Argue with a group of retards with too much time on their hands over whether masturbation to porn disqualifies you from having political opinions

[slungus22]

This would be a fine point to make if the man you're guntguarding didn't take up multiple posts claiming that he would rather do 'everything' himself than 'curry favor'. People said the same thing and gave the same reasons, which were summarily rebuked by card. gofundme doesn't have to be a grift for it not to be doing everything by himself.

yeah, he would rather do everything himself, that doesn't mean he literally does or can yet

wanting self-suffciency doesn't mean you're instantly a hermit with no digital footprint card pushing back on excuses people make for being dependent isnt the same as pretending he's fully off-grid. using tools while criticizing dependency isn't hypocrisy, its just life

 

[Polentic]

@slungus22 you and I both love FallenChungus' thread. If Francis went into politics RIGHT NOW. Would you dismiss him as retarded and a farttard? Or would you genuinely listen to his arguments and analyze the complexities and nuances that went into his political or geopolitical views?

I'm assuming it's the first one.

 

[slungus22]

@slungus22 you and I both love FallenChungus' thread. If Francis went into politics RIGHT NOW. Would you dismiss him as retarded and a farttard? Or would you genuinely listen to his arguments and analyze the complexities and nuances that went into his political or geopolitical views?

I'm assuming it's the first one.

depends on what his politics are

 

[Mutley]

setting up a gofundme to make "make ends meet" doesn't automatically mean he's grifting. he was upfront that the gofundme was a joke and never claimed youtube bankrupted him, unlike ian danskin [1] [2]

And somehow, making a GoFundMe under the pretense that you live under the medium income level and need money to help you move, yet then saying 'ha ha it was all a big joke guys'' while keeping it running is somehow ok?

I dont know where he said it was a joke, so maybe there is more context. I have only seen him mention he needed it to help him move to somewhere better with more prospects.

Another instance of his hypocrisy is that if you look at his GoFundMe he clearly states "I never spend on any 'luxury' items". I'm sorry but that 14k worth of games on steam i would class as a luxury if I was in his position.

Also the fact he private'd his Steam account not long after it was brought up on the farms, doesn't help his case any.

 

[slungus22]

And somehow, making a GoFundMe under the pretense that you live under the medium income level and need money to help you move, yet then saying 'ha ha it was all a big joke guys'' while keeping it running is somehow ok?

I dont know where he said it was a joke, so maybe there is more context. I have only seen him mention he needed it to help him move to somewhere better with more prospects.

Another instance of his hypocricy is that if you look at his GoFundMe he clearly states "I never spend on any 'luxury' items". Im sorry but that 14k worth of games on steam i would class as a luxury if you are in his position.

he literally explained upfront that the gofundme was a riff on ian danskin's. he even talked about danskin's campaign in the original video to mock it that’s the joke. you can say it's in poor taste or whatever, but it wasn’t deceptive, watch the videos i linked.

people buy games over years. steam catalogs aren't all bought at once. having a library doesn't mean he's sitting there buying $60 games every week while begging for rent

 

[Paul-Denton]

I dont know where he said it was a joke

some big breadtuber who hadn't put out videos in half a year came back with a gibs request through a gofundme. was in the drama mill for a bit and I think josh covered it. Didn't promise new content, said he had taxes he never paid and got an insane amt of support. I believe card made a video saying 'well if he can do that I want in" sort of tongue in cheek. still hypocritical in my eyes.

 

[Mutley]

he literally explained upfront that the gofundme was a riff on ian danskin's. he even talked about danskin's campaign in the original video to mock it that’s the joke. you can say it's in poor taste or whatever, but it wasn’t deceptive, watch the videos i linked.

I will have to go back and look at those videos and maybe you will change my mind.

But I would argue, that even if that is the case, then by his wording of his GoFundMe, it is still deceptive. If indeed it was created as a joke.

Its important to consider that not everyone who 'may' have contributed knows the backstory or his reasoning, or that it is a mockery of another campaign.

His GFM mentions nothing about how it was a 'Riff' or to Mock another campaign. So yes, it is dishonest and deceptive.

Is it ok for him to word his GFM the way he did knowing that uninformed people may donate to help him out, because they truly believed he was in actual need? Do you think, had those people known that it was a joke, that they would still have donated?

"Hello there.
My name is John Card.

I'm twenty-five years old. I currently work full-time, albeit for less than the national median wage, as a historical researcher remotely, having completed my master's degree in history remotely last year. I live alone in rural New South Wales, Australia, in a once-abandoned, two room, farmer's hut I restored to modest habitability myself, by hand.

In any given month. my only typical expenses are necessities: food, utilities, electricity and water rates, and the occasional home repair. I never spend on any 'luxury' items. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't gamble, paid my own way through all my tertiary education with intermittent seasonal work as I studied, and have no outstanding debts.

In my time not working, I enjoy reading widely, playing music on guitar and keyboard, sewing, drawing, papier-mache modelling, hiking, cultivating native wildflowers, writing, woodworking, tinkering with electronics, and making YouTube videos informed by my almost decade-old interest in non-hierarchical community organising and activism.

However, despite my employment and my frugal lifestyle, the cost of living and ever-worsening economic conditions generally mean that I, like many working people, am struggling to meaningfully put aside enough money to get ahead in life.
The cost of any property for a prospective first home-buyer has literally almost doubled every year the past decade in this country and vastly outstrips what any single-income person can catch up to by saving. Inflation and the cost of living rises significantly quicker than wage increases do, to the point where even the most financially responsible working person can't keep up with the market.

I am humbly requesting the financial charity of others to help facilitate me moving to a more suitable residence in a less remote part of the country, where I could find more gainful employment with my skills and qualifications. To this end, I would be immensely grateful for any donation made that I could count towards this goal.

I know there has been something of a rise recently in the amount of people who have been using platforms like GoFundMe and similar to raise funds to improve their current living situations. Some individuals and fundraising campaigns on sites like these have attracted a degree of controversy given their own successes, whether warranted or not.
But I would like to raise my hand to seek assistance now, and ask "Am I any less of a 'deserving' individual?"

Thank you for your interest, and have a lovely day."

EDIT : And yes i will agree that he says that he decided that he would put his hand up because others had, yet it doesn't mention that it is a joke or mockery of another campaign. That may have been the wrong way to word it and if so then we probably can agree on more than we realize. There is a big difference between creating a GFM as a joke or to mock another campaign versus 'well i will give it a go because others have'

 

[Mutley]

people buy games over years. steam catalogs aren't all bought at once. having a library doesn't mean he's sitting there buying $60 games every week while begging for rent

I agree with you on that, but the fact he made it private after it was disclosed on here does suggest he is trying to hide it.

I'm not sure, but from memory, he said or he suggested that he owned the place he lives in rather than rent.

 

[slungus22]

I will have to go back and look at those videos and maybe you will change my mind.

But I would argue, that even if that is the case, then by his wording of his GoFundMe, it is still deceptive.

Its important to consider that not everyone who 'may' have contributed knows the backstory or his reasoning, or that it is a mockery of another campaign.

His GFM mentions nothing about how it was a 'Riff' or to Mock another campaign. So yes, it is dishonest and deceptive.

Is it ok for him to word his GFM the way he did knowing that uninformed people may donate to help him out, because they truly believed he was in actual need? Do you think, had those people known that it was a joke, that they may not have donated?

you're either ignoring the context or you're more autistic than card himself. your hyper fixating on the wording of the gofundme page like it exists in a vacuum. the whole thing was posted during a time when every breadtuber was e-begging to cover drug debts or being broke from bad life choices. card specifically called out ian danskin for acting like capitalism personally victimized him and made a video like it mocking him, then linked that video to the gofundme. it is not subtle. if you follow his content even a little, its EXTREMELY obvious what he was doing

 

[slungus22]

I agree with you on that, but the fact he made it private after it was disclosed on here does suggest he is trying to hide it.

I'm not sure, but from memory, he said or he suggested that he owned the place he lives in rather than rent.

him making his steam private doesn't prove anything except that he didn't want a-logs digging up embarrassing reviews on nsfw games for dunks

from memory i believe he restored the place himself and lives there cheaply, not that he owns it outright. even if he did, that wouldn’t contradict anything. you can own property and still want to move somewhere better. not everything has to be a conspiracy.

 

[Mutley]

you're either ignoring the context or you're more autistic than card himself. your hyper fixating on the wording of the gofundme page like it exists in a vacuum. the whole thing was posted during a time when every breadtuber was e-begging to cover drug debts or being broke from bad life choices. card specifically called out ian danskin for acting like capitalism personally victimized him and made a video like it mocking him, then linked that video to the gofundme. it is not subtle. if you follow his content even a little, its EXTREMELY obvious what he was doing

And if he was doing it because..everyone else was, then fair game. But if it was, as you said, just a joke or to mock another campaign, then that is where i have the issue. There is a difference between the two.

I actually think he made his steam private because he didn't want anyone to see the amount he had spent on it. I don't think he is the sort of person to be embarrassed by anyone digging up his NSFW reviews.

 

[Mutley]

from memory i believe he restored the place himself and lives there cheaply, not that he owns it outright. even if he did, that wouldn’t contradict anything. you can own property and still want to move somewhere better. not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Not suggesting it was a conspiracy, more a comment that i thought he owned rather than rented. Which, given where the property is, he could could sell or rent out the place (renting may not be an option where he is, but depending how much land he has, some farmer may wish to use it and pay for the use) to help finance moving somewhere else, or maybe speak to Baldo Finance about leveraging debt..actually dont do that.

 

[slungus22]

And if he was doing it because..everyone else was, then fair game. But if it was, as you said, just a joke or to mock another campaign, then that is where i have the issue. There is a difference between the two.

It was to mock ian danskin's campaign, that was the whole joke.

I actually think he made his steam private because he didn't want anyone to see the amount he had spent on it. I don't think he is the sort of person to be embarrassed by anyone digging up his NSFW reviews.

maybe he just values his privacy and doesn't want every purchase or review looked at so he can get scrutinized by a-logs

 

[Mutley]

It was to mock ian danskin's campaign, that was the whole joke.

maybe he just values his privacy and doesn't want every purchase or review looked at so he can get scrutinized by a-logs

So he was being dishonest about it then. I'm pretty sure that if GFM discovered that his campaign was simply to mock another persons campaign (not that i am suggesting anyone should report it or doing anything of the sort), they would have second thoughts about leaving it up.

I will say it again, there is a big difference between creating a GFM because you figure 'why not try as everyone else is', versus creating one to simply mock another campaign.

I don't think he cares to much about his privacy judging by his opsec (or lack of) or what he has posted.

 

[slungus22]

So he was being dishonest about it then. I'm pretty sure that if GFM discovered that his campaign was simply to mock another persons campaign (not that i am suggesting anyone should report it or doing anything of the sort), they would have second thoughts about leaving it up.

just watch the video bro, he literally explained it in the video and title

I will say it again, there is a big difference between creating a GFM because you figure 'why not try as everyone else is', versus creating one to simply mock another campaign.

i think it was both, mocking a trend and trying it himself. being upfront about that isn't dishonest.

I don't think he cares to much about his privacy judging by his opsec (or lack of) or what he has posted.

there's a difference between being careless with opsec and being tired of a-logs combing through your reviews to discredit him and score gotchas

 

[Mutley]

just watch the video bro, he literally explained it in the video and title

TBH his videos just bore me to tears along with the scripted mechanical nature of his presentation..i just cant bring myself to watch any more of them. In saying that..he should stick to scripts because, as bad as he is at reading from scripts, it is far better than him trying to just wing it. From what i can see, he does try to script what he wants to say in his videos, but doesn't put the effort into learning his script before he makes the video.

i think it was both, mocking a trend and trying it himself. being upfront about that isn't dishonest.

If it was just to give it a go, as I said..fair enough, go for it. But that is different from creating one as a 'joke'', which is how you initially framed it.

there's a difference between being careless with opsec and being tired of a-logs combing through your reviews to discredit him and score gotchas

Given what we know about his history I don't think this concerns him much, i think he enjoys the attention and see's it as a way to drive traffic to his site and channel. Which i will give him a bit of credit for. Although I think there are better ways to do it as his internet history will catch up with him.

anyway..time for work and get out of this thread as i have been trying to avoid it.

 

[Pomniman]

Digging up old NSFW posts from an anonymous imageboard to attack someone's current political work is still a weak move, regardless of how weird you think they are.

Xir, this is a gossip site, at the end of the gay, no one really gives two shits about politics. We just want to laugh at the autistic bug-eyed freak and his gross fetishes.

 

[slungus22]

Xir, this is a gossip site, at the end of the gay, no one really gives two shits about politics. We just want to laugh at the autistic bug-eyed freak and his gross fetishes.

then people should just admit that, nothing is wrong with wanting to laugh at internet weirdos, but don't pretend you're doing serious critique or calling out hypocrisy when your just laughing at him

 

[Lowlife Adventures]

but don't pretend you're doing serious critique or calling out hypocrisy when your just laughing at him

Who is doing that? You're the one who started making this super serious and political. The "serious critique" you're talking about was made in response to you.

 

[elrond hubbard]

then why are people calling him a hypocrite or saying he's unfit to talk about politics? if it’s just jokes, why bother trying to frame his actions as dishonest or contradictory? can’t have it both ways either it's just for laughs, or you're actually trying to critique his politics. pick one.

Why are you such a stupid fuckin nigger?