DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell: General Discussion #2

[A Guy™]

Like I've said many times before, people need to gaslight him into doing inputs on screen.

This is an older example but DSP still has the exact same wrong opinions about input display. He thinks the games just make shit up regarding user inputs online because he's stupid. He's said this multiple times since SF6 released, especially regarding rollback netcode which, depending on the situation is either dropping inputs or creating phantom inputs which in either case is not how it works in the slightest. There is nothing you can do to prove DSP wrong because DSP is always right. Even if he has to invent entirely new realities, he will always win and you will always be a stupid toxic troll more ron, get it?

 

[Kheapathic]

Does he pretend to be a pro or something? That's asinine lol

Don't want to ask if you're new here, as I'm pretty sure I've seen you before, pre-yiffed. But DSP's claim to fame is back in 2005, he got 4th place in Street Fighter 2 Turb (a now 30+ year old game). It wasn't even a CPS2 board game either, it was the PS1 version, which means it wasn't arcade perfect. So he tries to hold himself up as some sort of big name, when his best placement was 4th place in a weaker version of a game, and only did it once, in 2005. I maintain that he was at best, a low to mid level gatekeeper; he was good enough to be a named NPC or a grenade (grenade being someone who can take out top people in a shock to everyone, but skill level is unreliable), but would be stepped over by people who took it more serious. He uses that, as well as him never playing anything offline in over a decade as some sort of knowledgeable player. It's one of the reasons he makes that excuse that people are playing wrong and abusing shit; he doesn't want to admit he's a fucking scrub, he's playing the game correctly, he loses to people who don't.

Don't try to compare him to others who still play though; he'll talk himself up as someone who moved on while others stayed. He doesn't want to admit that most people who still play also have degrees, jobs, and God forbid, a number of them even have children. He's one of the worst fucking losers in the world, and not a loser as in he's an oxygen thief; but loser as he'll make contradicting excuses for himself and not others.

 

[Vic Viper T301]

@SSj_Ness (Yiffed) If you want to see some more DSP fighting game stuff I recommend this video. It's Phil getting beaten by a guy who plays Sean in 3rd Strike many times over the course of a couple years and he gets progressively more salty about it.

 

[shekelshoah666]

Don't want to ask if you're new here, as I'm pretty sure I've seen you before, pre-yiffed. But DSP's claim to fame is back in 2005, he got 4th place in Street Fighter 2 Turb (a now 30+ year old game). It wasn't even a CPS2 board game either, it was the PS1 version, which means it wasn't arcade perfect. So he tries to hold himself up as some sort of big name, when his best placement was 4th place in a weaker version of a game, and only did it once, in 2005. I maintain that he was at best, a low to mid level gatekeeper; he was good enough to be a named NPC or a grenade (grenade being someone who can take out top people in a shock to everyone, but skill level is unreliable), but would be stepped over by people who took it more serious. He uses that, as well as him never playing anything offline in over a decade as some sort of knowledgeable player. It's one of the reasons he makes that excuse that people are playing wrong and abusing shit; he doesn't want to admit he's a fucking scrub, he's playing the game correctly, he loses to people who don't.

Don't try to compare him to others who still play though; he'll talk himself up as someone who moved on while others stayed. He doesn't want to admit that most people who still play also have degrees, jobs, and God forbid, a number of them even have children. He's one of the worst fucking losers in the world, and not a loser as in he's an oxygen thief; but loser as he'll make contradicting excuses for himself and not others.

100% also never forget that DSP yearns for the era of arcades pre high speed internet being common where he could dunk on literal kids in MvC2 with tech no one knew and purposely wouldn't share.

There are rants from him talking about just fucking stomping actual kids in the arcade who had no idea how to play and he sounds happy as a clam. He wants to be the big fish in a small pond again so fucking badly.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

He acts like Mario Kart World is a competitive racing game and that it's bullshit that skill doesn't matter because of items (the skill gap in that game is fucking gigantic between DSP and an actual good player)

Also if DSP wanted to play real players with better connections he would go to Fightcade the cope about his IP being able to be leaked is dumb anyone can fucking find his IP who plays him in the current collections if they really wanted to or he could just use a VPN.

He does not want to play actual good players just beat up on shitters while crying about rollback netcode or his 3rd joystick in 2 years breaking (not actually broken he just can't do inputs)

Casual ass Mario Kart World? Competitive? Lmao.

Don't want to ask if you're new here, as I'm pretty sure I've seen you before, pre-yiffed. But DSP's claim to fame is back in 2005, he got 4th place in Street Fighter 2 Turb (a now 30+ year old game). It wasn't even a CPS2 board game either, it was the PS1 version, which means it wasn't arcade perfect. So he tries to hold himself up as some sort of big name, when his best placement was 4th place in a weaker version of a game, and only did it once, in 2005. I maintain that he was at best, a low to mid level gatekeeper; he was good enough to be a named NPC or a grenade (grenade being someone who can take out top people in a shock to everyone, but skill level is unreliable), but would be stepped over by people who took it more serious. He uses that, as well as him never playing anything offline in over a decade as some sort of knowledgeable player. It's one of the reasons he makes that excuse that people are playing wrong and abusing shit; he doesn't want to admit he's a fucking scrub, he's playing the game correctly, he loses to people who don't.

Don't try to compare him to others who still play though; he'll talk himself up as someone who moved on while others stayed. He doesn't want to admit that most people who still play also have degrees, jobs, and God forbid, a number of them even have children. He's one of the worst fucking losers in the world, and not a loser as in he's an oxygen thief; but loser as he'll make contradicting excuses for himself and not others.

I'm not new but I don't follow lolcows. 4th place once isn't exactly something to brag about. Kinda weird they used PS1 but I imagine it was still fairly accurate, even SNES wasn't that far off. Let me guess, he's a srk spamming Ken scrub? That can get you surprisingly far.

 

[Kheapathic]

This is an older example but DSP still has the exact same wrong opinions about input display. He thinks the games just make shit up regarding user inputs online because he's stupid. He's said this multiple times since SF6 released, especially regarding rollback netcode which, depending on the situation is either dropping inputs or creating phantom inputs which in either case is not how it works in the slightest. There is nothing you can do to prove DSP wrong because DSP is always right. Even if he has to invent entirely new realities, he will always win and you will always be a stupid toxic troll more ron, get it?

I don't want to say he's right, now before you get the pitchforks out, me saying he's not wrong comes with a heavy fucking exception/context. While Phil isn't wrong... he fails to understand basic Internet/Networking and why the netcode "inputting commands" is a good thing and not a bad thing. I'll also explain why he contradicts himself, but allow me to get this out of the way.

I'm gonna try to do this in a very quick Networking 101 case
So when it comes to computers talking to each other, there are two main protocols computers use; there is TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) and UDP (User Datagram Protocol). TCP is what a lot of The Internet uses for most things, as it's slower, but more reliable. Computers perform what's called a three-way handshake, confirm everything, and then whatever you're sending/downloading is sent. This is how email is sent, this is how file transfers happen, anything where integrity of the data is needed, this is what computers use. UDP on the other hand, forgoes the handshake and confirming the sending/receipt of data to do shit as fast as possible. It sacrifices reliability and data integrity for speed; and this is what online gaming uses as doing all those cool combos, 1-pixel headshots, and other shit, as you need speed to be fast and for best reaction possibilities.

Now why this is important, is that rollback netcode does its best to monitor the data as it flows, and if it detects a loss or dropped data packet, it checks what that player was doing the last time it had a packet, and fills whatever the player was doing in those blank spots it missed. So if you find yourself holding back and for some reason your connect drops some packets, the game will keep you holding back and ideally blocking during those dropped packets. This is why you get phantom KOs. The game has a "this is gonna hit," but then the netcode steps in and says "hold that" and stops the KO; despite the game still playing the KO announcement. It's not perfect, but it's a safety mechanism that most people prefer for hopefully well explained enough reasons.

Now where does Phil contradict himself; there's been rants where he cites he'd prefer slowdown over rollback. But when you listen to him bitch, what does he complain about; commands not coming out and lag. Guess what those are called regardless of what netcode you use; data loss, packet drop, etc etc. He doesn't hate Rollback because it's worse, he doesn't hate Rollback because he prefers slowdown/lag, he hates Rollback because a hundred years ago, the Cannon Brothers told him to eat a bag a dicks on SRK, and he's a bitch made nigga with alcohol burns in his brain.

 

[Cardinal Cardinal]

it checks what that player was doing the last time it had a packet, and fills whatever the player was doing in those blank spots it missed.

From what I understand even if the "netcode" temporarily fills in an Input, it still checks what the actual command was and will "roll back" to correct the discrepancy. Even if it somehow inputed the sequence for deadly rave it would correct itself to what actually happened.
Like when the game says "ko" on a parry or just defend when a player has low health. It assumes the player died due to chip damage or just eating the attack since they spent the last second standing still and corrects itself since the player did mitigate the damage loss.
Point being it doesn't matter what he thinks the netcode is filling in for the player.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

I'm not new but I don't follow lolcows. 4th place once isn't exactly something to brag about. Kinda weird they used PS1 but I imagine it was still fairly accurate, even SNES wasn't that far off. Let me guess, he's a srk spamming Ken scrub? That can get you surprisingly far.

Not quite, see this version of the game as someone mentioned was fucked up in it's timing cause of shit optimization on sony hardware meaning charge characters were broken AND there were versions of characters you could play in super turbo that weren't originally available if I remember he was playing either Bison or Vega using their CPU versions as boss characters from an earlier iteration of the game, he's always been a charge using cookie cutter bitch from the get go.

 

[shekelshoah666]

Not quite, see this version of the game as someone mentioned was fucked up in it's timing cause of shit optimization on sony hardware meaning charge characters were broken AND there were versions of characters you could play in super turbo that weren't originally available if I remember he was playing either Bison or Vega using their CPU versions as boss characters from an earlier iteration of the game, he's always been a charge using cookie cutter bitch from the get go.

Ya Vega was fucking broken as shit in the game and DSP was one of the few USA players who knew/practiced it. There was MvC2 as the focus for USA players and 3rd Strike for the Japs and plenty of other games that people had to focus on so practicing a fucked version of a game where your characters may not even work didn't make much sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-EBN1tQW1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTeXT3STEE

You can see his matches vs Tokido here.

 

[Synechdoche]

frankly, I only use dsp's "skill in videogames'" to make fun of him, cause I know it makes him sperg.
for all I care, he could be the best street fighter player of all times, I'd still make fun of him (I'm just a MAH-RAHN that way)

Besides that, a-logging his fighting game skills is at times funny, when he tards out extra hard.
To me, the best is, when he plays any other game and clearly doesn't get it. Mario Kart is a good example, where he just doesn't see that it's just a party game.

Metal Gear Solid is the most infamous example of him just not getting it. Dark Souls was similar, when he first played it (I believe he ragequit before he got to blighttown)
More recently Tears of the kingdom was pretty good, where he raged, that the game is way too hard for children and tried to make fun of people who build stuff in the game and have fun with it, instead of just quickly finishing it.

It's just amusing to me, when his low IQ is on display, he's aware of it and then desperately tries to come up with excuses.

But for years now, he looks up guides/gets handheld by chat/is told by mods/dents what to do.
So the magical gameplay moments are few and far between.

 

[woc_krava]

@SSj_Ness (Yiffed) If you want to see some more DSP fighting game stuff I recommend this video. It's Phil getting beaten by a guy who plays Sean in 3rd Strike many times over the course of a couple years and he gets progressively more salty about it.

I imagine that DSP's good ending is going to AA or Gambler's Anonymous, making amends to everybody and in some step, not sure which one, going to Gojitenks, admitting that he's the better player and streaming coaching sessions where Gojitenks explains fighting games to him.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

I just saw his video of him threatening to sue detractors, I won't be laughing if it was someone like Lily Orchard or Sinder but in the mouth of DSP it sounds absolutely funny especially we know he either won't do anything or will screw up so badly that he loses money instead.

Now why this is important, is that rollback netcode does its best to monitor the data as it flows, and if it detects a loss or dropped data packet, it checks what that player was doing the last time it had a packet, and fills whatever the player was doing in those blank spots it missed. So if you find yourself holding back and for some reason your connect drops some packets, the game will keep you holding back and ideally blocking during those dropped packets. This is why you get phantom KOs. The game has a "this is gonna hit," but then the netcode steps in and says "hold that" and stops the KO; despite the game still playing the KO announcement. It's not perfect, but it's a safety mechanism that most people prefer for hopefully well explained enough reasons.

DSP's rollback netcode rants are one of the most delusional and incomprehensible things coming out from his mouth ever. Even if I understand the "you didn't actually defeat me the lag did" meltdowns (read: he isn't supposed to defeat me, I am winning, and then the game dropped my move) I never understood the point of his rollback netcode enabling people who mash buttons out without practicing inputs.

 

[QwahlityKahntent]

$90 on his second stream back after a week away.

Gyet Fyucked, Dave!!

PS @neger psykolog I’ll do $60 tomorrow in Kick subs on the day stream if you’ll do $50 in superchats.

Don’t let him fool you into thinking $90 is bad. Remember when his stream goals were only $50 per stream?

 

[Fapcop]

Don’t let him fool you into thinking $90 is bad. Remember when his stream goals were only $50 per stream?

I’m just looking forward to the day when Phil starts humiliating himself by showing feet pics for 50$ and pretends it’s totally not weird and degenerate.

“You guys want to see my feet? ACK ACK ACK, that is so funny and random tuh-heh-heh!”

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Besides that, a-logging his fighting game skills is at times funny, when he tards out extra hard.
To me, the best is, when he plays any other game and clearly doesn't get it. Mario Kart is a good example, where he just doesn't see that it's just a party game.

There are so many to choose from. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but I think my favorite example is when Phil was playing a Kirby game and unironically compared it to Dark Souls.

 

[JohnRedcorn]

Also if DSP wanted to play real players with better connections he would go to Fightcade the cope about his IP being able to be leaked is dumb anyone can fucking find his IP who plays him in the current collections if they really wanted to or he could just use a VPN.

It’s actually insane how scared he is of the fightcade boogeyman. Super turbo and 3S are two of the most populated games on there and they recently added ranked play for mvc2 and you can see everyone’s ping before you play.

But he would still rather sit on the shitty capcom collections complaining there’s no “comp” while praying to find a bot to beat up on.

Honestly though seeing how much he struggles with basic ass mods on a game like Minecraft I wouldn’t be surprised if he has no idea how to download the roms and actually get fightcade working.

His dumbass probably thought you just download fightcade and that’s it all the games would be ready to go.

 

[TheGreatWhiteNorth]

There are so many to choose from. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but I think my favorite example is when Phil was playing a Kirby game and unironically compared it to Dark Souls.

To add even more to that, this is the same game where Phil hid a tip from Gamecucker from a previous play session that he donated, saying that it was to go to that session. When called out about it, Phil LiMBed the people like nothing happened.

https://youtu.be/-rpU_Fslsmw?feature=shared&t=405

 

[Ted's Cabin]

There are rants from him talking about just fucking stomping actual kids in the arcade who had no idea how to play and he sounds happy as a clam. He wants to be the big fish in a small pond again so fucking badly.

This reminds me of a sped I knew back in college. One of his hobbies was going around challenging people to an old version of mortal kombat on his laptop. I accepted his offer once, and he gave me a shitty controller, and beat me before I figured out the controls. He then bragged about his running tally of winning 99 games in a row. Afterwards he told me about his ability to crush a man's head with the strength of his thighs. I also saw him wearing a naruto headband between classes a few times. There's no point to this story either, I just figured anyone interested in DSP would enjoy a few stories about this guy.

 

[FamicomGorby]

I'm not new but I don't follow lolcows. 4th place once isn't exactly something to brag about. Kinda weird they used PS1 but I imagine it was still fairly accurate, even SNES wasn't that far off. Let me guess, he's a srk spamming Ken scrub? That can get you surprisingly far.

It was probably just easier for them to get I'd assume. There are some arcade games where the console versions are pretty much the exact same. Like Tekken, where the original arcade version actually is running on what is basically PSX hardware. Became pretty common in the late 90's/early 2000's to cut down on arcade development costs to just use modified console hardware, like how the Sega ST-V arcade motherboard is basically a Sega Saturn. With that one, often the only difference between the arcade and home versions is the music since the ST-V utilized cartridges so it couldn't stream music from a CD like the Saturn could.

Casual ass Mario Kart World? Competitive? Lmao.

Mario Kart actually can be competitive, but the level of skill a player needs to negate the RNG items is kinda insane. Like there's way to dodge the blue koopa shells, the game's ultimate "fuck you for winning" item that whoever's in last place will get to compensate for them being crap. However, it involves basically frame perfect boosting to actually pull off that only someone who's played the game a ton could do.

 

[Dr Pavel I'm CIA]

But for years now, he looks up guides/gets handheld by chat/is told by mods/dents what to do.

He needed a guide for Fallout 4 of all games.... One of the most linear Fallout title, where the only difficulty is the early game combat cause you struggle for ammos.

I can get requiring a guide for an obscure japanese only rpg or a game with so many endings you need to follow an exact path... But an openworld ?

WWE Champions is really rotting his brain with his 98% victory rate.