Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Colleen Hoover is the constant punchbag of any bookish community online right now because of her misogynistic portrayal of women

Never heard of her. How bad is her work?

You know what? Fuck these people.

Say what you will about the current state of Russian leadership but that is a beautiful country with hundreds of years of history and culture and the idea that Current Events means it should have been wiped off the face of the map is vile. That's actually advocating genocide. I know that Chipman and people who worship him are truly all about actual genocide when it's (a) people they don't like or (b) in support of Current Thing, but fuck these people.

What do you expect from the same people who compare Trump supporters to actual Nazis?

Peet, and Bob, have the same issue. They don't care about collateral damage, and the loss of what it has just because they hate the people in charge, and all stems in their sociopathic need to be the ones saying what's good with impunity. I can tell Bob ran off from Twitter to Blue Sky as a fuck you to Elon, or because he doesn't want to be community noted, I haven't kept up with Fatso for a hot minute. Either one wouldn't surprise me as much as Peet did.

Everyone wants to say they'd fight evil and punch "Nazis" if they had the chance, but so many people have never actually been in a position to take someone's life.

Seriously, how is it so fucking hard to unite a front against a fucker like Peet without succumbing to autism, and their own bullshit.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Never heard of her. How bad is her work?

Oh, lord.

Spoiler: CoHo

Hoover is one of the best-selling authors out there right now. Multiple books in the top 10 bestseller list. This is because she pumps out shitty romance at a terrifying pace. Her books are all basically the same thing: beuatiful girl with a distinctive flaw that makes her unique and special doesn't realize she's beautiful, instantly falls for a hot guy who is an absolute dullard. They have literally nothing going on their lives except making out, mumbling their way their terrible converesations, and having awkward sex scenes until some weird twist in the final three chapters or so where the guy reveals his Dark and Troubled backstory and they have to overcome their trauma/grief/that time he lit her on fire in order to consummate their love.

Then there's probably a timeskip where they have a baby.

The writing is atrocious, basically oscillating between millennial stream-of-consciousness and vapid attempts at poetic prose. The characters are the most boring, lifeless individuals you've ever had the displeasure of watching shuffle around gawping at each other while all they can think about is how hot the other partner is.

It's easy to call them misogynist because they tend to focus on an everywoman protagonist while the hot guy has the Troulbed Backstory, which means that it's incumbent on the girl to Fix Him. It's supposed to be a romantic thing, wher ethe woman's love and affection is enough to change his life-- which, let me be clear, is fine and honestly very sweet if it's actually done well. But it's just the most surface level implementation of the tropes, basically relying on the reader to fill in all the emotional gaps in her fantasy, so if you weren't already invested it reads as two very stupid people in relationships that range from vapid to insanely abusive.

I would say it's less 'misogyny' and more 'terrible writing'. It's the distillation of a common female fantasy (and let's be real, a lot of women DO want this)-- that you fall in love with a hot, successful man, that he falls hopelessly in love back despite your physical shortcomings (like a scar, a birthmark, or half of your body being covered in 'fourth-degree' burns), that you can use your gentle femininity and/or awesome sexual skills to completely change his life and make him a better person. But the writing is so vapid and shallow that the women -- the primary viewpoint character -- innately come off as just as vapid and shallow, the story itself is so poorly composed that there's no chance of forming an acctual connection, and it's just... they're bad.

It doesn't help that she thinks she can also shoehorn in things like infant death and domestic violence like they're a fun spice and not, you know... heavy subjects that deserve dignity.

Like, romance is one of the worst, most glutted, least editorially sanctioned sections because romance books are pretty much guaranteed to sell no matter what. CoHo is basically a one-woman Harlequin imprint.

 

[Blonrad Blurze]

Out of all the people they could sweep for, they chose Jerry. Jesus christ.

 

[AMHOLIO]

It doesn't help that she thinks she can also shoehorn in things like infant death and domestic violence like they're a fun spice and not, you know... heavy subjects that deserve dignity.

Did she write one where there's incest? Asking for a lolcow.

Seriously, how is it so fucking hard to unite a front against a fucker like Peet without succumbing to autism, and their own bullshit.

Unironically, one of Lily's strongsuits is that she has always kept and appealed to niche interest of loserdom. Pony fans, fanfiction fans, children's cartoon enthusiasts, adults who want to read a Pokemon webcomic - all these things are very niche, to the point that most of those interested are uh, weirdos themselves. This could be anything as benign as general oddball to complete degenerate (Lily), with a lot of mental illness and social problems in between. Most adults don't stay in children's online media circles because they're normal. The normal ones who enjoy kid's stuff just watch/play/enjoy media without engaging in a fandom. There's also the teen factor where you get teenagers with time on their hands engaging in fandoms, and teenagers are still greenhorns to the world and can be taken advantage of or have their own social problems.

TL;DR: The fandoms Lily covers online are full of immature and socially awkward/mentally ill people. They're usually benign autistic/anxious geeks (affectionate), or socially unacceptable geeks (derogatory). Lily is a loser and like attracts like. Lily's fans and detractors are people affected by her shitty opinions, and Lily picked some of the most autistic niche stuff to be into, therefore she's not like a regular youtuber where the fanbase is diverse.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

This guy is such a puke.
If he comes looking around here for dirt on Sai he's gonna be real disappointed that 98% of posts mentioning her are just Tuna.

It's a sweep job like excepted. The ginger faggot mocks Britt throughout. Some Courtney Peet suffahing. He hasn't mentioned that KP and Lily were friends at the time of this call. Lio and KP have been good friends for years.

• Beckett called Britt one of Lily's ex- partner. Britt was catfished by Lily Orchard, before Lily transitioned.
• Lio was bitchy from the start of the call.
• Britt brought up the Allcorative porn username.
• Lio tells her to go to police. Britt says she is working on it.
• It's made clear that Britt wants him to make an expose video not work with law enforcement.
• Lio says the pedo stuff wasn't worth going after, because it was fictional
• Lio got triggered, because he covers cartoons like Lily.
• Lio brings up getting molested by his grandfather. Apparently this is habit.
• Lio says he could make a video, but he won't because there are others.
• Beckett the flashing incident completely wrong. A 17 year old asked Lily why a stream was NSFW, Lily told them to click and find out. The kid did and she flashed her stream. He claims it was Lily just having a poorly moderated NSFW section in her discord.
• Beckett argues that it's not pedophilic to wait until someone is 18 to date them
• Lio comforted Britt not to feel guilty about not blocking Lily back in 2022. The exact thing he is condemning her for now
• Beckett points out that the public logs Malcom reads were cut, which is fair. However, Britt provided a full version of the logs to Lio
• Beckett is trying to assassinate Britt's character, because she told a story about finding a girl hot until she found out that the girl was 15. Britt was in her early 20s at the time.
• Beckett admits he didn't read all the logs before hoping on stream
• Lio points out that Britt has a bias in call, which was fair.
• Beckett admits he didn't try to contact Britt before this, and relied on Lio.
• Beckett spends the entire time complaining that Britt didn't mention Ginger, the 17 year old that Lily encouraged to draw NSFW art of Lily. When Britt does mention Ginger in the call, they argue that Britt didn't push hard enough.
• Beckett backtracks character assassinating Britt. He mentions getting critical dms during the stream.
• Beckett and his guest thought the call was public the entire time. They half assed this from start to finish.
• Becket keeps emphasizing that Lio said to go to the police, and that the police wouldn't have a case. This is meant to make Lio look good. However, it was made clear at the start of the call Britt was trying to contact the police herself, and wanted Lio to do an expose.
• Beckett didn't know the call was recorded without Britt's consent, and that Lio was the one that dug the call up.
• A random woman calls in, and tells Beckett that Lio isn't being honest about everything he was given. Beckett stands his ground.
• Beckett mentions a conversation with Lio. Apparently Lio told Beckett, Sai should have done a video on Lily
• One of Lio Convoy discord kittens shows up in chat to white knight him, and call Britt a liar.
• Beckett admits to half assing this, but offers to reach out to Britt and investigate more.
• Beckett sweeps for the mole incident in Sai's server.
• Beckett shows a group chat Lio claims proves he wasn't sent more information. It's unclear if there are other chats or dms where this was discussed.
• Beckett hands it to other streamers to discuss. Also, he said if people don't want him to go into researcher mode, people need to shut up about. It will interesting to see what receipts the other side will pull up, if any.
• The rest of the call was law statue sperging.
• Beckett spies on Sai's discord on stream TOTAL RETARD WAR CONTINUES
• Beckett, I don't call them the Lily Orchard a-logs to be facetious. I've seen these people go through hundreds and hundreds of tumblr posts just to prove Lily wrong on one little point. I've seen them create fake gay opp tumblr accounts just to get Lily to answer one ask. They aren't going to let this go now that you've thrown the gantlet down. You've trapped us in a never ending sperg cycle. I just hope you lot at least make the TOTAL RETARD WAR more entertaining going forward.

You are a unit for watching through this shit, this drama is getting stupid convoluted and stupid unpleasant. All the people involved are retarded. Not to mention, my virgin ears are used to Lily's voice, but Lio's voice is a unique blend of annoying.

I'm not even mad Lio never made a video on Lily, it wouldn't have done shit, he's a fat failure, but I'm more annoyed at his constant fingers in ears attitude about it. Lio knew her audience had minors in it but her writing, nor her relationships with her fans, nor the people that came forward ever motivated him to do anything about it. He's even willing to pal around with her incest victim just because they both don't like Sai.
It's even worse now that we've heard what her fans are really like in the open discussion stream, her fans are all some degree of young and autistic, she should not have access to them.

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Did she write one where there's incest? Asking for a lolcow.

While Ibdon't believe there's one specifically about incest, Ugly Love gave Miles (the male lead) flashback chapters to his high school love, Rachel... and included a baffling plot point where their parents moved in together so they became semi-step siblings. And proceeded to fuck each other on the regular. The parents weren't officially married until Rachel had already gotten knocked up but...

I also seem to remember something in November 9 alluding to quasi-implied technically-not-incest sibling fucking.

Those are the only two b9oks I've been exposed to but 2/2 bringing up incest fir no reason ain't a great average.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

I would say it's less 'misogyny' and more 'terrible writing'.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, to be fair.

Bringing this back to Liliana, I don't think she intended to make a racist charicature with Alaina's mom being one of the very few black characters she has ever done and also a slaver of white children. I don't think she considers herself racist or what she did to have any racist implications, especially in a work where she went out of her way to reinvent black people's slavery for no reason at all.

Just like she doesn't think it's codepedent and weird for adult siblings to share a bed while one of them is married. Because she's that self centered she can't fathom people ever seeing or thinking things different than how she does.

That doesn't mean that is not racist still. Or weird.

 

[Disco Snake]

To be honest, my main interest in the TOTAL RETARD WAR is how it's serving as a proxy war for Courtney BPD fueled fatwa. And how these antics are being enabled by Lio and his kittens. They are a perfect match for each other in all the worst ways.

Spoiler

She will never stop making her identity "the raped." As a result, she is never going to stop until she gets a monopoly on Lily Orchard coverage.


Even if it means pulling shit out of her ass to get there

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxC4H-fTovH2XsbsOC1BnsK6dvDbvSII6J

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

LioConvoy, Britt, Luna Call​

[Will provide local copy when site is more stable. ]

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, to be fair.

That's true, but let me elaborate:

Spoiler: Elaboration

I see why people would accuse CoHo's books of being misogynistic, but the thing is, misogyny implies a specific hatred -- or at least demeaning -- of women. I hedge on whether to consider Hoover's books strictly misogynistic as opposed to just badly written because all of her characters are just... awful. Just extremely poorly written. Like every single goddamn one of them is terribly rendered. Doesn't matter if they're male or female, they're all terrible. I could make an argument that she's misandrist, too, given that all of her men are vapid, brainless dumbasses who lose all sense of self-possession because they're too busy drooling over and orbiting their entire lives around the pretty girl. They cannot function as human being without her feminine gravitational pull.

The reason she reads as more misogynistic, as I said, is that the books are mostly told from the point of view of the woman, so we see less of the masculine interiority breakdown. But when we do see things from their point of view, it's exactly the same, just with Man Problems instead of Woman Problems. It's just as reductive and shallow.

Hoover may well be a misogynist, I don't know her personally and I don't really care. But her works read as somebody who is trying to thread the needle between being a feminist (the leads are Not Like Other Girls, they're quirky nerdy career women with their own life) but also feminine (they're sweet and caring and nurturing and forgiving and her womanhood -- in every sense of the word -- can fix him) and failing, as the vast majority of writers who do the same oftentimes do.

I've been thinking about this for personal reasons and just, broadly speaking, a lot of writers -- male and female -- write bad female characters not because they're misogynistic but because of the expectations of every prominent female characters to embody the totality of The Female Experience. If you have a woman who happens to be feminine you're a misogynist. If you have a woman who's too butch you're a misogynist. If you have a woman that's rational and emotionally guarded it's assumed she was sexually abused in the past because what kind of woman behaves like that if she isn't traumatized? There's currently a very narrow set of 'acceptable' female traits, the goalposts of which are constantly shifting.

The only way to win is not to play.

Therefore make all of your characters dudes and nobody will call you out on it. Worked for Tolkien!

(I have actual advice on this topic but I'll spare everybody an already arduous tangent.)

That said.

There is also a huge difference between somebody using shitting tropes in fiction, and somebody being a bigot on main. I can't speak for CoHo as a person, therefore I don't want to make assumptions about what comes through in her writing.

But we frequently see what Lily says on her own platforms, in her own spaces.

Her deciding that all Storm Troopers are black and that Aliana's objectively evil mom was a slave runner honestly isn't enough for me to call her racist, or even say that it's racist to makek that particular plot point. It's narrow-minded and stupid, but she's not really making a statement about black people except to force a parallel based on her extremely limited worldview. I'm not saying it's good, but I feel like accusations of racism need more malice aforethought, not just unthinking dumbassery.

But then we see Lily talk about Aliana outside of her fanfic. How she talks about how Aliana is the most beautiful character she's ever made. How sexy she finds black people. How she lingers on how hot and bothered it makes Rey to see her dark skin shining in the glow of her lightsaber. How she changed her hairstyle from an afro to box braids because the latter was more attuned to her 'culture' (her space culture, in space).

How a third party had to inform her that not all black people come from Africa, and that there are multiple countries within Africa.

How she wants Aliana to be held up as a paragon of capital-b Black representation, and how she uses her being dark-skinned as a shield against criticism. How she twisted herself in knots to appeal to people who asked about her hair texture and style so she could be 'more black', proving that Lily didn't make Aliana because she wanted a cool character who happened to be black, in an environment where race is otherwise utterly irrelevant. She wanted a Black Character, who was Black, who could represent The Blacks.

We know Lily is a misogynist not because of how she treats her fictional characters -- she puts women on a pedestal, when they aren't being actively fetishized -- but because of how she treats actual women.

We know she's racist because of how she talks about white people, Asians, and Jews who don't vigorously agree with her.

We know she's a hateful bigot because she regularly talks about either killing people she doesn't like, or telling them to KYS in increasingly unimaginative ways.

A poorly-conceived backstory in a Star Wars fanfiction isn't what reveals Lily to be a racist, sexist twat. It's what Lily just straight-up says.

 

[Frank Greene32]

Let me see if I’m getting this right. Lio Convoy is a thundercats obsessed furry weirdo…. Whose main shtick is the fact they review thundercats, figures, and labels himself as a “Predator Hunter”.

Sai makes fun of him cause he’s a discord mod weirdo who has groomed kittens himself and his tactics do more harm than good.

Lio gets butt hurt and sticks his white knights and kittens on Sai.

When it comes to Lily… Britt warned him and showed him actual logs (the ones she always provided without fail) but said “what does this prove, this proves nothing’. And he’s afraid(?) to cover her for… reasons?

Courtney for some reason(?) think Lio is doing something(?) and sides with him over Sai (despite Sai, ant, and crim giving her the benefit of the doubt and gave her plenty of chances to get let her side be heard)

This escalated to this slap fight we are seeing now…. Am I getting this right? @ÁchtunaRoll and anyone else can help fill in or correct info I might’ve gotten wrong or has deeper context.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

How a third party had to inform her that not all black people come from Africa, and that there are multiple countries within Africa.

Hold on. Lily doesn't know any of Africa's countries? Not even Kenya or Egypt?

 

[OldLionMask]

Let me see if I’m getting this right. Lio Convoy is a thundercats obsessed furry weirdo…. Whose main shtick is the fact they review thundercats, figures, and labels himself as a “Predator Hunter”.

Sai makes fun of him cause he’s a discord mod weirdo who has groomed kittens himself and his tactics do more harm than good.

Lio gets butt hurt and sticks his white knights and kittens on Sai.

When it comes to Lily… Britt warned him and showed him actual logs (the ones she always provided without fail) but said “what does this prove, this proves nothing’. And he’s afraid(?) to cover her for… reasons?

Courtney for some reason(?) think Lio is doing something(?) and sides with him over Sai (despite Sai, ant, and crim giving her the benefit of the doubt and gave her plenty of chances to get let her side be heard)

This escalated to this slap fight we are seeing now…. Am I getting this right? @ÁchtunaRoll and anyone else can help fill in or correct info I might’ve gotten wrong or has deeper context.

Lio is too much to be explained here. He's had active predators as discord mods, he befriends people who own zoo porn for trolling. He's something too insane to understand.

LioConvoy, Britt, Luna Call​

[Will provide local copy when site is more stable. ]

I got you fam.

 

[StupidFuckinShitferBrains]

For a moment I was surprised Newvegas wasn't on his list because trannies never shut te fuck up about it.

Lol you're right, trannies love New Vegas, I know personally.

Also, hi, newfag here! Been lurking for 3 whole years, reading from page 1 to current page, and what I'm about to say probably isn't new to anybody, but as a former occasional Lorch watcher (I wouldn't say fan, I didn't watch her enough to be a fan) I have to say- I knew something was up with her. From the first video I watched, back when she still had Lizzy's puppet design. Maybe while she was engaged to Lizzy, even. I subbed because I was a young tumblrina who wanted to support trans people, and then I immediately ignored all her uploads because I didn't like her voice after watching one video. Honestly, one of my old youtubes might still be subbed to her? Then the SU is Garbo video came out. Then I heard about a few of the allegations, then more, then found this thread, then went insane when the Keffals bs happened and I couldn't read the thread for a while. Now, I'm finally caught up- everything from Tara Callie and Josh and Blake and Brittany, to Opal and Patch, to Poppy and Zena, now to Lio Convoy.

And, because I know Lily reads the thread- HI! How's it feel to have yet another former watcher learn about your sins in detail? You're a fake, Jessica Yaniv, transtrender who only did it as a shield against criticism and to get dyke pussy, which didn't even work out because the only cis girls that liked you didn't like you for long after actually in person meeting you (Lizzy and Ginger) or didn't like you after you sexually harassed them and yelled at them for not wanting to play WOW all day with you (Brittany), and you married another dick haver anyways. Anyone else who likes you in a romantic/erotic sense are either sex pests like yourself or children who don't know any better. Or are autistic. Or all three sometimes. Looking at Nooblord.

Sai, Ant, and everybody else who's trying to handle Lily- stop fucking fighting each other, it solves nothing and detracts from Lily.

Courtney is fucking insane, I'll give Lily that- But Lily, you're the one who made her insane. I genuinely believe that you were sleep raping her. Or sleep molesting her. Either way, you fucked her up, and if you're both to be believed about one thing, I think it's that your parents didn't really know how to handle something like inter-familial sex abuse. Not a lot of families do, probably. Idk, I'm not a fucking cop. But- here's my theory:

Cameron was abusing Lily *and* Courtney. Probably not on the same level, but, at least in the States, showing erotica/pornography to a child is a form of child molestation, mainly because it does to a child's mind the exact same thing as if they were touched.

Cameron was probably showing Lily how to molest/rape Courtney, Cam got caught at some point, and instead of actually dealing with it, they just sent him away, not knowing that Cameron trained Jerry to "take over" for him.

Then, Jerry starts to molest/rape Courtney, until she gets a lock on her door.

I don't believe that Jerry was bad touched by a counselor or a teacher or a doctor or anything like that- we've never seen explicit proof, have we? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've not seen a single ounce of proof that Jerry was actually bad touched by an adult. Only unproven testimony from Lily and Courtney. Cameron, maybe, because kids don't just learn that stuff. But on the other hand, again correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Cameron an older teen when he was doing this to Courtney? If my memory serves right, he could have just been a fucked up teen acting out pornos on his baby sister and showing his baby brother how to do it too.

TLDR: Lily you're a predator, Bluesky is supposedly dying, Mikaila needs to divorce you, Lolo needs to stay away from you, and I hope you seethe. Also, I theorize that Cam showed Lily how to bad touch Courtney.

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Sai makes fun of him cause he’s a discord mod weirdo who has groomed kittens himself and his tactics do more harm than good.

Lio gets butt hurt and sticks his white knights and kittens on Sai.

No mistakes.

His white knights and kittens are so hell bent to find something criminal on Sai they aren't looking properly. You can make fun of Sai all you want. Things are there to do just that. But they don't want to laugh, they want to nail Sai to a wall. They won't do the work to do it, they'll use this perpetual autistic machine to do it for them.
This asshole makes fair money out of being a poo online.

I'll tell them here and when they inevitably show up in my private messages. There's nothing to find. I translated ancient web pages from Japanese into Russian and I still say there's nothing.


In Other News:

People always talk about how to make Evil more tantalizing for players in RPGs by trying to make it more nuanced and complicated, but the solution is easier than that: Make it really hard to be a good person. People would reconsider moral choices in games a lot more often if instead of some money or losing out on a couple of rewards, doing good things involved sacrificing the things players care most about, like their companions, gear or potential for romance. Like give a BG3 player these options:1. You and [Comp with highest approval] go through a dungeon painstakingly rescuing every last slave and prisoner, but the companion dies in the process.2. Don't do that, and they're irreparably pissed at you. And watch them SWEAT. If you wanted to keep your romance active, then your favourite companion would need to NOT be your highest approval companion, and that's a level of complexity most BG3 players are incapable of. Do shit like this. Be like 90's Superman: Being good sucks and you sometimes wish you weren't. Part of where a lot of attempts to make 'nuanced moral choices' fall flat is because at the end of the day, there's always the option to not engage with it, and pick whichever option benefits the faction you like more. You need to hit players where they actually care. A lot of RPG players (gamers in general) are more concerned with their treats. Their gear, their legendary items, their treasure, their romance options, their sex scenes. But they also like being good, because it feels good. Make them choose one or the other. This also reflects a simple reality of life: Evil is boring. Evil is nothing more or less than the shortest possible path between you and what you want. It's the path of least resistance. But "evil" in RPGs often completely eschews this. Good is easier and often more rewarding. When playing good gives you more serotonin, better rewards, and gets you better brownie points with the companions... why would any player ever choose evil? Make "evil" part of the sweaty minmaxing that even casual players get into, and viola! Lisa the Painful does this really well. There's points where you have to choose between sacrificing a companion, all your items, or one of Brad's arms. All of these choices are terrible because you need all of them, but MAYBE sacrificing a companion is something you can come back from.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

All of these choices are terrible because you need all of them, but MAYBE sacrificing a companion is something you can come back from.

That was a lot of words just to say that you'd sacrifice people if you thought that could benefit you more than losing an arm or item.

More than that... what do you think you are saying with this? I don't think you ever played Lisa the Painful, Liliana, if this is your take away.

For anyone who doesn't know, Lisa the Painful is a game that is constantly punishing you no matter what you do. You can be robbed while resting. Companions can decide to leave you just because. It's all randomized and it's left by chance because that is the point. This game never wants you to actually feel safe, because none of the characters ever are. The only actual choice is whether you succumb to addiction to a drug that makes things easier or not. That is it. Otherwise, you can play the game however you want. Evil and good are both inconsenquential concepts, there is only survival mode at all times. You don't get compensated for being "evil", whatever definition may you have, any more than you do for being "good".

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

In Other News:

"Why would any player ever choose evil?"
-The World's Biggest Sith Apologist

For someone a lot of people would unironically call evil, Lily doesn't understand what it means to be evil at all.

Evil isn't just an easier path. It's a mentality that drives someone to do terrible things without thinking about how it would affect anyone else. At best, they wouldn't care if innocent people suffered because of them. At worst, they would relish in how much people suffer because of them. Part of the reason why people enjoy video games that let them be evil is because it allows them to do things that they'd never do in real life. It's easy to kill someone in a video game, but not in real life.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

Liliana really is just telling on herself. "Evil is the easiest path, the one with the least resistance to the thing you want"... for you, Liliana. That's you.

Most people would hesitate to sacrifice others even if it's on their own benefit, even if they're lazy and hate putting effort into anything, because doing evil, generally speaking, does not feel good. Some people have moral qualms about doing evil things because they don't want to hurt other people. Because hurting people feels bad, almost as being hurt yourself. Some people have empathy, compassion, are not innately violent at their core looking for the next target worthy of their rage.

Liliana is really only talking about how she doesn't feel bad for any harm she does to anyone, as long it gets her what she wants, and assuming everyone is the same. They're not.

The most interesting villains characters are precisely those that do the evil actions and are tormented by them. It shows that there is enough of a moral compass on them to realize what they are doing, but they can't stop themselves, either because of external or internal motivators. That's what is called a compelling narrative.

 

[Disco Snake]

Last dispatch on this drama until some more bloodsports happen. Apparently a disgusting tranny catfishing a lesbian is just being a shitty friend

Spoiler

They're unironically using the same arguments that Lily has been using against Britt for years. They're too retarded to come up with their own talking points.

Anyway, here is an explanation about the 18 year old Courtney keeps talking about. She has been using this story as a shield for month. The logic being that by criticizing Courtney, and not doing exactly what she wants, other victims will be intimated. Or in other words, Courtney Peet is the most special, most important victim ever, and not bowing to her every demand hurts every victim everywhere.

Spoiler

It's most likely one of KP's mods that used to go by Skink/Stimk, but now goes by stonk aka bluetailedskink on discord. I have not been able to verify any of her claims against Lily. However, I haven't been able to disprove any of them either with one caveat. The timeline doesn't make sense.

Courtney mentioned this story in Sai's server back August of 2024.





She would also claim that the 18 year old in question just recently cut Lily off.



The claim is as follows. Lily Orchard skyped with an 11 year old 7 years ago, now 8 years ago. This story is suspicious on it's face for a couple of reasons.

• Lily, and most people, were migrating to Discord during 2017-2018
• The accuser claims they have screenshots, but they aren't comfortable sharing them, or going to the police. It doesn't make sense they would go to a youtuber if this were the case.
• To my knowledge, the only person in Lily circle that matches this description is Rose/Wolfe/ Lupina, who is on good terms with Lily.
• Courtney, and frankly the Lily Orchard alogs in general, are extremely credulous about anything that involves Lily. You would not believe some of the claims they take as fact based on anon asks. See example below. I think it's safe to assume that Courtney did no vetting of this person.

This brings us to Skink. Skink is a member of Courtney's private discord. They deleted messages with the full accusation against Lily. However, the content of other messages points to it being them.

Note: Skink claims to be 20 years old, but I don't think it's unreasonable they would lie about their age on their discord account. It would be the smart move, if they're trying to maintain some anonymity. Of course there is also the possibility these are two separate accusations. There are some screenshots that point to Skink being older than 20 too. However, I think Courtney would mention both accusations if this were the case. She wouldn't just be fixated on the 18 year old one.

• In the screenshots above, Skink claims that Lily told her stories about Fetlife. This allegedly happened after the breakup with Lizzy. I could not find any verification of this on FetLife. None of Lily's usernames show up on searches, and she wasn't exactly good at opsec in this era.
• They claim that Lily vented to them about being suicidal and called herself Skink's sister. The context when these messages happen matters. This was directly after Lily found the screenshots of a 17 year old calling Courtney mom and talking her down from suicide. How convenient that Skink just happens to have stories to match right when Courtney is addressing them.
• The detail about "being kept out of Lily's servers" could be a reference to being on skype.

Is Skink telling the truth? There is no way to know for sure. Personally, I doubt it. But at the end of the day, Discord/Skype is/was the wild west. We can never know for sure what Lily gets up to all the time.

Spoiler: Bonus

Courtney streamed today. She has lost more weight. Given her boyfriend was BBQ , it's not for a lack of food.

Maybe instead of feeding her clips from Sai's old streams, Lio's discord kittens should encourage Courtney to get help

Or keep enabling her. That option is more entertaining for us to watch anyway.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

People always talk about how to make Evil more tantalizing for players in RPGs by trying to make it more nuanced and complicated, but the solution is easier than that: Make it really hard to be a good person. People would reconsider moral choices in games a lot more often if instead of some money or losing out on a couple of rewards, doing good things involved sacrificing the things players care most about, like their companions, gear or potential for romance.

Once again, minimum credit to Lily for at least thinking of an interesting discussion point, even if it's one that's arguably been raging in the RPG sphere for decades at this point. Going to spoil stuff because this ended up getting into wall of text video game sperging.

Spoiler: Did you even play Baldurs Gate

Okay, on paper, Lily is sort of right, but what he completely misses the point. The idea is that, doing good things *does* involve sacrifice. Or at least, it should. Losing out on rewards is supposed to be you sacrificing things to do the right thing. And...this sort of exists in some games, but the issue is, and again minor credit to Lily because I think he was trying to point this out, is that the stuff you lose typically isn't all that great.

I'm actually surprised Lily didn't mention his favorite RPG series ever, Baldurs Gate, which does this at the end of base BG2 in the hells trials. It's almost like Lily hasn't actually played the game all the way to the end because there's no romance content at that point. Anywho, the basic premise for one of the trials is your companion is taken and you have two paths. One route causes damage to your companion and eventually kills them. The other route causes you to permanently lose stat points. All the trials have good/evil options, but I think this one is the most obvious/the one that involves the most actual loss. IIRC, the evil rewards when you complete the trials are also better than the good rewards, but I can't remember the specifics to provide examples.

There's a few other examples in BG2. In order to get one of the best warhammers in the game that makes your strength 25 (which is an absurdly huge bonus that you can't really reach through other means) you have to perform evil acts. There isn't even a good alternative reward beyond simply not doing the evil things.

Spoiler: Good vs. evil choice making

Moving on

Like give a BG3 player these options:1. You and [Comp with highest approval] go through a dungeon painstakingly rescuing every last slave and prisoner, but the companion dies in the process.2. Don't do that, and they're irreparably pissed at you.

Again, some credit, I don't hate this idea, but it's not an example a good/evil choice. It's an example of a no win situation. It's arguably telling about how Lily views morality as well, not about what's actually right/wrong, but what's convenient/inconvenient for him. Or that pissing someone off is an evil act? But yeah, I'd argue both choices are good. Obviously, saving slaves and prisoners is good, but not sacrificing your friend is also a good act.

A better example would be something like you get to the end of the dungeon, find the boss who has the key to free everyone. The boss says they need to sacrifice these people to gain power and return to their home world. They won't be a thorn in your side if the ritual is complete, they won't even be on the same planet. If you let them go through the ritual, they'll share some of the power with you and you'll get a +X bonus to your main stat and gain a powerful ability that is unavailable anywhere else in the game. But your companion will hate you and possibly even leave the party. What do you value more, power, or your relationship with your companion?

Although even this is kinda flawed because the argument is usually about more nuanced evil options and this is obviously pretty on the nose in terms of morality. When I see the argument, the complaint is usually more about wishing moral options didn't just boil down to stuff like "kill these people just because" or "don't be a psychopath". Sticking with the BG theme, for a long time, the evil ending was basically just "enslave everyone, including your friends and be an evil overlord" while the good ending had a lot more variation. People were upset because they wanted to rule with their friends, having them be their loyal generals.

There's also a villain who, through various insight checks and other means, you're told really does want to share power with you. He wants to rule the city, not to make it a dark dystopian world or anything, but because he wants to make the city better and believes it needs order. He used manipulation and underhanded methods to achieve that order, but he doesn't want to cause unnecessary death or suffering and really wants to make things better. The game gives you a choice to side with him...but if you do, he just gets plot killed. I think that's the kind of evil path players want, something where they use manipulation and blackmail to make selfish decisions. Heck, sometimes not even selfish decisions just...morally questionable ones.

Again, to stick with Bioware examples, Dragon Age 2 actually reveals that if you make the "good" choice and let the rightful king become ruler of dwarf city, it ends up being pretty lackluster and things continue as normal, with progress being held back because of politics (or something along those lines, it's been a long time since I played) but if you support the "bad" route and let the ambitious newcomer who was willing to kill the next in line king, it ultimately ends up being better for the dwarves because he's a ruler that doesn't let himself be limited by politics. That's the kind of nuance players want, where sometimes to get the best result, you have to do something that's morally questionable, but a lot of games boil present choices that aren't questionable and instead just "be psycho, or don't be psycho".