeps bringing it up. For six months the Epstein client list has been dangled like a set of jingling keys by Kash Patel and various other feds multiple times, which then gets posted in this thread, and then consequently leads to people ITT expressing their dissatisfaction with how opaque the situation remains when those politicians inevitably cuck out of actually doing or saying anything of substance. The government has been doing ridiculous theater kid shit since February whenever Epstein comes up, that warrants criticism.

Whatever the truth is, we're never going to see it in our lifetime for the same reason why the FBI and justice department have "confirmed" that Jeffrey Epstein's death was a suicide. Politicians, celebs, and heads of state aren't going to self report. If TPTB wanted you to know, you'd know.
My question is why anyone bothered. If Cashapp Patel (or anyone) knew that the Epstein list would be overly incriminating or fuel sensationalism, why bring it up?
 
We've fully gone from 'drain the swamp' to 'accept the stink' now, I take it? Cool.
Do you think that what I wrote was meant to be an endorsement or a concession? I'm stating a fact. If they wanted you to know, they'd tell you. They don't want you to know right now because they figure that the shit they've done is so heinous that even the fattest, laziest Americans will come bearing torches.

An international child trafficking ring that literal heads of state partook in is on a whole different tier of government corruption than shit like unethical human experimentation to create sneeze guns or whatever the fuck they were doing in MKUltra or whatever other conspiracy is safe to know about.

What they don't want you to know isn't what you shouldn't be allowed to know, by the way.
 
but I would rather see evidence
So would I, but it's not too far a stretch to consider maybe both parties have reasons for not releasing a 'list". A list that we aren't even really sure exists.

And so the thread tourists and retarded leftists don't want to try to spin what i'm saying here, I don't want to leave any nuance for them to run with. Trump is a piece of shit for not releasing the "list", he's a piece of shit for not making heads roll over this bullshit. Bondi needs to tender her letter of resignation ASAP, let her get some foxnews gig, she clearly cares more about the cameras and clout than she does about doing what is right. I never trusted that bitch after i seen what shit she pulled with the Trayvon Martin stuff, and how friendly she is with ben crump. Fuck that ho.
 
So would I, but it's not too far a stretch to consider maybe both parties have reasons for not releasing a 'list". A list that we aren't even really sure exists.

And so the thread tourists and retarded leftists don't want to try to spin what i'm saying here, I don't want to leave any nuance for them to run with. Trump is a piece of shit for not releasing the "list", he's a piece of shit for not making heads roll over this bullshit. Bondi needs to tender her letter of resignation ASAP, let her get some foxnews gig, she clearly cares more about the cameras and clout than she does about doing what is right. I never trusted that bitch after i seen what shit she pulled with the Trayvon Martin stuff, and how friendly she is with ben crump. Fuck that ho.
What boggles my mind is how Dennis Hastert got away with everything and no one ever talks about it.
 
The other option is not voting for people who will cuck out anyhow.

Prediction: JD flips on Donboi eventually and aligns with Musk because Musk has little real political capital. Everyone rallies around the new party and votes for JD, the NEW "OUTSIDER!!!!!!!!"

Musk and JD are both creations of the same characters in the deep state, so it tracks and they need to further shift the public to naked technocracy. They need one of their bois out front as a real politician but Musk won't work, not yet anyway.

Edit: reminder...JD and Vivek are related. They're literally family.
 
If there was anything to the Epstein documents, they would have leaked already. You fuckers really believe that the Biden administration had its hands on documents that could destroy the GOP in one fell swoop, but chose not to use it? You fuckers really believe that the Trump administration has its hands on documents that could destroy the Democrats in one fell swoop, but choose not to use it? Get the fuck out of here.

Mutually assured destruction is always an option. Epstein would have been a fool to blackmail only members of one political party. He had dirt on everyone and neither side can spill the beans because the people who went to his island know some of the other people who were there and will start naming names to try to get some kind of a deal. Any politicians who says they want to blow the lid off of this scandal gets a list of all of their friends and associates who will burn along with whoever they were hoping to throw under the bus. That's just our own country and it's an open secret that British royalty were also guests of Epstein and god knows how many other European leaders or prominent businessmen as well.

No one will leak anything because it will spiral out of control and damage their own side as bad or worse as the other. So everyone maintains the lie and throws a bunch of military aid money at Israel and business goes on as usual.
 
Prediction: JD flips on Donboi eventually and aligns with Musk because Musk has little real political capital. Everyone rallies around the new party and votes for JD, the NEW "OUTSIDER!!!!!!!!"

Musk and JD are both creations of the same characters in the deep state, so it tracks and they need to further shift the public to naked technocracy. They need one of their bois out front as a real politician but Musk won't work, not yet anyway.

Edit: reminder...JD and Vivek are related. They're literally family
Willing to wager a burgersuit on this?
 
My question is why anyone bothered. If Cashapp Patel (or anyone) knew that the Epstein list would be overly incriminating or fuel sensationalism, why bring it up?
Probably because of how universally whitepilling it is to hear that something is actually being done to seek justice on behalf of human trafficking victims. Look back on how people reacted to Patel becoming the FBI Director. Hell, I'll use this thread as an example.
YEEESSSSS LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO. LET'S DO IT.!!!
EPSTEIN LIST!
EPSTEIN LIST!
EPSTEIN LIST!

FIFTEEN DAYS KASH. YOU SAID FIFTEEN DAYS. WE GONNA HAVE A NEW MARCH MADNESS. MARCH EPSTEIN WATCH PARTY!!!!!

(Wow horrible way to word that.)
No offense to Wurmple. I genuinely think Epstein is a really powerful name to drop when you want to distract and excite people, it's like a flashbang. People joke about UFO sightings and other bullshit media like that being used as a means to distract the public, but Epstein is arguably even more valuable in that regard. It's probably a lot easier to promise transparency about the Epstein situation and to ask forgiveness later when none is provided than it is to confront certain issues that the government doesn't want anyone to scrutinize.
 
Mutually assured destruction is always an option. Epstein would have been a fool to blackmail only members of one political party. He had dirt on everyone and neither side can spill the beans because the people who went to his island know some of the other people who were there and will start naming names to try to get some kind of a deal. Any politicians who says they want to blow the lid off of this scandal gets a list of all of their friends and associates who will burn along with whoever they were hoping to throw under the bus. That's just our own country and it's an open secret that British royalty were also guests of Epstein and god knows how many other European leaders or prominent businessmen as well.

No one will leak anything because it will spiral out of control and damage their own side as bad or worse as the other. So everyone maintains the lie and throws a bunch of military aid money at Israel and business goes on as usual.
I find it difficult to believe that, out of this entire network, no one is willing to burn the whole thing down. Democrats throw each other under the bus all the time. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong - we're all just speculating here - but secrets are impossible to keep, especially juicy ones, and it goes into the realm of "unlikely" in my head to believe some of the Epstein conspiracy theories.

He was definitely a pedo who blackmailed people and ran a pedo ring. How deep that rabbit hole goes is another question and I do not think it involves any major politician - like Trump - or else it would have gotten out already. Biden administration employees spilled secrets to O'Keefe plants with a little booze and the promise of strange dick. You want me to believe these people can keep secrets?
 
Imagine being a Mexican-American and trying to kill border patrol agents to look cool to Reddit people.

At that point, you should unironically come to the self realization that you are the biggest retarded nigger on earth, lol.
Redditors are fedposting hard about ICE these days, I don't know how many posts I've seen calling for "people to exercise their second amendment rights against this modern SS."
 
Politico: An Elderly Lawmaker’s Staff Keeps Walking Back Things She Tells Reporters. Should They Keep Quoting Her? (archive) - "A media conundrum for the age of gerontocracy."
By Michael Schaffer
07/07/2025

A few weeks ago, my POLITICO colleague Nicholas Wu and NBC’s Sahil Kapur ran into D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton in the Capitol. Like good congressional reporters, they jumped at the opportunity to pepper a lawmaker about the news of the day. In this case, one question concerned Norton herself, a civil rights icon who is now the oldest House member: Would she run for another term next year, by which point she would be 89 years old? “Yeah, sure,” Norton said.

Coming on the heels of multiple stories about Norton’s alleged cognitive decline, the statement made news. But a few hours later, Norton’s office began unmaking that news. The Democrat “wants to run again but she’s in conversations with her family, friends, and closest advisors to decide what’s best,” a spokesperson told Wu. There was still no final decision.

It was all awkward and embarrassing — and did little to buttress Norton’s insistence that she’s as sharp as ever. And then, amazingly, it happened again. Last week, Kapur once again approached the delegate and asked about her plans. Once again, she said she’s running: “Yeah, I’m going to run for re-election.” And once again, her spokesperson quickly walked back the comment, telling Axios that “no decision has been made.”

The spokesperson, Sharon Nichols, did not offer any explanation for the discrepancy. She also didn’t respond when I asked her for details of what happened or whether journalists should take future Norton statements at face value.

That last question is relevant even if you don’t much care about the electoral plans of one non-voting delegate. For people interested in how Washington works, it’s an increasingly common issue in our era of gerontocracy: Just how are you supposed to interact with an elected official who might not be all there?

It’s an ongoing private conversation among reporters, animated by a sense that the watchdogs haven’t been zealous enough — but featuring no real agreement on how to handle these moments.

“I’m on the fence about it,” said New York Times congressional reporter Annie Karni, the author of her own recent piece about Norton’s struggles. “Is it newsworthy to be even doing this dance where you ask her a thing, she says something that makes no sense, and staff has to walk it back? Like, what are we doing? Or are we showing the problem? I don’t know what the answer is.”

“Every reporter has a story about this,” said Kristin Wilson, who was a CNN Capitol Hill producer until last year. Incidents that couldn’t be explained away sometimes made news, like the time the late GOP Sen. Thad Cochran got lost in the Capitol, or the time a colleague had to instruct late Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein to “just say aye” at a vote. When Texas Rep. Kay Granger struggled with dementia at the end of her term last year, it fell to a Dallas news site to reveal it. But many quieter interactions involving nonsensical quotes never got published. “I think we have pulled punches,” Wilson said.

Wilson recalled an incident when her team was interviewing the late GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch for a story on senators’ hideaway offices: “Hatch kind of went off on a tangent of a story, and as he’s telling the story, his aide is just like looking at me and his eyes are just massive, like he knew Hatch had just sort of gone down a bad path.”

In the end, the tangent wasn’t germane to the story. “The Hill is like living in a small town,” Wilson said. “And you know all these people, and you’re around them all the time. Are you going to be that person in that small town that you’re in?”

For journalists, the answer to that question is supposed to be: Yes, that’s exactly who we are! But the exigencies of managing a Hill beat that requires a daily stream of scoops makes it tough to latch onto every potentially embarrassing comment. Publishing them, after all, might enrage the staffers who tip you to those scoops — and confuse readers who just want accuracy.

It turns out Norton’s staff had good reason to think they could simply contradict their boss’ comments without it becoming a story: There’s a long history of spokespeople cajoling media outlets into cleaning up the incorrect, impolitic, or downright addled things that lawmakers say when they get buttonholed by Capitol Hill reporters.

Oftentimes, these involve non-craven fixes. “My rule of thumb was that I’m not in the business of playing gotcha,” said Todd Gillman, a former longtime Washington bureau chief for the Dallas Morning News. “People misspeak. They mix up a bill, a vote or a person. There’s a slip of the tongue. I’ve always let people clean up things like that. I’m going for substance.”

Yet the culture of cleaning up makes it harder to say no when you suspect that the slip of the tongue may actually be the substance. “Seems like the tradeoffs don’t change, though the calculus might,” Gillman told me. “Are you willing to incur some wrath for ignoring their lobbying?” Until Joe Biden’s presidency pushed the national conversation about aging officials, the answer wasn’t always self-evident.

And it comes up particularly often in the Capitol, one of the strangest media environments in America, a place where beat reporters can count on running into VIPs in public hallways and asking for quotes on even the most obscure matters. It’s as if Hollywood reporters could count on buttonholing Clint Eastwood every time he was at the office.

For staffers, this means a lot of work keeping track of potential messes. Brad White, who ran Cochran’s senatorial office before the Republican’s retirement amid health problems at age 80, said his colleagues’ clean-up work was more often about vernacular than mental capacity. “He would confuse some reporters because somebody would say, ‘Well, how are y’all coming on the budget negotiations?’ And he would say something that was more of a generational statement from Mississippi, like, ‘Well, we’re getting down to the lip lock.’ And nobody knew what the hell that might mean.”

All the same, as Cochran struggled, White managed around the edges. “He was an older guy,” White said. “He’d have good days and bad days, and there were days maybe that I would decide today is not the day we need to talk about this issue.” In Cochran’s case, he said, the senator was planning to resign but the timing was complicated by a budget process. “If you’ve got a member that is facing those types of issues, and you can tell that they’re working their way out, then that deserves some grace,” he said. “If you got a member that has no business being there and they’re clutching onto it like the Pope, then maybe that’s worthy of a discussion.”

To their credit, Wu and Kapur both reported the interactions with Norton as they happened, and reported the office’s statements to the contrary. It was an easy call, they both told me: The question at issue — would Norton run again? — was personal and ultimately can only be answered by her. It’s not the same as flubbing details of a 1,000-page bill.

Ed Wasserman, the former dean of the University of California’s graduate school of journalism and a longtime writer about media ethics, thinks the journalistic hand-wringing about how to describe cringey moments may actually make it harder to enlighten the public: “One of the problems is that reporters routinely handle incoherence and inconsistency by ignoring it, so a decision to convey it to readers as significant already rests on a belief that there’s some underlying dysfunction,” he said.

Wasserman said the principled position ought to be that lawmakers’ moments of confusion are news, period. Cleaning it up “is not really an option,” Wasserman said. “This is clearly performance related. And their job performance is your job to report on.”

The challenge is that it’s also a reporter’s job to cover the day’s debate about a bill or a nomination. Inserting incoherent comments from a lawmaker can confuse most readers — even if it enlightens a subset of folks interested in that particular lawmaker’s state of mind. “It’s weird that in the Capitol, people know which lawmakers you can’t really talk to substantively, and avoid them,” said Karni. “When you’re not reporting on the age issue, which I have reported a lot on, I think it’s important to just know who is not able to participate like that.”

By way of example, she cites yet another kerfuffle over yet another Norton comment: In April, the lawmaker told a reporter that she might try to become the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. The news kicked off a round of Democratic agita about aging leadership clinging to power. Hours later, her office put out a statement from Norton taking herself out of contention. The incident may have said something about Norton, but it didn’t really help the (probably larger) number of people who just want to be up to date about the committee’s future.

“Is this productive? Is this fair? She’s clearly not running for Oversight. So having her say that, it created a dumb news cycle with this kind of faux outrage,” Karni said. “You could say, ‘Are you thinking about running for president?’ And she might say, ‘I’m thinking about it.’ So what are we doing when we’re asking that question?”

It makes for a weird status quo: One set of lawmakers who can be grilled about legislative issues, another who are considered out to lunch, everyone keeping secret mental lists of who’s who, and no one feeling able to publish them because, after all, who can really prove what’s going on in someone’s head?

“The conundrum is you’re not going to be able to reach that judgment without applying certain standards that you’re not necessarily able to reach because you’re not a psychiatrist or you don’t really know them,” Wasserman said. “But at the same time, you know enough. You see what’s an indication that they’re not enough in command of the intellectual challenges of the job. … You have no reason to apologize for that. It’s your job.”
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How does Iran getting nuclear weapons and shifting the balance of power away from the Israeli-Saudi axis benefit the US?
How does it shift the power away from anyone but Israel? They dont have any way to reach the US with conventional nuclear weapons. If they did get them and we established a real credible threat of them trying to use it on us, they wouldn't have a country anymore. We'd bomb them so hard the crater that was formerly Iran would hit the Earth's mantle.

That's besides the point because I dont see the benefit of bombing Iran. In your own words it only set them back "a good few years." That's not a worthwhile ROI for the US
 
the idea of owning a car yourself will be a weird, quaint thing
I know many will disagree but that doesn't sound too bad to me. I've always wished American towns had an emphasis on being able to walk around or ride bikes to get around. I don't want cars taken away or anything, but having nicer towns that you get around by taking a nice walk outside and enjoy the weather is a very underrappriciated luxury in the US since the vast majority of US infrastructure is designed only for vehicles and is made to discourage walking or bike riding. It's another one of those examples where American quality of life is made worse on purpose so companies can make more money and most people don't realize it.
 
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